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    Hi guys. I am a newbie on the board looking for some help. I currently have an 05, but am looking for something older to play with.

    I saw an ad today for an 1982 SS? Does anyone know about them? I keep getting conflicting information. I have been told they never existed, that they were the Special Service (Cop) cars, that they are Canadian GTs, etc...

    Here is the ad and a copy of an email I received from the seller:

    http://longisland.craigslist.org/car/641464292.html

    This Is NOT an Chips car. Chips did not get their cars until production was well under way. They were L hatch backs and sedans with police package equipment. I don't know where you get your information from but the GT was orginally called SS "Super Stallion" The cars got held at the dealers because Ford was sued first by GM then by the Jewish defence league over the name. I was a Ford zone manager during this time and when Ford gave up fighting they changed the name to GT in the field. We were given a change over kit for each car in our Zone. In this kit was a marony lable, two decals. We were instructed to remove the SS emblem off the deck lid and the glove box door and replace them with GT decals. This car is one such car. In Fact it came from a dealer in my old route. It was orginally built as an SS and I started to restore the car to original lost my job and ran out of money. The SS emblems are genunine and I have the ford part numbers and and envelope they came in to prove it. I also have the Part numbers for the Chips package emblems and decals and they are not the same. There is only one Ford History book that I know of in print that mentions the name change. I have various proof as to what I am saying. I have only met a hand full of people from around the globe that remember the law suit and the field change over. I know of one other car that was just sold to a guy in Texas. The previous owners dad was the Dearborn plant manager at the time and was given one of the first 200 off the line. It is black and has only about 20G on the clock. I have photos of the documents if you would liek to see them. The first 200 SS were made week 2 Nov 1981 and week 2 Dec 1981. The next 2000 SS were made week 2 and 3 of Jan 1982 and week 1 and 2 of Februaly 1982 This car was one of the last built. Starting March 1982 the dark red color was introduced prior to that the car only came in Silver and Black. When production started in March a ra raised plastic GT emblem was available for the car and used. The GT decal still listed under decals in Ford parts books. The SS emblem is listed under early 1982 emblems listings. If you read the Original Ford CHIP package content list you will see what the package included and the body used. The orginal 5 hatchbacks were never placeed into Chips service. They were sales demos to spike interest in police package Mustangs. As far as I know there were part of the 20 or so Mustang "SS" demo models Fords had in their posession. These 20 or so cars were job 1 prototypes from the Dearborn pilot plant. This plant builds all cars first to iron out assebly issues before actual production begins around the globe. Those cars were the forunners to the Job 1 SS production which were the ones that had the GT name change over. Being prototypes they should have been destroyed as are the rest of the prototypes as they are just that prototypes and not regular production vehicles. Many don't even have full Vin tags.


    What do you guys think? The SS badge in the pictures looks to me like it came off of an 80's Monte Carlo.

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    That car is definitely a common topic of discussion.
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    yep

    Buy the car to save it, don't buy it thinking you have something rarer then a 82GT

    Although being a 82GT is enough to own one anyway...lol

    The car has been for sale for some time...so if your interested, you need to look it over
    real good.

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    Thanks for the links to the earlier threads. Does anyone remember what the guy was asking for it in the past? He wants $1,500 now - not running.

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    Here's the biggest problem with buying that car:
    I doubt there are a lot of people who know more about 4-eyed Mustangs than this board does collectively. It has come up here 4 times that I can remember and no one has bitten. It's doubtful that you could ever legitimately sell it as an SS since it's so heavily disputed, yet that's exactly what you'd be paying a premium for. If you want it for what it is jump on it. If you want it for what the seller represents it as being, I'd keep looking.

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    Hi, thanks for joining.

    The email you included is an interesting read, although I'm not quite sure of the claims made in it. If you receive any copies/images of documentation the seller claims to have, we'd sure be interested in seeing it. This is something we'd like to get to the bottom of once and for all, which ever way the facts lead.

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    Here is the latest email from the seller along with pictures he has sent of proof of the cars authenticity. I am reallly interested in these cars now, but think that I will keep looking for a better/real one!

    See here is the thing I really don't want to sell it. However I can not aford to ship it and my mom wants it gone. My heart and gut tell me one thing, (No don't sell it) and my common sence and my mother say another. Keep in mind Im 57 and my mom is 85. Neither is getting any younger. I want to see the car restored. If I can not do anything else with it I will give it to the Ford Museum in Dearborn. My plan now is to put any old 302 in it box up the original motor and save it just to get it here in Nebraska. As Diesel prices go up the cost of shipping a non running car goes up as well. I have looked into Uhaul's etc and it would cost over 3G to get the car here. So there it sits. To make my mom feel better I have placed ads to sell it. Note that I am not placeing ads that cost anything. It created quite a good still last time as well and I received several letters calling it a fake and several that know of the car and the story that worked at Ford in some capacity at the time. Back in 1982 when it all happened no one at Ford gave it a second thought. From time to time we would have to correct some issue in the field the same way. In 1983 it was the Fairmont and the LTD2 some LTD2 were badged Fairmont on one side and Ltd on the other. Some Merc Monarch had Granada emblem or Ford on them instead of Mercury. I carried a little vile of emblem adhesive remover and a eye dropper in my Ford brief case. These type of things just happened from time to time. It was not until a bealer in Mineola NY, who was a car collector said to me, as I was removing the showroom posters, books, etc that mendtioned SS, "Do you have to send it all back?" "This stuff will be worth a ton in 50 years" It wa then a light bulb went off in my head and realised he might be right. That dealer has long past but I am sure that some where in his collection lies original Mustang SS showroom posters and booklets etc. that he kept. I have personaly learned many things while I was at Ford from 1979 to 1989 that would make your head spin. There are tons of rare cars out there just like the mis printed coins and dollar bills people collect. Just look at the movie Back to the Future 2. All the future Fords in that movie. Did you know not one can be accounted for and there is no record of them being destroyed. Ford Probe V?? ever see one?? There are at least 10 missing. There was a huge shake up at the Ford museum recently because there are so many one of a kind cars that can't be accounted for. I hope you now belive what I am saying and pass the proof on that I gave you.

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    I don't think anyone has disputed the fact that Ford created a small run of Mustang SS cars for the late 81 release of the 82 Mustang. The dispute comes from the "proof" that he is providing. A circled line from a magazine article, picture of a Mustang SS in a magazine, an SS emblem that was (maybe still is) available from ford (if you notice, the part number is E1FZ, that's an 81 part number, but his car was built Oct 82, by then all the SS cars had been rebadged), and the last little bit looks like a decal set order form. None of this is proof that HIS CAR came with that particular item. IE, build sheet, original window sticker, anything like that.

    That's the dispute over this vehicle. Personally, I doubt it was an original SS car.

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    This car the seller is trying to pass off as an "SS" is not an SS, it is a GT. He posted the info from his Body/Buck Tag. It was stamped with "GT". The tag was matched with the VIN -- they had the same production sequence number.

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    More from the seller, after I disputed his proof:

    My car was the last few for the first production run that ended the second week of Feb 1982. The car came with a SS emblem on the glove box and a GT decal on the deck lid. As you may know on Ford part numbers the E1 is when the number was first used. it has nothing to do with production date. E1FZ indicating mustand series. And no the emblems are no longer available. I purchased all known to exist at Ford for about 6 bucks back in 1995. Im am not saying the car is a all original as built Mustang SS there were 100 bulit in one week of nov 81 and another 100 in dec 81 and then 2000 more were built during Jan and feb 1982. I personally know in tex that is an original SS from Nov 81. What I dispute is the fact that people are saying there was never a mustang ss as a seperate car and not a police package and I as well as several other know this is not true.

    Jay

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    Im am not saying the car is a all original as built Mustang SS
    tighten the strings in your tennis shoes and run.
    He may not be saying that but he's implying it pretty heavily in that ad.

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    I wonder if he'll ever send out another copy of that body/buck tag again. It'd be nice if we still had that. Maybe if it's asked for without mention of the letters G and T, he might actually give it up.

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    i know where there is a stalion coupe, it even has a stalion sticker at the bottom of each door . if i get the chance ill buy it
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    E1FZ is not a "Mustang" part. It is an Escort part.

    E1 = 1981
    F = Escort
    Z = Ford Service Parts

    He didn't purchase all known-to-exist "SS" emblems from Ford in '95 because I bought one two years ago, and someone else bought one about the same time.

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    And by the way, it was on THIS message board that he posted a picture of the Body/Buck Tag. Yes, he had registered here to respond to an FYI ad somebody else posted about his ebay auction. That thread has since rolled off. I decoded the tag when it was posted. It was stamped with a "GT".

    His username is liracer (Long Island Racer).

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    Yep I think the buck tag should say SS not GT

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