Shawn
Currently in the stable:
83 Capri RS Crimson Cat
90 7 UP Mustang
87 Mustang GT
83 Porsche 928S
69 Thunderbird Landau
65 Cadillac Calais 4DR Hardtop
02 Thunderbird
Mk1 and Mk2 Capris were an European Ford platform. Accautly believe they was mostly an European Ford with engine/trans options tell they got the 2.3 replacing the 2.0. That platform even ran into the 80's (Merkurs and Escorts...not the US versions) before being phased out. Not 100% sure just based on what I have owned and noticed looking for parts etc...
Current keepers...
77 Cobra II
80 Bobcat Sport
82 GT-first new car is back home!
85 ASC Coupe
86 SVO
86 Escort GT
88 Ranger GT
I was brought home from birth in a 77 pinto squire wagon, so I kinda have a soft spot for em. I would totally rock one.
owner of the 666th mercury produced in 1983.......neat fact! black on black 5.0 t-5 capri with no other options but fishnet seats.....coincidence.......perhaps
2005 Mustang GT- 13.62 @102 All Stock- RIP 8-29-05 9:17 AM
2003 Redfire Terminator
1985 Mustang GT T-Top- Almost Done
I love them both. I've even thought about selling my Saleen for a King Cobra. As far as the pinto's are concerned that wagon with the port holes is amazing...totally 70's cool. Neither get any respect but I think that makes me like them even more.
Last edited by TopGear85; 01-09-2016 at 03:34 AM.
Cheers!
Mike (TopGear85)
Have:
85 Saleen #73-GT,2R,TuTone,Cruise,Pos,5spd,Charcoal
***August 2015 ROTM Winner!***
Had:
79PC-San Jose #2890
86GT-9L,TuTone,5spd,T-Tops,Sand Beige
86GT-9L,TuTone,5spd,T-Tops,Charcoal
90LX-Oxford Wht,5spd,Sunroof,5.0 Hatchback
90GT-Oxford Wht,5spd
"I've even thought about selling my Saleen for a King Cobra"
That's funny and most would not even thank of that. I have been noticing that the values of any Mustang II's (clean examples) especially the "performance" models have doubled and some times tripled in prices over the last couple years. It's taken a long time for the Mustang hobby to truly inbrace these cars.
We or Us...the 4-eyed crowed think finding clean cars and parts is difficult...try a II. There community is much smaller than we have here on FEP if even at all.
So...selling a Saleen for a King Cobra? Maybe not as rare in the numbers game but in the real world...who knows. Could you sell your Saleen and replace it with a nice orgnial of restored KC...that may be a challenge.
BTW I love your car...it's something I would like to own my self and always wanting one. I also being a Mustang lover would like to also and always looking for an affordable KC also. If they both came up at the same time...I would take the KC over the Saleen. Call me nuts or crazy!
Current keepers...
77 Cobra II
80 Bobcat Sport
82 GT-first new car is back home!
85 ASC Coupe
86 SVO
86 Escort GT
88 Ranger GT
Here are a couple more that I saved from the crusher. The bronze 78 was a little old lady car. The granddaughter inherited it. The timing belt broke and some friend of the family tried fixing it but it would never start for them. I tried to buy it from her but we could not agree on a price and she wouldn't tell me what sidelined it so I passed. The person I bought it from bought it from her and did not do anything with it. It still did not run. I reset the timing belt and it fired right up. It had 72k on the clock and came with all the service records. Nice little car.
Bought this one from a kid that was turning it into a race car. He started stripping it. It had a mint deluxe black interior. I bought all the parts he took off first and then bought the car when he lost interest. It was rusty but it ran so good I didn't have the heart to part it out. 2.0l and a 4spd. I pulled the interior for my blue car and replaced it with a well used stuff and pieced it back together. I drove it for about 9 months and then sold it when I had the cruising wagon road worthy.
The guy I sold it too drove it for another 3 years before he sold it. That next owner put a turbo motor in it. Unfortunately a year or two later it succumbed to the tin worm. The body started sagging.
Last edited by Tigger; 11-27-2015 at 02:21 AM.
67 Mustang Coupe
96 Tangerine GT
86 Saleen #179
Funny I sold my cruising wagon because of the Saleen. Wife said I could buy the Saleen but I had to get rid of something. The cruising wagon was it. It went to a good home in Arizona.
67 Mustang Coupe
96 Tangerine GT
86 Saleen #179
Totally love the two cars that got the worst rap from its wrong thinking, counter reactionary revisionist press. Each was American, and fitted into the scheme of things perfectly.Originally Posted by E2ZZGLX
From overseas, I've seen basically, the writers accusing Americans of being crass, brainless people for deciding to downsize into these short wheel base, narrow track, large over hangcars which sold like hotcakes. Safety issues and low rent performance were always what you get when the cars weren't 3700 pound with a 429 or 351 4V. The Fastback styling made both cars cool, and so did the hint of swanky jelly mould in the cross section...it was what makes the cars so cool and 911 Porsche-like to this day. In Pangra form, the Pinto was right up there with the greats. In King Cobra form, it created the start of the 5.0 mystique. Farah Fawcett on the hood never hurt the Cobra II either. The Mustangs small trans tunnel begat the 148 teeth bellhousing SR trans and small 143 teeth C4 auto; each were signs that Detriot could throw money at downsizing a package, and not enough positive press was given regarding the breakthrough steering, gearbox and NVH packaging improvements. People decried its weight and 217 feet stopping distance, but failed to see that it was well proportioned in an AMC AMX manner, and the Fox Mustang/Capri copied the hard chassis rail width and lower suspesion coils and steering gear hard dimensions, hubs, 6.7" axles and, for 79, its engines and yet made space for truly huge engines. The press got it wrong
"Throwing some nice parts at the Pinto failed to mask its true identity as a lemon. In retrospect, it’s easy to see why the Pangra was such a failure. Trying to turn the Pinto into some sort of exotic was futile, as nobody was going to pay Porsche money for a tweaked compact. Still, despite its impracticality, the Pangra remains a fascinating footnote in the history of the Ford Pinto"
55 full kits that passed emissions in an unfriendly Californian market, and a 175 hp net, but 285 hp claimed 15.4 second Ak Miller turbo 2000 that added to the orginal form wasn't a bad idea. see http://news.boldride.com/2013/02/top...it-cars/22963/
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/tri...f/tags/pangra/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwiOUL2BS-k
The 94 inch wheelbase Pintos and 96.2" Mustang II's were very unique designs which cashed in on NVH reducing rubber insulation wishbone fornt ends and pretty good rack and pinion steering. The Pinto and Mustang II lead with Chevrolet/Opel/Vauxhall/Jensen Healy style isolated subframe wishbone IFS and rack and pinion steering, but still with the crude semi elliptic live rear axle. The front end started out in response to the TRW rack used in the DeTomaso Mungusta and Pantera. The Mark III "TC" Cortina and "TC" Taunus used this same cushy, high compliance coil front suspension with an equally lousy coil spring four link rear end...it was always lousy in the Euopean cars, probably worse than the leaf spring Pinto and Mustang II. Retuned, the Pinto and Mustang II are great machines, with scope for better Ranger sized brakes, but the variable ratio powered rack which did such good service in the Fox frames.
It took years for Ford to sharpen the wishbone and rack and pinion Fords. But even the recirculating ball MacPherson strut Consul/Corsair/ Cortina Mark II and rack and pinion Capri were superior, even though they too had cart spring rear ends.
The Euro Capri was totally different with another another half foot in the wheelbase, and harsh, hard, over sprung suspension 1962 with high feedback, sharp steering modification made in 1968 from the rear drive Escort. Although the chassis was pretty much perfect from day one, it took seven long years and a lot of US styling input to get the raging sucess that was the 69 Capri into production.
MacPherson struts featured at the front, a live axle supported on leaf springs with short radius rods at the rear. The Escort steering was new, and very sharp, the cars best feature. The wheelbase was within 3/16ths of the Corsair wheelbase, and 2 inches up on the 62-64 Capri, with all of it in the hood to give it a Mustang like feel, with the RWD Escort tail transplanted to "truncate" it within an inch of its life. So good, the basic changes redistibuted the whole front to rear deck balance totally missing in the orginal Thunderbird style personal coupe.
The American designer of the European Capri reworked the orginal United Kingdom Consol Capri with more Mustang que's, and hit the marketig sweet spot. From 1962-1964, the Consol Capri sold only 20,000 units. In one year, the 1969 Capri sold 400, 000 units. In the US, it sold almost 90000 units in the first year of the 2.6 V6, but soon that rate floundered due to the currancy fluctuations making it increasingly expensive. They may not have had as tight, well sorted chassis, but the Pinto and Mustang II were much more competitive.
About Respect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bk9WG8KWW0
X's Album http://vb.foureyedpride.com/album.php?albumid=2922
Oz JPS Stang http://www.nzmustang.com/Images/Hist...cecars/jps.htm
4V (A)US Race V8's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqk18A-ibjA
ITZOLD 81 Fox http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...-fun-and-games
6V i6's @ http://www.xecltd.info/?rd=10 ; AWD i6's @ http://www.apetracing.co.nz/
113 mph 84 5.0 at Amaroo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTezv3Pzdls&t=8s
Techno KCM Loop Out: Severed Heads 1m³ Angels 1985 https://youtu.be/Wll6G1KpLqQ
Future Shock https://youtu.be/rDKGkWU0lWQ
Good post xctasy.
I always thought the Pinto and Mustang II were the victims of unduly harsh criticism by the media. The Pinto, of course, for the gas tank issue; I believe history has shown that it was generally no more, or no less, safe than contemporary compact cars. It was the media circus around the issue (not unlike the Firestone/Explorer fiasco from a generation later). The Mustang II, for being "just a fancy Pinto" which is exactly what the market called for in its day.
I even see derision directed to our beloved four-eyes, specifically the early year models and their low-horsepower 4, 6, and even 8 cylinder powerplants. Again, one has to consider these vehicles in the context of their day. Low power does not make them boring or undesirable; even "sports cars" of the day have less horsepower than today's midsize family cars. Times have changed.
Bob in Lebanon, TN
79 original owner six cylinder coupe
MCA Gold Card judge for 3rd Generation cars
I owned a few Mustang 2s before I got into the early fox bodies. I still love them but they are so hard to find these days. I had no money to keep mine going plus they were so few parts available at that time.
1980 Cobra http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2364382
11.82@115 mph - 2015 - retired due to cancer
1981 Cobra
reborn with a lot of new go fast parts and time to make it look pretty
11.80 @114 mph - 2016
Never been into Mustang II's but my first car was a '74 Pinto Runabout and later owned a couple of '73 Runabouts. Still love the little cars after all these years and soneday will own another one.
1985 Mercury Marquis LTS... "The Unicorn"
1978 Fairmont... 306 and a C4.
Owned a Maverick and II in the 80s. Had a hard time keeping the II running. The car was in bad shape but I had zero resources at the time. Loved the Maverick though.
Actually shear ignorance perpetuated by the likes of Yahoo and others in ill researched articles by propane brained, rear engined focused reporters who wouldn't have two brain cells to rub together. People who think that a Pinto is rear engined, and that the Corvair fell over everytime it cornered.
Evidence? worst cars ever made
http://werankcities.com/gallery/26-w...s-ever-made/5/
1971 Ford Pinto
Much like the 1961 Corvair, the 1971 Ford Pinto was another car with its engine mounted in the rear. The difference? The 1971 Ford Pinto was by far more deadly than any car ever created. Even the slightest nudge to the back end of this car could turn it into a volatile disaster. Back in the day, it was almost as if Ford had no interest at all in the safety of the consumer.
Why do we say this? Well mainly because, it would have cost $121 million to reinforce the rear end of the car, as opposed to the $50 million it would cost to buyout the dissatisfied customers. Needless to say, if you're one of the people still driving the 1971 Ford Pinto, you must have a death wish! Read more at: http://werankcities.com/gallery/26-w...s-ever-made/5/
http://werankcities.com/gallery/26-w...-ever-made/11/
1961 Corvair
The 1961 Corvair was literally a death trap on wheels. Everything about this atrocity was a disaster waiting to happen. To start, they mounted a flat six engine in the rear of the car. Anyone knows that if you have more weight in the back that you're more likely to spin out. That wasn't the biggest issue with the engine placement though. If you got into a fender Bender, it could turn ugly really quick.
If that wasn't enough for you, the 1961 Corvair also had a single piece steering column. As if worrying about your engine exploding behind you wasn't enough, you had to worry about your steering column impaling you in a front end collision. No wonder this car was deemed "Unsafe at any speed." Read more at: http://werankcities.com/gallery/26-w...-ever-made/11/
1975 Morgan Plus 8 Propane
If you thought that the Pinto was a poorly designed and dangerous car, you obviously have never heard about the 1975 Morgan Plus 8 Propane! To start off, did they realize that they were in the 70's?! Everything about the exterior of the car gives off the vibe that this car was actually built in the 1930's. It had all the classic traits of the cars created 40 years prior including wing fenders, wooden-frame bodies, and sliding-pillar front suspensions. But guess what? That's not the worst thing about the 1975 Morgan Plus 8 Propane. Someone thought that it would be a bright idea to run the v8 engine off of a propane bottle. The worst part about the concept was that the propane bottle hung freely behind the rear bumper! I don't know about you, but we wouldn't want to be in that car when it got rear ended!! Read more at: http://werankcities.com/gallery/26-w...-ever-made/17/
2016 Ford Mustang
Since the beginning of time, the Ford Mustang has always been an iconic car. To most, being able to own an old fastback is a dream, but with Mustangs being what they are, their price never depreciated. In fact, it seems that the older the car the more it's worth. Well over the last decade or so, the look of the Mustang has slowly been going from "American muscle" to "import tuner".
It finally became too much when Ford revealed the prototype for the 2016 Ford Mustang. At first, second, and fiftieth glance, all we can think about when we seen this horrendous car is a rounded Toyota Supra... Ford really did it this time. They may have ruined the way our children are going to look at muscle cars!! Read more at: http://werankcities.com/gallery/26-w...-ever-made/25/
Thanks for Reading! Thanks for Reading! Read more at: http://werankcities.com/gallery/26-w...-ever-made/26/
Last edited by xctasy; 12-21-2015 at 03:54 AM.
About Respect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bk9WG8KWW0
X's Album http://vb.foureyedpride.com/album.php?albumid=2922
Oz JPS Stang http://www.nzmustang.com/Images/Hist...cecars/jps.htm
4V (A)US Race V8's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqk18A-ibjA
ITZOLD 81 Fox http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...-fun-and-games
6V i6's @ http://www.xecltd.info/?rd=10 ; AWD i6's @ http://www.apetracing.co.nz/
113 mph 84 5.0 at Amaroo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTezv3Pzdls&t=8s
Techno KCM Loop Out: Severed Heads 1m³ Angels 1985 https://youtu.be/Wll6G1KpLqQ
Future Shock https://youtu.be/rDKGkWU0lWQ
See this article. More proof on how the Mustang II always gets the rasberry. Carophile, its a free country let your opinons roam free.
Cobra II and KingCobra? Kiss a$$ in my opinion.
http://www.carophile.com/cars-that-e...eir-makers/10/
10. Ford Mustang II
Loosely based on the Ford Pinto, The Mustang II was available as a coupe or hatchback. Two engines were available for the Mustang II: a 2.3 liter four-cylinder Pinto engine and a 2.8 liter “Cologne” V-6. Neither motor gave the Mustang II much power or speed, resulting if Mustang enthusiasts despising the vehicle. Ford eventually released a V-8 engine, but even that motor didn’t top 140 horsepower. To make matters worse, Ford offered “Cobra II” and “King Cobra” appearance packages for the Mustang II; in case you wanted to look fast even though you weren’t. Luckily for Ford the Arab oil embargo had just occurred and the Mustang II sold well due to it’s decent gas mileage.
Anyone driven a 200 or the late 250 Mustang 71-73 would be happy driving the 2.3 or 2.8 Mustang II...the Colgne V6 was a standout engine and a sales feature for Lee's little jewel.
The 2.3 was superior to any thing GM offered in 2.3 liters. 0- 60 mph 12.9 secs, 1/4 mile drag time of 19.1 secs with a 2.3 four speed. Come on, it ran away an hid from a C4 six cylinder Mustang. Even a 1980 4 speed Fox 3.3 would be hard pressed to keep up with a Mustang II.
Last edited by xctasy; 01-09-2016 at 03:14 AM.
About Respect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bk9WG8KWW0
X's Album http://vb.foureyedpride.com/album.php?albumid=2922
Oz JPS Stang http://www.nzmustang.com/Images/Hist...cecars/jps.htm
4V (A)US Race V8's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqk18A-ibjA
ITZOLD 81 Fox http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...-fun-and-games
6V i6's @ http://www.xecltd.info/?rd=10 ; AWD i6's @ http://www.apetracing.co.nz/
113 mph 84 5.0 at Amaroo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTezv3Pzdls&t=8s
Techno KCM Loop Out: Severed Heads 1m³ Angels 1985 https://youtu.be/Wll6G1KpLqQ
Future Shock https://youtu.be/rDKGkWU0lWQ
This is the only one I have so far....but hopefully that will change soon:
Cheers!
Mike (TopGear85)
Have:
85 Saleen #73-GT,2R,TuTone,Cruise,Pos,5spd,Charcoal
***August 2015 ROTM Winner!***
Had:
79PC-San Jose #2890
86GT-9L,TuTone,5spd,T-Tops,Sand Beige
86GT-9L,TuTone,5spd,T-Tops,Charcoal
90LX-Oxford Wht,5spd,Sunroof,5.0 Hatchback
90GT-Oxford Wht,5spd
I had the Cologne V-6 in my 74 Ghia coupe. That was a terrific engine for that size car. I never had any complaints about it. I'd have another any day. I had the 2.3 liter four coupled with an automatic transmission. I drove it from Colorado to California when I moved back home. It made a terrific commuter car for my 60 mile.round trip.commute.
Bryan
1983 Mustang GLX Convertible
DarranOriginally Posted by BLUECRAPI
1982-1C (Black) GT T-Top:http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...he-Road-Thread
1986-9L (Oxford White) SVO: http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...d-did-1986-SVO
1979 (85:Tangerine) Coupe (my son's): http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...gerine-Machine
1979 (3F:Light Medium Blue) Coupe (one day to be my other son's!) http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...um-Blue-Bomber!
This is for you Skip! These are the 3 that took home the trophies in our class (74-86) at the show Sunday that left me going home empty handed.
Brock
1984 Mustang LX Convertible 3.8L V-6/Auto (SOLD)
1984 Mustang GT Hatchback 5.0 V-8/5 Speed
I'm an FEP Supporter and proud of it. Are you?
That Red/White '74 Ghia coupe really melts my butter...!
Bryan
1983 Mustang GLX Convertible
The main issue with the Mustang II are the looks. The proportions are a bit off, tiny wheels, too much metal between the wheel arches and the upper body line, cheesy design cues. The hatchback looks better but it still has the odd proportions. I think a Maverick based Mustang II may have given better results on that aspect.
With that said, I wouldn't mind having one :P And I like them a lot more than the SN95s.
The first Mustang I drove and maintained was a red 74 like the one in 84StangSVT's post.
My first wife's car when we married.
Traded it in for an 81 Fox.
This time around my wife came with a 94 Saturn SL2.
Another car with a cult following.
Ray
86 Mustang LX 3.8 Convertible (bought new}
65 Galaxie 500 XL 390 auto
2A
qwertz, this ones for you....
US 2.8 cams as recomended by EthylCat
See the previous two posts. I trust and engine builder with some engine analysing experience.
http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...-options/page2
http://www.therangerstation.com/tech...rformance.html
http://www.burtonpower.com/tuning-gu...ing-guide.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIWJ5mywo1I
Ford Performance Article above is wrong in many instances...in an about the mid sixites, the 7 "litre" 500 Galaxie was the first US Ford to use the French "Liter" measure
And the platform sharing of the Mustang and Falcon...yes, the dash, cowl and pressings were internally interchangble, but it was a short wheel base Fairline with less than fairlane and greater than Falcon tracks, the Pinto and Mustang II shared steering and brakes and engines and modified Pinto floor pan pressings...
http://www.fordpinto.com/your-projec...lacement-pans/
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The rest of the car, as was said, was a home run. Here's why...
The Fox took the same turret parameters (its interior and cowl and and narrow width hood and cat walk were pretty much Ford Mustang II), and
the European Cortina Coil spring rear end, Cortina/Taunas Two door hard dimensions of steering rack, lower front coil springs, wheel base, track width,
and mashed it up with the right kind of wheel arch space and great US Fairmont Fox hard dimensions...
Four Eyed Foxers owe their all to the Mustang II.
Last edited by xctasy; 09-01-2017 at 06:38 AM.
About Respect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bk9WG8KWW0
X's Album http://vb.foureyedpride.com/album.php?albumid=2922
Oz JPS Stang http://www.nzmustang.com/Images/Hist...cecars/jps.htm
4V (A)US Race V8's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqk18A-ibjA
ITZOLD 81 Fox http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...-fun-and-games
6V i6's @ http://www.xecltd.info/?rd=10 ; AWD i6's @ http://www.apetracing.co.nz/
113 mph 84 5.0 at Amaroo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTezv3Pzdls&t=8s
Techno KCM Loop Out: Severed Heads 1m³ Angels 1985 https://youtu.be/Wll6G1KpLqQ
Future Shock https://youtu.be/rDKGkWU0lWQ
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