ordered Marti Report
I splurged and ordered the elite Marti Report. That's the fancy framed model. The estimated shipping time is.... February 2011. I will have forgotten it by then, until some strange box shows up one day, when I will be pleasantly surprised.
I also ordered the Eminger invoice. That will about do it for documentation on my car, since I already have the window sticker, build sheet, and dealer sales document.
Bob in Lebanon, TN
79 original owner six cylinder coupe
MCA Gold Card judge for 3rd Generation cars
MAN THATS A LONG TIME TO WAIT. lol
1984 1/2 GT 350 finally done (well almost)
2012 Focus SEL
1971 Ranchero - needs bodywork
1995 F150 4X4 Flareside - it is fun!
2014 F150 Tremor - Holy Smoke!
What are they doing over there all day? Playing shuffleboard?
How long have we been waiting for "Marti" and the gang to get their act together and start pulling Mustang numbers past 1979? I think it's time we Mustang owners tell Marti and his crew they better shape up or they'll never get business from us ever.
I would say "ever again" but since there's no "again" I guess they really don't care about us.
Don't you F'n dare. Be patient. That is one GREAT way to have him just say F U and go straight to 87-93 where he can probably make twice the money.Originally Posted by 85GTTops
What are they doing over there all day? Playing shuffleboard?
How long have we been waiting for "Marti" and the gang to get their act together and start pulling Mustang numbers past 1979? I think it's time we Mustang owners tell Marti and his crew they better shape up or they'll never get business from us ever.
I would say "ever again" but since there's no "again" I guess they really don't care about us.
-Mike
Well they better start getting with the program and stop catering to the 60's and 70's folks because that market is locked in. I've been patient for almost 4 years now and it's always the same story. Come up with a timeline and and stick with it instead of providing rough dates which never get met.
I know others feel the same way, and these are parts dealers and restoration shops, not owners. There is a real need for this all the way up to 98, especially in the aero world as you've pointed out.
But I will do as you request and keep my mouth shut for a while.
The way I see it is that he got not just the 79-93 data dumped on his lap but also the Emminger reports. That's a lot of crap to organize in a lame economy where it's very uncertain if it's worth hiring people to speed up the process.
Bitching at him won't do a blessed thing. It won't speed up the process in the slightest. It WILL slow or halt it as he will cease to even want to talk about it. All we need right now is for him to get sick of it and put it on a back burner. The guy isn't getting any younger and the older you get the easier it is to say "SCREW IT". And once they go there they DO NOT RECANT! I KNOW car guys.
Email him with words of encouragement. Email him a sweet letter every month with a love poem.
When I was a kid, I got in good with many a junkyard because I was super nice. Same deal.
Honey catches flies.
-Mike
Well Mike, this is where you and I can agree to disagree.
This is business, not charity. If he wants to do something, he should either work on it or give it to a different company who will. We have quite a few people waiting on this information and it would be helpful to us in the Fox Body community to benefit from that information. Stringing us along with no intention of getting anything done is wrong. 4 years is 3 years too many. Nice phone calls and kissy kissy aren't cutting it.
If he's too busy or too lazy or doesn't see profit in it, I have a few companies who would just love to get all the data off his hands and out to the people who really need it. There is no harm in getting on his tutu and riding him a little. If he says "screw it", he's not a true enthusiast anyway and we won't be getting the info we need regardless.
Or have him say he doesn't know when he'll get to it or if he'll ever get to it. That would work too. At least owners won't be wasting phone calls and emails over something that could take 20 years to finish at this pace, if at all.
I don't think you understand. Actually I see you don't know the full story.
It took him at least a DECADE to get this information from FORD. If he "gives it up", it goes back to FORD. Then anyone else who wants to try tackling Ford's legal department can start the process all over again. And from my understanding is that the only reason FORD allowed the process to even begin was that they were somewhat comfortable with him and trusted him.
-Mike
Bottom line. Marty is it. There is no other avenue.
-Mike
I do know full well the story. And I dont' really want to debate this further.
If you do, then you know the information can't be shared like you suggested.I do know full well the story. And I dont' really want to debate this further.
Why do keep making excuses for this company's poor business practices??? Do you know Kevin personally? I just don't understand. What excuse are you going to provide for them on taking 7 months to pull 1 report???
No, most of the information can't be shared. Some of it can based on the contract they both agreed to. And they have already promised to provide the information..."soon", whenever that is. That's laughable.
The company's been known to be painfully slow and rather irritating to their customers as of late. Like this poor chap. Waiting 7 months for a report that has a "Average turnaround time: 7 business days, plus shipping time" based on their own web site. So which one is it? 7 days or 7 months?
If it takes 7 months to do research, you as a company should either A: fire your employees and get more productive ones, or B: get more staff to get the job done. There's a shop here in Denver that pulls the same kind of garbage. They claim to have your car done in 4 months when it winds up taking 2 years with a budget overrun of 200%.
This is why I am starting my own vendor "blacklist". Companies who waste time, supply empty promises, and don't care about their customers. Marti Autoworks is now on the list.
Shame on you Ford. You should have worked with a company that actually wants to help your customers, and not just the "60's Musclecar" fans who feel they can get to their customers "whenever they feel like it".
My advise to the OP: call them and demand your money back.
Past Mustangs:
1965 "K" Code Coupe... 289/271HP 4 speed Poppy Red
1986 GT... Canyon Red 5 speed
2002 GT... Silver Automatic
2003 Mach 1... Azure Blue 5 speed
Current Cars:
1986 Mustang LX 5.0L Coupe
1996 Escort LX 2 Door
2011 Ford Fusion SEL
Again, there is no other option. He's the guy. He's a monopoly. Getting mad about it will solve nothing. Why would I not defend a guy who has fought YEARS to snatch priceless information out of the jaws of the blue beast? That's a massive undertaking.
Are you only talking about the 1980+ reports? Have you heard of them being slow for 1979 and before? Seems like the people here requesting 1979 reports were serviced promptly.No, most of the information can't be shared. Some of it can based on the contract they both agreed to. And they have already promised to provide the information..."soon", whenever that is. That's laughable.
The company's been known to be painfully slow and rather irritating to their customers as of late. Like this poor chap. Waiting 7 months for a report that has a "Average turnaround time: 7 business days, plus shipping time" based on their own web site. So which one is it? 7 days or 7 months?
EDIT: I was mistaken that the OP was requesting a 1979 report. I'll admit that it is strange that he is now saying 7 months. But at least he's up front about it. How many companies will say anything like that?
Honestly, I get the feeling you are taking a stance to just take a stance. Do you honestly think he's going to turn down orders or risk angering customers by trying to be INTENTIONALLY slow? From his description, he has a veritable warehouse of paperwork to sift through. Plus he needs to make sure the documents he provides are 100% perfect. Build sheets, door tags, etc all change year to year.If it takes 7 months to do research, you as a company should either A: fire your employees and get more productive ones, or B: get more staff to get the job done. There's a shop here in Denver that pulls the same kind of garbage. They claim to have your car done in 4 months when it winds up taking 2 years with a budget overrun of 200%.
Your anger is sorely misplaced and I think the characterization has no basis in reality.This is why I am starting my own vendor "blacklist". Companies who waste time, supply empty promises, and don't care about their customers. Marti Autoworks is now on the list.
Again, I don't think you understand the story. Marti is the one who chased Ford. Ford couldn't have given a rat's ass about that data. They weren't shopping it around. They probably would have rather BURNED it to eliminate any kind of perceived future liability. You should be THANKING Marti that he got that info out of Ford and is licensed to release it to car owners. If things go well, he will fill in countless unknown holes of information we have on our cars.Shame on you Ford. You should have worked with a company that actually wants to help your customers, and not just the "60's Musclecar" fans who feel they can get to their customers "whenever they feel like it".
From seeing others deal with MartiAutoworks, they don't charge until they are ready to send you the goods.My advise to the OP: call them and demand your money back.
I can tell you're not wrong very often but take it personally when told so. Too bad.
-Mike
Last edited by negusm; 06-15-2010 at 10:18 PM.
I sent them a question. I hope to hear a response.
-Mike
roush235 ordered an "Elite Report". The Website DOES NOT say turn-around time for an Elite Report is 7 days. It says lead time is 4-6 months and average turn-around time is 6 months. More detailed research is required for, and more information is included in, the Elite Report.
A turn-around time of 7-10 business days (average of 4 days + shipping) is for the Deluxe Report. That one does not include as much information as the Elite Report does. (For example, the Elite report includes production numbers for ALL options, the Deluxe Report includes a production number for ONE option.)
From my limited contact with Marti and his company I have came to the opinion that they belong to the group of classic Mustang owners that dont care about the late models. You all know who I am talking about. The older Mustang owners that says the Fox bodies are a throw away car. There is no Mustang other than a 64-73. Not saying that they are but that is the impression I get.
With that said I have to agree with Mike to not piss him off.
Agian, I do not know Matri or his company. I just get that feeling when I call and talk to his company.
Trust me I would LOVE to see this information released.
Jeff, given that you've likely spent years to collect your NOS parts, I'd think you of all people would have an understanding of the patience needed with such an undertaking. Your negative energy if channeled toward Marti would be a poor representation on us as a whole and who knows, you may then may find yourself blacklisted by sellers here after seeing this thread.
Your ignorance knows no bounds. You are going to drive me completely insane trying to figure out what world you think you live in.
'79 Indy pace car T-top
'81 Cobra
'81 Cobra T-top
'82 Mustang GT T-top
'87 Corvette
'10 Mustang GT Convertible
'17 F250
'17 Landrover Discovery Sport
I still have not received a solid response to my questions. So I will ask them more directly:
- Why is it acceptible to spend years telling customers an invaluable and needed product is coming with absolutely no progress reports and no real promises it will ever see the light of day?
- Why should it take 7 months to complete a simple report when a house takes less time to build?
I don't care how "wonderful" you think they've been. I don't care how "valuable" you think they are. I don't care about all the "great" things they have done for you or your friends. I could care less who is a "God" in the automotive community. All I care about are the answers to the questions above. They are simple business questions. They revolve around making money, being honest, and treating customers with respect. That is all.
Better yet, let's get Marti Autoworks to answer these questions in candor. Right here, on this particular forum. Will they be so kind as to chime in and explain themselves? After all, we are their customers, right?
. I can see where 85GTTops is goin. As a business stand point Marti SUCKS at this. He's been saying for years that they are gonna come out on _____ and yet they dont show up as being available. If he had said "As of now there is no known date for the release of these" then that would be better then saying a false date. Also if you dont get billed till they ship it out then what happens after the seven months you have lost your job and dont have the money (this is a rhetorical question).
On the other hand you cant say to much as theres noone else to get the reports from. Well maybe one day i'll be able to order some
Son of Jleews6, Johnny 5
85 GT 1C Vert = Grey int. no power options but A/C.
85 GT 2R Hatch = "Pepper"ALL original sunroof car grey int.,full scale restoration coming one day
85 GT 2A Hatch = tan int. 2.5" full exhaust, frame connectors, AutoMeter Pro Comp gauges, 5-Lug w/17" Bullitts, converted to FI, 8.8 w/3.55s etc.
85 GT 1C Hatch = Dads new toy ALL ORIGINAL
85 GS/RS 4D Hatch = My first capri
73 Mach 1 - 351 2bbl Auto Yellow w/Tan interior
Re-read the posts by negusm. Your questions have been answered. Several times.
'79 Indy pace car T-top
'81 Cobra
'81 Cobra T-top
'82 Mustang GT T-top
'87 Corvette
'10 Mustang GT Convertible
'17 F250
'17 Landrover Discovery Sport
No. The question has not been answered.
And I have a valid suspicion as to why Marti Autoworks has not released the information on Fox bodies while making it very difficult for customers to obtain even 1979 information.
I won't go into details here but ask yourselves some very rudamentary questions:
- What will happen to the Fox market once this information is readily available?
- How does this affect the rest of the Mustang restoration market?
- How valuable is this information to possible collectors?
- If collectors don't know this information, how do they know which Mustangs are more collectible than others in order to choose between Mustangs of all eras?
But I guess I live on another planet, as you say.
I don't know where you're getting MA has not released information or is making it difficult to obtain (for '79 owners).
Have you not seen the reports or invoice that have been posted here?
Yes. It's called the original post. 7 months. Plus 4 years of empty promises for years 80-89.
If that isn't being "difficult", I don't know what is.
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