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    I can really appreciate the picture and rarity of the car. Is it worth restoring, of course, How many people have gone to Viet-nam looking for the "LAWMAN" that a shipping cannister fell on and demolished, I have seen pics of that car and it was trashed. So would this be a candidate to restore and hang onto, yes. There are cars found everyday that few people know about exist until someone unveils it to the public. Look at the So-Cal speedster or the #002 Shelby R found in Mexico. These were cars that were disregarded until someone took the time to find and publisize them. People clone vehicles like this all the time because the original is gone or unobtainable. The car today is probably not the top on collectors list but will be up there as the four eyes continue to increase in popularity. The next question everyone asks will the owner sell it YES and NO It is all in how he is approached. If your knocking on his door everyday since you saw the car and begging him to sell it to you 1% of the time this works. (Based on you piss him off or he knows you've found something rare) If you tell him what the car is and how rare it is (if he doesn't know already) he might sell but its going to be nowhere near what you are going to be willing to throw for it even in a collectors eyes. If you befriend the guy show real interest but don't bug the guy constantly at some point you will be able to purachase the car for what the owner feels its worth and that usually is a reasonable price to pay and the owner doesn't feel screwed. He can never come back and say you wittled him down or robbed him of a rare car. It is the responsibility of the owner to find the sale price and worth of their car and if they come up with a number, then its their own fault if they dont sell it for enough money. It seems like every elder I know has kicked themselves for selling some rare muscle car or 57 chevy they had in high school. Last of all the guy who has taken these pictures will be the one who gets the car if he plays his cards right. There is no sense on anyone here (unless they know this guy personally to try to purchase this car. Other then other people approaching this guy about the car there are already several red flags as to why the seller wont sell. 1. You took pictures of a car you dont own but want to buy!! (makes the guy wonder if its nothing special why are you photoing it)2. The guy already has a lot of mustangs and drew your attention to it!! (has some idea about mustangs and rarity of certain ones) 3. They have had the car for fifteen years and haven't done anything with it or sold it!!(has some idea about mustangs and rarity of certain ones) 4. You have made it internet knowledge that this car has been found!! (If he decides to sell on a fresh internet search could turn up th results of this posting) I have shelbys and owned bosses and have many one off mustangs and never paid more then a grand for any of them. They have been in every form usually wrecked and or trees growing up through them. Buying them were all based on how the seller was approached. I have bought from the old farmer that says "it aint fer sale". Everything can be bought and I hope this car is because it deserves to be. Restoring a car is a personal endeavor between the owner and the car, who cares how much time or money it takes! If that is your only reason for buying the car, then your only looking for a quick buck and not the real meaning of what this car represents or in this case what it represented in history. Enough babbling, Congrats on finding the car (before me) and good luck on the purchase. I am sure if and when you get it and dont want to restore it yourself. There are enough people on here that would be up to the challenge!!
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    hey fajr, try using paragraphs... makes it easier to read


    anyways, your a little off in most of your assumptions. I showed very little interest in it other than snapping some photos of it when i picked up the car i bought off of him when no one was home.... Its not his car so bugging him will do no good and I asked him one time if his kid would sell the car and never pushed it any farther...

    i didnt post this thread or pictures so ppl can bug the guy or tell me how to get it..... i dont want the car to make $$, i wanted it to get it into the hands of someone who could restore it and put it somewhere it deserves to be and to show everyone on here that the PPG car does exist and to share an intersting story.
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    I was not trying to insult you and appologize if thats the way you felt. I was actually replying to all of the threads in one reply. Some people were saying it wasn't worth restoring, and others saying it wasn't cost effective to restore, other people appeared to be trying to buy it out from under you. It sounds like you have done some homework on trying to complete the deal thats great. I was hoping to ward off some of the people that may be looking to get it from this guy or interfere with what you have already got going.


    I dream of finding one off cars and have been lucky enough to find several, (none with historic value as this one) I always had a problem when younger to find a good deal but not able to keep it to myself. This cost me several cars that were bought out from under me. Its a cruel world and when money or fame is involved you'll be surprised who will try to take either from you. Now i wait until I have it in my possession or until I know there is no hope in getting it before I tell anyone.


    Again I apologize if you felt insulted and good luck on sealing the deal. I hope that anyone else that reads this respects the fact that you found it , shared this awesome story and does not try to buy it out from under you!! GOOD LUCK!!!
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    its cool fajr.... i couldnt even really say anything if someone did end up buying off of him since i prob wouldnt pay what he would want for it anyway... its hard to say what he would want if he did sell it and i dont know how much its worth is as bad as it is... i'd love to actually take a good luck underneath it and see if the motor still runs etc... been outside for 5 years i think . there's a lot of custom stuff that would be needed to put the car together. i just hope he either decides to come back to PA and get it or sell it to someone who can bring it back from the dead....
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    it would be up on here and the corral first for sure..... all on some if's....
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    The mere fact that this car has surfaced amongst rumor and speculation is a wonder in itself. To go and part it and ebay it would put ME in tears. And I barely know a thing about it...

    Like Skye said, there's a passion and a following for some of these foxes, let alone one of this magnitude. Hopefully someone with a big appreciation for the car and its history will get the opportunity to tackle the job at hand. The amount of work and money that would have to go into this project would be enormous but with the fox resto scene heating up as fast as it is, this car, fully restored properly and with all of its documentation, would be one of the hottest fox collector cars ever. Just think 10 MORE years down the road...
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    that would be like the ultimite fox to fix up...because there is only one..but yea it would cost a bundle to restore it. so for someone with money please get it. dont let a butcher get it...how someone could let a car like that go to hell is beyound me...
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    Put a fork in it. It's done. By the time you cut all the rust out, there won't be anything to weld to.

    If you took a donor car and moved any of the unique pieces over to it, you could have a clone. But the original is done for.

    This is the kind of car I was afraid of. The guy thinks it's worth something when it's not. He won 't sell it becuase it's "too valuable" and he won't fix it because it's too big of a project and "not worth it".

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    Im just really curious how the car "got out"...?

    I met the pace car manager of PPG back in the 90's who had stated that the cars are usually either crushed by the manufacturer or carted off to other PPG facilities. There is no doubt ( in my mind at least ) that it is the car.

    Just wondering, but the guy you bought th car from, is his name Paul, or does this guy know a guy named Paul that worked for PPG..? He was from the Pitts, PA area and has been retired for a few years now.
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    madmaxin22 if you could email me some hi res pics of this car that would be great.

    I would like to add them to the Lost and Found Four Eyes section of this site

    thanks
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    all i have is whats posted on the corral... not real good w/ cameras, just glad to be able to get them on the net.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxin22
    all i have is whats posted on the corral... not real good w/ cameras, just glad to be able to get them on the net.....
    We all definitely appreciate you sharing this find with us and posting the pictures. It is certainly one of the more exciting cars that has come to surface.
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    I believe it is a litteral "miracle" that one has been proven to have survived...

    Someone needs to save it ;but must have the passion & deep wallet (as skye mentioned) to actually follow through.

    True, most of the origional sheetmetal & half or more of the unique body work\cladding will have to be replaced. But, you can replace those things, carefully keep the car as true to origional as possible, document every step with pic's & stat's, & have a rare......nay.....Historic vehicle in your possesion.

    Remember the one of twelve GM tour buses that went for 4 million at Barrett Jackson auction earlier this year? The restorer may never live to see that kind of money for his\her efforts; but will probably have the only surviving example of an extremely limited production vehicle for life to display to all interested parties. Trust me when I say magazines, friends, car show enthusiasts, & restoration experts would be in awe of your accomplishments forever.....

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    That car is DEFINITELY worth saving. It was one of FOUR! It's quite possibly the only one left. That alone makes it worth the money to invest in it. However, anyone who sinks the kind of money into it that it needs, better be in it for the long haul. It won't be a car that you will make money on. So, you'd better restore it and then enjoy it for the next 25 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hissing Cobra
    It's quite possibly the only one left. That alone makes it worth the money to invest in it.
    It won't be a car that you will make money on.


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    Poor car is more rust than metal. Please someone save it! I could donate time and electrical know-how!
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    UPDATE: this is the only survivor of the 4 made. The other 3 were crushed as per the PPG exec that the car was bought off of way back in the 80's.....

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    It's gotta be saved!
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    This tale would make a great feature in one of the many classic car magazines that are sprouting up. It's too bad that things are looking so bleak.
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    WoW, I don't even know what to say about that. I would give my left nut to have it. Literally... Somebody has to find a way to save that car. Gregpro put up a post on stangnet about it and not one response. Interesting how different these two sites are. If there is no way this thing will be sold it would be kind of cool to see it get overhauled. Hell the guy that owns it is allready in Ca. I don't think that you could do it justice in 7 days, also don't think they would be interested in doing it, too bad. Keep after him and see if they will budge

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    i just saw the post on corral and was going to link it here. hope you get the car
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    I just figured the more word that gets out about it then the more people will become aware of it and what it actually is. I personally would love to get it but I would also like to see maybe some kind of a car museum become interested in attempting to get something like that. Who knows what will happen to it but it is exciting to me that the car even surfaced.
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    That car may not be as rusty as some of you think. I've had cars that looked serious, but turned out to be no more than what was visible. I wouldn't write it off without a thorough inspection.

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    Just from what I can see it doesn't look that bad to me. If I had a place inside to store it, and still had a job to afford it, I'd buy it in a second. This gets into that area of how much can be replaced, or heaven forbid that unscrupulous body swap, to save what is now the only remaining example of a specific vehicle combo. It reminds me of my Hertz SVO. It's a semi-repaired front end hit, with a bad roof. It's on page 3 of the SVO photo section sitting in my basement garage. You can see the roof is in primer as well as the entire front end ( hood is up ). The driver's inner front apron is "bowed" and thick bondo with rust is peeling up from the roof behind the sunroof opening. I expect to have to replace some fairly large sections of the body. On this pace car it looks like maybe some front clip / rad support work or replacement. The passenger door might be able to be re-skinned or just replaced. The door shell isn't anything special. It probably needs some floor pan / sub-frame work. There is a JY in north Georgia with several early T-top body shells. Depending on what work you could do yourself and what would need to be farmed out my guess-timate is 20 grand, maybe less. Is it worth it? I dunno... this car would be best put in a museum where the paying public could view it as a display along with maybe some other pace cars. Would it make a profit? Probably eventually but that is another one of those grey areas... Edit : There were only 12 Hertz SVOs built. Six went to Houston and 6 went to Dallas. It is guess-timated that only 6 at most are left. What are Hertz Shelbys going for nowadays versus 20 years ago? What would a PPG pace car be worth even 10 years from now?
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    that car is too significant in Fox Mustang history to be sent off to the scrap heap. plus theres only one of it left! that Mustang should be saved at all costs, even if it has to end up transferring the parts to a good shell
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