Charcoal Grey Trim Paint Code HELP

[stangboy85]

Hello everyone. Was wondering if anyone had the correct factory paint code for the Charcoal Grey Trim used on 85-86 Mustang GT's. Maybe even a paint code for PPG or Standox for the color?? My 85 GT restoration is ready for trim paint and want to get the color exact to original trim. Any suggestions would help. I have all NOS rubber body side moldings and some NOS windshield moldings that are the correct Charcoal grey. Not sure what to match color to due to the rubber molding and painted NOS trim molding that I have are slightly different in color due to the fact that one is rubber and the other is painted metal surface. Thanks guys, stangboy85

[negusm]

I have yet to get a real code for PPG for the color as it has to be mixed with a clear and a flattening (as in low sheen) agent to bring the sheen down...and I've never gotten a good confirmation on what works.

Buy SEM Charcoal bumper trim paint in a can and call it a day. Its good stuff and people swear by it. You will probably have to paint all your NOS parts to make the color match perfectly.

-Mike

[GTJerry]

Maybe this will help.

Jerry

http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showpost...6&postcount=10

[chalkysexplorer]

PPG #DDL 33717

[negusm]

Originally Posted by chalkysexplorer

PPG #DDL 33717

Yeah, but what clear do you use? Do you have the correct clear formula? If you paint it with just that formula, it comes out flat and rough doesn't it? It did on mine so I had him clear it and it is now very glossy. I plan on roughing it up and spraying some satin clear or satin paint on it to match my NOS side mouldings.

-Mike

[chalkysexplorer]

You need to use a flattening agent whic I believe is described in the paint chart when you provide that number. Jcamper over at SVOCA used the stuff on his 2A 85.

[Purebreed1]

Use the SEM stuff 39153 off the top of my head. I will confirm the number when I get home. The color and gloss is spot on. I did mine 6-8 years ago and looks great.

[ethangsmith]

Originally Posted by negusm

Yeah, but what clear do you use? Do you have the correct clear formula? If you paint it with just that formula, it comes out flat and rough doesn't it? It did on mine so I had him clear it and it is now very glossy. I plan on roughing it up and spraying some satin clear or satin paint on it to match my NOS side mouldings.

-Mike

DDL is PPG laquer. Avoid this. That code can be mixed in multiple different paint lines though. I mix and sell ALL PPG paint lines so if I remember, tomorrow at work I will try and figure out of there is a way to make it a satin finish. I think you could probably shoot DBC basecoat and then shoot low-gloss clear over it (I forget the PPG #). I'll see what I can come up with. It may be able to be mixed in DCC (PPG Deltron single stage urethane) in low gloss. That would be the easiest and best looking route.

[Mustang Matt]

39153 is correct.

[Ken P]

Here is what was used on my 86 7B resto:

[GTJerry]

Originally Posted by Purebreed1

Use the SEM stuff 39153 off the top of my head. I will confirm the number when I get home. The color and gloss is spot on. I did mine 6-8 years ago and looks great.

I've got a couple of trim pieces I want to repaint, so I'm going to give this a try. Thanks for the tip.

[ethangsmith]

Originally Posted by Ken P

Here is what was used on my 86 7B resto:

7B = Shadow Blue Metallic = best color ever. That's what my 86 Capri is. Love the color. Went out and checked my can of charcoal grey and it is also 33717. I used DBC and went over it with regular clearcoat. It's not satin like it should be. Like I said above, I will see what I can do at work tomorrow if I have free time. I will post codes and mixing instructions of what I come up with.

[negusm]

Thanks. I'm not disputing the 33717 code, just that I never seemed to get a good answer on how to mix it satin. The painter was willing but he didn't seem to know. He did absolutely excellent work on the car, one of the best jobs. But we couldn't get that one issue figured out and I couldn't hold him up on it.

-Mike

[ethangsmith]

Ok, had some time at work today and looked up all the mixes and information involving 33717, which is the right code, as confirmed by our old 1986 PPG Ford book. Here is what I found:

DCC 33717 (single stage Concept urethane- closest to original) already comes as a satin when it is mixed by the paint store or bodyshop. It has DX995 flattening agent in the formula.
DBC 33717 (basecoat urethane, possibly better color match) is a basecoat the is clearcoated with 34376 low-gloss clearcoat. 34376 is not pre-packaged, it must be mixed. It is a combination of 2060 "flexed and flat" clear and 2042 clearcoat if I remember correctly.
33717 was also available in laquer and enamel, but I would seriously avoid both of them for cost/durability/color match/gloss match's sake.

[ethangsmith]

The DCC 33717 can be seen in the above SVO pictures and looks to be low gloss, confirming what PPG has listed that it comes out satin.

[UFILUKY]

I know a lot of people with this question. I can't wait till someone gets it perfectly figured out.

[8T6 SVO]

Here is one of many items I purchased from a former Ford Employee that worked on the SVO. Unfortunately, this was the only item that he couldn't find when sending me everything.

S56. 1, 8 ½” X 11” Eastman Plastics, ‘color master’ for the 1984 thru 1986 Mustang SVO
Charcoal gray. You will not find this anywhere else. This is surely an argument
ender during judging. 25.00

I would assume that the Charcoal gray is the same for any Mustang?

I could check again to find out if he ever found it.

[Ken P]

Originally Posted by UFILUKY

I know a lot of people with this question. I can't wait till someone gets it perfectly figured out.

What I posted above is the correct paint code. I have two 10,XXX mile SVOs and it matches them perfectly.

The first pic is obviously in the garage and the flash washed out the color just a bit. The second pic of the 2A was taken at nearly sundown so the light level was low and may appear a little darker.

EDIT: I've added another pic of the 7B just for a "side by side by side" comparison...

haha

[irvin]

the DCC 33717 is to be used with a specific activator DCX 61
and in a specific ratio.--irv
this works great and is very durable.

[ethangsmith]

Correct. The DCC has special reduction due to it being lower gloss. 6:2:1 if I'm not mistaken.

[irvin]

yep. used it on all the grey parts on my 86 capri.
and yes it is a low gloss.use a respirator when
spraying.--irv

[stangboy85]

Hey guys, thanks for all your help on this post I started. I gave Marquis Auto Restorations the ford and ppg paint codes and yes this is the correct trim color. I will update you all with pics, of the trim painting and progress on reassembly of the car, as I get them. Thanks again.

[Quikk86]

Great thread!
Stangboy85 - Any updates / pics to share?

I'm going to be doing some trim work on my '86 as well and I'm SUPER happy to have the correct and acutal codes!

Clarifying questions:
Irvin mentioned that the DCC 33717 is to be used with a specific activator DCX 61
and in a specific ratio.

Ethan, is the activator that Irvin mentioned (DCX 61) something that is added to the DCC before it leaves the hands of the paint supplier or do they need to be told to add this? Will the painter supplier / mixer know the ratio or do I need to tell them that it is 6:2:1?

[negusm]

Ken, that Blue car's trim looks much shinier though than the red car's.

Low gloss is good but it still isn't satin.

I would opt for low gloss any day though if it's the closest we can get.

-Mike

[ethangsmith]

Originally Posted by Quikk86

Great thread!
Stangboy85 - Any updates / pics to share?

I'm going to be doing some trim work on my '86 as well and I'm SUPER happy to have the correct and acutal codes!

Clarifying questions:
Irvin mentioned that the DCC 33717 is to be used with a specific activator DCX 61
and in a specific ratio.

Ethan, is the activator that Irvin mentioned (DCX 61) something that is added to the DCC before it leaves the hands of the paint supplier or do they need to be told to add this? Will the painter supplier / mixer know the ratio or do I need to tell them that it is 6:2:1?

DCX61 is a hardener that is purchased separately of the paint. Once added, the clock starts ticking to get it on the car. Another words, the paint starts to harden. If the paint store were to add it (which they never do) you would get home, pop the lid off, and have partially hard goo. So you will need to buy a can of DCX61. Since you are dealing with a low gloss color, you will use the mix ratio you have listed there. The reducer you will need is DT870/885. 870 is for cool weather and 885 is for warmer weather. There is also 860 (cold weather) and 895 (very warm weather).