What exactly is a left thermactor? I know the thermactor is the smog pump, and it has TAD and TAB solenoids, but beyond that I'm lost as to what a "left thermactor" is.
What exactly is a left thermactor? I know the thermactor is the smog pump, and it has TAD and TAB solenoids, but beyond that I'm lost as to what a "left thermactor" is.
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Did you...
1. Fix the EGR malfunction.
2. Clear the fault codes.
3. Bring the vehicle to operating temp.
4. Re-run the EEC's 'Quick Test'.
If not, do all of that FIRST.
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I replaced the EGR actuator dohickey with a spare I had kicking around at the same time as I replaced the computer. While doing so I of course had the negative cable disconnected for like half an hour so any codes would no longer be present. Then I took the car for a spin and came home and made lunch. Now I'm going to run a few errands and stop by my friend's shop & check the codes with the Snap-On scanner. I will run both KOEO and KOER.Originally Posted by FoxChassis
Oh wait, I did have the computer hooked up briefly when I ran the initial test, but I had to disconnect it when I actually installed it behind the kick panel. That was when I replaced the EGR dohickey. When I first swapped the computer I just had it laying on the passenger side floormat. Once I found it fixed the problem, it got installed properly.
So in short, I did 1,2, and 3 but I haven't gotten to 4 yet.
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Oh, and please state during which part(s) of the Quick Test you received which code(s)....
KOEO, CM (Continuous Memory), and or ER (Engine Running)
Ok, with the 1988 DA1 ECM installed I now getOriginally Posted by FoxChassis
Continuous - No codes present
KOEO - No codes present
KOER - 94 and 13
According to the scan tool 94 is RIGHT secondary air inoperative, and 13 is idle above specifications. (it idles at 1000 rpm, not 650-750) I told the scan tool it was hooked up to a 1986 Mustang 5.0.
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All my books say 94 = Secondary Air Injection system inoperative
None specify it's the "right"
(One says 44 is for the right side specifically)
I'd assume the whole system is out, not just 1/2
13 is the idle is Out Of Specs
Specifically the idle is too high during the low idle check and RPMs cannot be controlled indicating a possible IAC motor malfunction
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44 = Thermactor inoperative (right bank)
94 = Thermactor inoperative (left bank)
The ECM knows it's left or right because of the left or right HEGO readings when the Thermactor system is supposed to be functioning correctly.
...my scanner says 94 is inoperative Thermactor bank 2
2=left then eh...
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AHA!!!Originally Posted by FoxChassis
That is exactly what I was wondering about. If the computer was imputing that something was wrong with the thermactor system due to O2 sensor readings. My O2s are brand new Bosch direct replacements so I'm sure the computer is getting proper readings from them.
So my thermactor plumbing is probably all carboned up and not working right. Lovely.
So why did the Snap-On scanner say RIGHT? Very confusing.Originally Posted by slickshift
So like, what is up with all that plumbing anyway? There is the one tube that goes down to the H-pipe and feeds air into the cats but that is downstream from the 02s. Then there is that pipe that bolts to the back of the cylinder heads and does something or other that I never really thought much about before. What's the dealio with that thing?
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You're saying you need your pipes cleaned?
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44=right=bank 1 ?
94=left=bank 2 ?
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F'n A right I do, LOL.Originally Posted by slickshift
So like, what is up with all that plumbing anyway? There is the one tube that goes down to the H-pipe and feeds air into the cats but that is downstream from the 02s. Then there is that pipe that bolts to the back of the cylinder heads and does something or other that I never really thought much about before. What's the dealio with that thing?
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Depending on what the EEC wants it'll divert the air or bypass it (TAD and TAB)Originally Posted by frankiesaysrelax
That's the Golden Book Of Smog Crap version anyway
Sometimes it's better to pump it cat forward, sometimes cat rearward, sometimes just pump it out
I've got a text on it here somewhere
I'll scan it for you if I find it
If you remember I had the code 94 also, before I ripped out the exhaust
But I also had a KOEO 84 circut failure
So I just figgered that's why mine was not functioning properly
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The Thermactor system consists of:Originally Posted by frankiesaysrelax
Thermactor pump
TAB solenoid and valve
TAD solenoid and valve
rubber and metal air lines
vacuum lines
one-way check valves
(TAB = Thermactor Air Bypass, TAD = Thermactor Air Diverter)
The Thermactor pump ingests air and sends it to the TAB valve. Depending on engine operating conditions (operating temp., throttle position, EEC "mode", etc.), the TAB valve either dumps (bypasses) the air back to the atmosphere or sends it to the TAD valve. Depending on engine operating conditions, the TAD valve either diverts air to the cylinder heads (exhaust ports) or to the catalytic converters.
Yeah, that would make sense.Originally Posted by slickshift
Smog crap sucks.
So where do those holes in the back of the cylinder heads lead to? I assume the pump blows air into them and it somehow gets into the exhaust. Is there like some passage connecting those holes to each and every exhaust port?
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This page is about M-block heads, but I would assume the idea is the same.Originally Posted by frankiesaysrelax
http://home.earthlink.net/~bubbaf250/parts/pics03.html
So those passages or the crossover pipe itself must be plugged. How do you clean something like that?
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Ok, thanks Mick. I will have to pull the whole system apart one of these days and check it out. Sounds like something is carboned up and/or just worn out.Originally Posted by FoxChassis
I would assume the TAD and TAB solenoids themselves work, as the computer did not incicate a problem with them. It would know if they weren't working when it does KOEO, right?
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Hrrmmm...I think so.Originally Posted by frankiesaysrelax
They are actuators, which the ECM should energize while doing the Self-Test. I'd have to check the Probst manual to be sure.
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Solenoid circut failures should show up in the KOEOOriginally Posted by frankiesaysrelax
TAD=81 TAB=82
If the TAD is not diverting, or the TAB is not working, you would get a code 45 or 46 but only during the engine running test
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Ok, so it sounds like I have to just pull the system apart and inspect/clean it. Hopefully anyway.
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Not sure about the cleaning
Never had to dive into one
We haven't had an operational emmissions program in over 7 years
Back then it was just a sniffer
As long as the CEL wasn't on when they hooked it up you were fine
...I mean, if your tailpipe was clean
They didn't check for any stored codes like the new program does
...hell they didn't check for any cats like the new program does
(proving multiple times that a properly tuned 5.0 runs clean enough to pass a snif test w/o cats)
So I never had to fix any Thermactor codes...until now
I just had to make sure the tailpipe was clean
That's one of the reasons the GT is off the road right now
It hadn't occured to me to clean out the tubes, so I haven't
...let me know what you find
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Ok, I took off the Thermactor crossover pipe and BINGO, it was almost totally clogged. Hardly any air was getting to the left bank. I ran a brass brazing rod through it from both ends and blew it out with compressed air. Lots of carbonized crap came out. Then I decided to put the pipe in a vise and heat it to burn off the rest of the goo and make it nice and crumbly. It made a lot of smoke and flames when the flammable vapors caught fire. Actually it was pretty darn cool. Once I had heated the pipe from end to end and it was no longer smoking, I grabbed it with the jaws of a big wrench, tossed it on the driveway, and sprayed it with a hose. Then I hosed it out inside and blew out more carbon. After that, back to compressed air, then another rodding out with the brazing rod and a final compressed air blast.
Now I'm going to eat lunch and then reinstall the pipe.
I'd like to clean out the passages in the head, but I just don't see that happening without removing them.
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Sounds like fun
Now I'll have to try it
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Yeah, go for it.Originally Posted by slickshift
I reinstalled the pipe and then played with the idle screw a bit, trying to get rid of that stupid code 13. I noticed that if I backed it out all the way it really made no difference, but if I turned it in instead of raising the idle it would suddenly start surging up and down from 500 to 1500 rpm. I said OK, I bet the TPS is going over 1.00v due to some previous dumbass ricer TPS "mod". Evidence of this being holes pierced in the insulation of all three wires in multiple places. I loosened the screws, the TPS snapped back a bit, and I retightened them. Oooh lookie, I can adjust the idle now. (ISC disconnected of course) I then reset the idle to 750 rpm hot, went for a test drive, and it seems to be running great. I now have a nice stable 750 rpm idle too. Let's hope it stays that way.
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I felt for sure your IAC was pooched
Just shows to go ya
Them diagnostic codes can give you a hint but they don't tell you whats broke
You didn't get a TPS OOSpec code, and that was OOSpec for sure, prolly not "enough" for the ECU to spit up a trouble code
Enjoy your idle
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