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    Hey Fellas, I have been re-united with my first car ever! a 1979 Mustang......It had the 2.8L..... I Have an Offenhauser 4 bbl Intake Already....But I Am Looking For Headers that don't cost 500 Smackers! I have Heard that the 86 Ford AeroStar-Had a "Tubular like Header" for the exhaust manifold....Does anyone know if this will work on the 79 fox??? I know a lot of mustang II and Ranger Guys use them.......Does Anyone happen to have a photo of this Manifold? good to be back guys! thanks!

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    Very cool to find an old friend.....

    That's a nice little engine, a left over from the Mustang II years.....check this out on your 2.8......
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    Welcome to FEP. We'll want to see progress pictures on this one.
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    welcome to the forum...super nice looking notch you got there anymore pix? i thought about having mine redone black (with the red interior it looks good)
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    That's great that you found your old car in one piece! I know a few of my old cars are on the scrap heap today. As for the 2.8, those are potent little motors that could really get up and move with the right mods. This should be an interesting build!
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    What a hugely underated German engine! Sadly, people only remeber lumbering. thirtsy, underpowered 1983 Bronco II's with bad gear ratio's, lousy carb problems and hardened leaky valve stem seals and crack prone heads. A pretty sad last run for an engine that was winning touring car races 10 years before. In the Fox, it was a short lived, but exceptionally nice engine.


    People forget that the net HP paper readings were either 93, 97 or 104, or 105 hp for the Z-code, 2.8L v6,, depending on the state, year and carb. That's way up on the paltry 85 to 92 hp net from the T and B code 3.3's. It had a 2 barrel carburetor of three types depending on years, the Holley Weber 5200, Motorcraft 2150, or Variable Venturi 7200 2-bbl carburettor, but generally with 104 or 105 hp at 4000rpm and 140ft-lb of torque at 3200rpm. It carried the awfull wide ratios of the SROD like a champ, and sounded so good despite the smog gear. I've had both engines, and the Cologne V6 is head and shoulders above the 3.3 for character, power and fun. Fuel consumption wise, it was no different to the 3.3.

    In race form, and not strangled by feedback carbs, bad gear ratios and 3000 pound Bronco II bodies, a bored out Cologne V6 with 183 cubic inches could make 320 hp at 7600 rpm, and 239 lb ft at 5500 rpm with 1.9"intakes and 1.5" exhast three outlet heads. 11:1 compression, 8 k rev limit, and that was just in 1973 with Works RS 2600 Capris.


    The US 2.8's ran a very good US market specific three outlet exhast without the earlier 2.6 Capris siamesed ports, and later after its advent in the Mustang II and Fox, there was the Bronco II/Ranger revision to conventional timing chain rather than the early timing gear. The timing gear could sufffer shear off in cold start situations, so from '82-'83, the engines got smaller cam journal size than later years, a reversed rotation distributor and there were lots of little changes. The German Ford of Europe Cologne plant was a war reparations purchase for Henry Ford US's World War II effort, but due to huge increase of V6 production for the European Capri, Cortina, Sierra and Granada after the 3.0 Liter Essex engine was axed in 1980, the German plant stopped exporting the engine from late 1979 to 1982, and when the Bronco II and Ranger came out, the better engineered roller timing chain V6 got imported.



    You have to be very carefull the right exhast and intake is used, as the 76 to 79 Cologne 2.8's are different to the later Bronco II and Ranger engines. The aftermarket headers should be upward compatiable to the earlier Fox body engine bay. though.

    The best version of the engine was the ballistic European 2.8 160 hp Bosch K jetronic and later 150 hp EEC4 Mekur Scorpio 2.9 engines, but the European gear doesn't fit the earlier 2.8, as Ford America requested different heads and ignition to suit the US emmissions and US durability requirements.

    It can be easily stroked out to 3.0,3.1, or 3.6 liter with a 3.32" 84.32 mm stroke US 4.0 Explorer crank, which is a drop in with just a few modifications, which the Europeans did all the time. The engine was a common Capri, Cortina, Granada, Sierra, Scimitar, TVR, Panther and kit car engine. Just Stroked and modified to give an overall capacity of 3081cc, and using a factory Weber DGAS 38, you can make 196 Hp net with supreme ease. 184 hp is a shoe in with stock parts.



    See http://www.specialisedengines.co.uk/dir14.html

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    I has a 79 hatch with a 2.8 and auto back in 1985. It was my first Fox and a great car with pretty good get up and go. Now driving my 5.0 79 is a little different but still takes me back in time every time I drive it. Good luck with this one and please keep us updated as you go.
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    Well I Got Her Running Today. Im Still At a Stump on the Headers
    Here's a Shot of My Manifolds:




    I Found a Set online for a ford 2.8L...But I Dont Want to Fork Money out and them end up not fitting....



    Still Would Like to See What a Set of Aerostars look like if anyone has a photo....I don't mind having new Exhaust Ran


    Here's The First Start up After 8 years.......new Solenoid,& coil and She Fired...

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    Found aerostar manifolds....they surprisingly Enough Are indeed Headers
    Should be a Direct Fit..... Will update

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    thats pretty sweet man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 80Notch View Post
    thats pretty sweet man!
    I don't think so, so much of your US Cologne gear is better than the rest of the worlds....I hate and envy you North American guys!!!!!

    Your later 2.9 Colognes had 140 to 145 hp in port injection form, and the 4.0 cammers had as much power as the turbo and quad cam 2.8 and 2.9 engines. The US market parts made the US Cologne a much better engine than the European market variants, so I'm a bithacked off that you can find such good gear just lying around. Back in 2000 wnr I turboed my Cortina 2.3 V6, I had to import US Bronco II transmissions and Probe IHI turbosand Impco Lpg gear to do my Ak Miller style turbo. You can get that sort of power for free with Offy, Holley and 3 port heads with stock headers. Yuk. Just not fair....

    ..... I Have an Offenhauser 4 bbl Intake Already....But I Am Looking For Headers that don't cost 500 Smackers! I have Heard that the 86 Ford AeroStar-Had a "Tubular like Header" for the exhaust manifold....Does anyone know if this will work on the 79 fox??? I know a lot of mustang II and Ranger Guys use them.......Does Anyone happen to have a photo of this Manifold? good to be back guys! thanks!
    That 4-bbl intake with a 390 or 465 cfm 4-bbl Holley is one of the worlds best intake manifolds. According to Pat G's July 1982 V6 Performance SA book, Offy even had jetting specs for it, plus a an adaptor plate so you can run an emission legal 2-bbl carb on the street, with a 4-bbl for racing just via removing a few bolts. Plus you had Duraspark II ignition when our 114 hp 2.3 Cortinas got a Bosch version which had a very poor factory ignition module. You guys still have it all!

    We never even got triple oulet heads and exhasts untill the 1985 modlel year revision, and the latr 1986 Sierra/Scorpio EEC4 engines, so you guys had 12 years of triple port heads instead of this purile exhast crap. A V4 Saab exhast system on a 150 to 160 hp 2.8 Injection engine! The head cracking that some three outlet heads suffered was fixed with the 1989 head castings, but generally, your US stuff is much better than the original European 1990 90 hp, 2294 108 to 114 hp and 2793 cc 135, 150 and 160 hp V6 engines



    The US engineering on the later US spec import Cologne V6 exhasts followed on Fords HO V8 headers, very good 90 thou thick headers with special bends.


    You guys should be pretty happy, all our 2.0, 2.3 and 2.8 engines mentioned had 1962 spec V4 exhast manifolds until the 1984 to 1986 revision of the 2.4 and 2.9 EEC 4 controlled engines depending on what car you got. You guys got Universal triple outlet heads from October 1974 onwards. Our exhasts followed 1970-1973 2.6 Capri practice, even untill the 1981 to 1987 2.8 injection / Capri 280's, with only two outlets per bank. Even the Tickford Turbos and Janspeed 2.8 Turbos got V4 exhasts, how dumb is that?



    http://www.a400mod.com/What%20is%20a...rd%20Capri.htm


    Having a turboed 1982 to 1987, there was a 205bhp at 5000rpm and 260 ft lb at 3500rpm turbo car verses the stock 4.0 SOHC's 205 to 207 hp, and 245 to 250 lb-ft. A win to the US again








    The headers made 10 hp extra or 160 hp on a Capri, all the other versions were 150 HP with 1981 to 1987 Bosch K Jetronic 2.8 V6 used in the Granada 2.8i, Capri 2.8 Injection, Panther Kallista, TVR Tasmin and even the 188 Turbo Capri ran those horrible little twin outlet V4 exhasts. So did the Sieera XR4i which had the 2.8 Injection engine in cast iron exhast 150 hp form.

    What were dey drinking in Germany, and why did the US cars get the good gear when the engines only made 104 to 105 hp?

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    You've even got Cologne C4 an C5 automatic bellhousings from the Bronco II's and those great headers and even the early suspect fibre gear drives have TRW alloy replacements. We non US types have got 195 and 210 hp 2.9 24 Valve Cosworth BOA's and BOB's and you guys had a almost as good and more torquey 207 hp 4.0 SOHC Ranger, Mustang and Explorer V6's from 1997 to 2011. The point is that the US aftermarket and US factory spare parts look after these little Cologne V6's better than a few quad cam cylinder heads


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    What about doing a 4.0 swap on this??? 5-speed???

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    Awesome that you got your car back!!! My 79 also has the 2.8 in it...
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    I'm really interested in this thread and have subscribed. We are very close to picking up a 79 2.8 coupe for my son!

    Thanks for all of the good info so far! My main concerns were with the engine and part availability/options. This thread is giving me good vibes so far!

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    Your headers will need a profile cut flange on both sides of the engine to cover off the lack of top bolts from the Areostar application headers.

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    The old EEC4 and Delco P4 set-ups were able to downgrade from port efi back to twin injector CFI and TBI setups, so you can keep the stock 2-bbl intake and slap on EFI in a couple of days. The 2.8 Carby Cologne V6 found in Capris, Mustsngs, Areostars, Rangers and Bronco II's used to be a bit of a hassle to tune, so the guys used to ripoff a Port EFI V code 2.9 Scorpio or Ranger Port EFI unit and slap on a 1983 to 1985 3.8 CFI unit, and you'd be made.

    Ford 2.9 V6 1989 Port EFI to Ranger carb with Ford 3.8 CFI

    http://www.broncoii.org/techpages/2.8fi/


    Others just did the 2.8 Chev V6 TBI to it. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/vie...507889&start=0

    Either way, the ignition and fuel maps were close or able to be resolved, and air fuel self adjusting with an O2 sensor.

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    All this talk about the engine is great and all, but I would like to hear more about the story of having the car, selling it, and then discovering it again. It might give the rest of us hope that we might find our old cars that "got away". Anybody with me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bull-vette View Post
    All this talk about the engine is great and all, but I would like to hear more about the story of having the car, selling it, and then discovering it again. It might give the rest of us hope that we might find our old cars that "got away". Anybody with me?
    I agree but I am still interested in the engine stuff too!
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    I'd like to hear the story mentioned by bull-vette, too. I'd love to find my 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 Sports Coupe again.
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    We Just Got a Local U-Pull It Auto Salvage....& 1 Of My Buddies Transports & Hauls Junk Cars....He Was In Tulsa( 3 Hours away ) on on A Job & The Guy Mentioned a old Mustang For Metal( Junk 250$).....He Took a Look at It and Thought it Looked Familiar...He Asked if it Had a Title..Sure Enough...It was Still Open in MY Name!! It Has Just sat for the last 7 Years.
    I Have Finally Got It Street Worthy Again as of Yesterday.... I Will Post Photos/Video in coming Weeks...in Meantime...I Found Theese Sweet NOS Emblems!

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    [QUOTE=Fordhorsemen;1590249]We Just Got a Local U-Pull It Auto Salvage....& 1 Of My Buddies Transports & Hauls Junk Cars....He Was In Tulsa( 3 Hours away ) on on A Job & The Guy Mentioned a old Mustang For Metal( Junk 250$).....He Took a Look at It and Thought it Looked Familiar...He Asked if it Had a Title..Sure Enough...It was Still Open in MY Name!! It Has Just sat for the last 7 Years.
    I Have Finally Got It Street Worthy Again as of Yesterday.... I Will Post Photos/Video in coming Weeks.]

    What a cool story! What's the chances of that? Now this leads to more questions though....Did you know the guy you sold the car to? He never drove it, or titled it, but bought it and let it sit? Why? If he never titled it, does this mean you owe past taxes on it ever year he didn't title it? I'm assuming you quit paying them when you sold it, and if he never put it in his name, won't you owe the past 7 years of personal property taxes? Sorry for all the questions, but you have got me curious!
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    [QUOTE=bull-vette;1590288]
    Quote Originally Posted by Fordhorsemen View Post
    We Just Got a Local U-Pull It Auto Salvage....& 1 Of My Buddies Transports & Hauls Junk Cars....He Was In Tulsa( 3 Hours away ) on on A Job & The Guy Mentioned a old Mustang For Metal( Junk 250$).....He Took a Look at It and Thought it Looked Familiar...He Asked if it Had a Title..Sure Enough...It was Still Open in MY Name!! It Has Just sat for the last 7 Years.
    I Have Finally Got It Street Worthy Again as of Yesterday.... I Will Post Photos/Video in coming Weeks.]

    What a cool story! What's the chances of that? Now this leads to more questions though....Did you know the guy you sold the car to? He never drove it, or titled it, but bought it and let it sit? Why? If he never titled it, does this mean you owe past taxes on it ever year he didn't title it? I'm assuming you quit paying them when you sold it, and if he never put it in his name, won't you owe the past 7 years of personal property taxes? Sorry for all the questions, but you have got me curious!
    thats a good question right there....when i unregistered my notch while i was swapping it (3 year process) i had to pay up on everything between when i took it off and re registered it
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    I Assume The Car Sat Because They Thought the Motor was Toast.....there's a Tooth missing on Flywheel ......Every So Often You have to Turn the Fan Backwards....Silenoid was Melted, starter burnt, coil missing......& I Shouldn't Have to Pay Taxes...The Gov't is ShutDown! But Most Likely I Will end Up Paying...I Don't Mind...I Regret Getting rid of this car everyday...and Wondered What the hell happened to it??....I'm at Ease... I Drove it for the First Time Yesterday & Had a Sh1t Eating Grin From Ear to Ear....Memories!
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    Did Not Know him
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    In Idaho, the seller completes and sends in the "Release of Liability" form on the back of the car's registration form. It's a $2 fee or something like that, but, it releases the seller from liability, hence the form name.

    If you have something similar to that and used it when you sold the car the first time, you shouldn't be responsible for the buyer not registering it under his name. I hope you don't have to pay back fees on your car, but it's great hearing you have her back where she belongs.
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