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    didnt see anything
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    Not Likely to be Resolved? HAHA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken P View Post
    Not Likely to be Resolved? HAHA
    I'm with you on that!I think it is a conspiracy to create insanity.



    Or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken P View Post
    Not Likely to be Resolved? HAHA
    Could be, could be.

    Mine (all 5 speeds):

    85 Capri RS with TTops (5.0) - 4NLR
    83 Capri RS with TTops (2.3T) - NLR (space) 4
    85 GT with Sunroof (5.0) - 2NLR
    85 GT hatch (5.0, no TTops or sunroof) - NLR (space) 4
    88 GT hatch (5.0) - [no NLR on tag]
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinK View Post
    NLR, how about something related to the lower rocker trim? It would not seem likely to call out something that is an option and say "no" option. For something that seems to fairly common, it would not seem to be a customer specific delete option.

    NLR, how about non-locking rear?
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    mt 82 gt has both, heres the tags
    Look at the lower of the 2 tags in ttopmustangs post - "ROAD ABRASION" didn't some lower rocker panels have some sort of road abrasion surfacing applied to them while others didn't? Maybe this is the code.
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    I know Mike (negsum) brought this up a while back about the louvers. This site is probably incorrect as 'FOXCHASIS' pointed out in the LL vs NLR code....


    http://cma.itgo.com/news10v4.html


    The question I have is - could you physically order a car with louvers or were they just a dealer bought item that you installed once back at the dealership. If you could in fact order them with a car, it would be intersting to see a factory ordered louvers car's buck tag.

    I just don't know if you could actually order louvers and was that part of a factory build process instead of a dealership aftermarket ford item that was installed after the fact?

    It would be intersting to see some build sheets with the NLR vs the same kind of car with no NLR. Mike's (negsum) car and mine are practically identical as Mike pointed out in one of his first posts on this thread except for the NLR tag, but I cannot access the car at this time to look for a build sheet. i think the only differenct in my car vs. Mike's is that mine has a factory sunroof which has nothing to do the NLR code from a previous post above. If I have time, I will also check my other 85 and 86 capri's soon.

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    maybe only the solid roof cars...Non Leaking Roof..lol

    I do like Kens answer too....Not Likely to be Resolved?
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    Louvers were a factory option, hence the "LL" on the Buck Tag. The Buck Tag is what the assembly line workers use to put the car together. And the Build Sheet too.

    If a dealer or owner installed something it wouldn't be on the Buck Tag or Build Sheet. Or the VC Label.

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    Louvers were not available on '83+ Capris or '85+ Mustangs. Why would there be a code on the Buck Tag for an option that was no longer available or installed at the factory?

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    I'm wondering if it may be some kind of an internal processing code and not necessarily something related to the actual car itself?

    When I visited the Hapeville plant here in Atlanta the main body sections were built in sub-assemblies in different departments / areas. They were then brought together and assembled into the main body structure at the "real" beginning or the production line.

    From there the hood, doors, and trunk were attached coming in from their respective areas prior to the primer dip tank.

    Maybe something like Normal Line Release? Since the core support / buck tag is attached as the first way to identify the assigned VIN to that specific body shell, which then gives color and options, it may dictate an order sequence?

    Having a number associated with it my be a shift ( day / night / weekend ) identifier?

    From my experience as Production Control Manager when we released work orders to the plant we built a "traveler". It was the primary envelope which held the work order itself along with order specific packaging labels and any special customer required paperwork / forms.

    As the order "traveled" through the steps in production each department added their required paperwork / information. The work order was a multi-part form and each department retained their page for internal record keeping. Since we were building aircraft parts it was a redundant feature for our required lot traceability / quality control.

    In the case of our cars we have the build sheets that are quite often left in the car in various locations. The build sheet is also just one page of a multi-part form so there was obviously other internal paperwork that was retained by Ford for each vehicle produced.

    I guess I'm just thinking out loud. My basic point is that all the data on the buck tag may not be vehicle specific.

    Someone like Kevin Marti may be able to help. But then again he is having trouble deciphering the internal Ford paperwork trail now himself.

    Maybe it's the intials / signature of the person who stamped out the tag itself? HAHAHA
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxChassis View Post
    RA = road abrasion
    I just thought that maybe the lower rocker panels with the Road Abrasion code might have an this code (NLR) to identify which lower rocker part was to be used.

    The ones without the RA had a different code (or none at all).
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    How many rocker panel parts were there? And what was the difference?

    When lacking RA/LBP, what code was different (or missing)?

    Urathane Lower Bodyside Protection supposedly became standard in '85, yet some '85 and '86 Buck Tags have the NLR code and some do not.

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    Is it a 100% sure LL is lift gate louver ?

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    Im kind of leaning towards KenP theory.When the bodies were assembled they didnt stay in that particular order all thru to final assembly.Im almost positive nothing on the bucktag is shift related.Why i was asking about LL being liftgate louver is because it seems to me that would be on the build sheet and not the bucktag.A build sheet was assigned to a car at our plant only after it left paint and im pretty sure its like that in all plants.At my plant they were always a big storage in body shop a storage going into paint and another after it left paint getting ready to head to trim and in trim is where the build sheets were added

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    where else could i look for this tag?
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    Just for a comparison here is an SVO tag that I have saved as an example. I do not own this SVO. In the place where the "NLR" is normally located this tag reads "EI". Remember all SVOs came standard with the modified rocker molding to attach to the spats.

    I figured I'd just confuse things a little more?

    This is also an early build ( 10/83 ) slapper bar SVO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxChassis View Post
    How many rocker panel parts were there? And what was the difference?
    There are at least two parts to the rocker assembly. There is the inner that ties to the floorboard and then the outer skin. If the outer is to have the rocker trim it may be pre-drilled for placement of the rocker moulding clips / pop rivets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greg302stang
    Is it a 100% sure LL is lift gate louver ?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken P View Post
    Just for a comparison here is an SVO tag that I have saved as an example. I do not own this SVO. In the place where the "NLR" is normally located this tag reads "EI". Remember all SVOs came standard with the modified rocker molding to attach to the spats.

    I figured I'd just confuse things a little more?

    This is also an early build ( 10/83 ) slapper bar SVO.
    EI = electronic injection

    Buck Tags from Turbo GTs, Turbo RSes, and G.T.350s have that same code and the NLR code.

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    Default Good question for Jeopardy?

    I'll take "What is NLR on buck tags" for $1000 Alex...

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    Wow it's about time somone responds to my post! And here i thought I was being ignored.
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    This is a tag pulled from a junkyard car. 86 GT vert. No further information about the vehicle. Door sticker was gone. The car was a shell. No NLR on tag.
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    I forgot Buck Tags from all '86 5.0L Capris and Mustangs should have "EI" too. The '84/'85 5.0L CFI models should have "CI".

    Looking through the '83 Turbo RS tags that I have, none of them have "EI".
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    82 Black Magic tag, no NLR
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