What has our world come to? Sorry - bit of a rant :)

[Ken P]

It isn't over yet. I hope things don't get any worse but I suspect they will.

I'm putting my No Trespassing and Posted signs back up tomorrow. Had some problems a few years ago that required them. I am fully versed and have my Georgia Weapons Carry License. I know the laws.

Loaded and chambered.

[Ray Dog]

Watching uncontrol building fires Fri night, commented to wife, A DC10 fire bomber might put it out without endangering any fire personnel.
And disperse the crowd at the same time.

[mmb617]

How many of these looters do you think really care about the victim? They're just taking advantage of the situation to score some free stuff. That's just lack of basic humanity. We have entire neighborhoods in this country where nearly all of its residents will never have personal responsibility. The thought of getting a job and paying taxes and earning their way in life will never cross their minds. From birth, through their entire adult lives and passed on to their many kids, the thought of getting a job will never be part of their way of thinking. They live off of the system. Welfare, EBT cards, theft and hustling/drugs to make ends meet. They'll drive around all day in their hoopty cars looking for victims to steal from. When they have kids, they'll pass on this way of life to them and the cycle will continue.

I think this post gets to the very root of the problem. Children learn about the world by watching adults and when those adults are the kind of people described above, that's the behavior the children will exhibit as well when they grow up. I don't know what the solution is, or even if there is one.

I am fully versed and have my Georgia Weapons Carry License. I know the laws.

Loaded and chambered.

Same way I see it. When it comes right down to it I want to at least have a chance against those criminals who would endanger me personally.

[wraithracing]

I won't comment on any of the specific events in this thread as I don't think I can remain apolitical.

“The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment.”

I believe the quote above says so much about what is going on in our society today. For those paying attention, obviously we are not a true democracy. We are a Constitution Republic with representative democracy, but the same still holds true. I fear that the paths we are on politically, socially, economically, and spiritually are not sustainable long term.

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”

I hope and pray that We the People find our way and figure out how to live along side one another, respect one another, tolerate one another, and allow our differences to define us, but not separate us. The United States is not perfect and there are many things we can do better and should, but still we are a nation that has much to be proud of, much to stand for, and much that we should strive to be better at. Everyone stay safe and pray that we can get through these tough times.

[richpet]

Yup.

And ironically I think there will always be a core group of people like ourselves who can see this, decry and condemn the selfishness while taking responsibility, but have no way to stop the fright train's freewheel down the slope. None of us are perfect and we all have faults. But I doubt the looters think along these lines. If they did, they would not be doing what they're doing.

It doesn't help that if a non-white person is killed the knee-jerk reaction is to automatically assume racism. Our history has shown it to be frightfully common, yes. But it is not always the case. I do not like 'absolute' statements for that reason. In the driving classes I teach a lot of the PPTX slides have 'will/shall' etc - problem is there is always an exception so I always replace with 'should' type statements. And that exception should not be painted with the 'absolute' brush when it does not apply.

Before I get flamed for typing that, understand I wrote it in general, NOT about current news.

One other note - if the purpose of a protest is to raise awareness, induce change... Why was the violent destructive local protest here in Eugene organized to be at night? Criminals like the cover of darkness. Those wanting exposure/awareness choose daytime.

[xctasy]

I am a huge fan of FZ

haha which I just realized could stand for Fairmont/Zephyr lmao

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[gmatt]

A car cruise the next suburb over was canceled because they'd heard a riot was being planned there. REALLY? There are people who PLAN riots?! You can plan a protest, sure, but not a riot.

Just watched a video, undisclosed location, a city with an ongoing protest/riot. There is a pallet of bricks on the sidewalk that no one seems to know the purpose or where it came from, no construction site nearby. Co-incidence?

There was another video of a man in a black overcoat with a hood and a gas mask, also an umbrella to obscure his identity. He was using a hammer to break out the windows of an AutoZone store, I think it was in Minneapolis. After breaking the windows he calmly walks away while another person is spray painting 'free s**t' on the brick wall and he also walks away.

[gmatt]

Chicago now has a 9pm-6am curfew and public transportation has been halted effective 6:30 this evening. Suburbs all around me also have curfews. Sirens all day long as protesters/looters move from town to town.

[Dave9052]

Looters are cockroaches !!!!!!!!!

[kfxmatt]

Makes me sick watching this...we are a nation of laws.we better take control Of this and end it.no problem with hooting and showing your sign.but once You partake in violence u should be dealt with.real simple ... Can’t believe the mob is allowed to do this.its all these left wing layabouts with green and rainbow colored hair.antifa types

[richpet]

As I said in the very beginning. What have we become?

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[NAVYCAT]

are we better off now than what we were 3 years ago?..... just thinking out load!!!!!!! as the world is laughing at us.

[Rusty Bouqet]

I support the protests. There's nothing more American than protest, revolution and standing up to corrupted power.

[TNT]

The problem is that too many in elected office WANT this to go on. For some reason, they see an advantage to allowing the mob to destroy the cities they were elected to run. Too many elected officials with more teeth than neurons are ordering the cops to stand down and let the mob do as they wish. We even have celebrities and politicians donating to a gofundme to help bail out any rioters who get arrested. The daughter of the mayor of one of these cities was arrested earlier for crimes committed as part of the riot.

The Minneapolis mayor ordering the police to abandon the precinct is a prime example. That was the single STUPIDEST action they could have taken.

Giuliani had it right. Let the peaceful protesters do their thing. But the first criminal who throws a rock or breaks a window gets arrested. Then arrest the second and third thug until they get the message.

It's about the psychology of crowds. Very few in these crowds go there looking for trouble. But lately there are always a small group who are there solely to instigate. They are the ones bringing molotov cocktails, rocks, and bricks. If they get away with it and others see that, it encourages others to follow. But people are far less likely to copy some idiot they just saw dragged off in cuffs.

[Rusty Bouqet]

It's about the psychology of crowds. Very few in these crowds go there looking for trouble. But lately there are always a small group who are there solely to instigate. They are the ones bringing molotov cocktails, rocks, and bricks. If they get away with it and others see that, it encourages others to follow. But people are far less likely to copy some idiot they just saw dragged off in cuffs.

Replace the word "crowds" with "cops" and it's just as true.

[massacre]

Protesting violence by being violent
seems like that totally misses the point?

[Rusty Bouqet]

Protesting violence by being violent
seems like that totally misses the point?

It's only a small percentage of the protesters doing the stupid stuff. Just like it's only a small percentage of cops killing unarmed, non violent people. And it's about more than just the killings. It's against a system that holds minorities down at every level. I deal with it all the time, being the father of mixed race child, and grand children. There have been decades of "peaceful" protests, and it's got us nowhere. There have been a lot of poor decisions made by some of the more radical protesters, but they haven't killed anyone. But they did get the world talking about the reality of the "freedom" our colored brothers and sisters "enjoy" 150+ years after being "freed" in the civil war. I'm not condoning any violence from protesters, and especially cops. But what do you expect? This whole situation was easily predictable, at least by those who have been paying attention to the simmering frustrations of minorities. And it's not just here, it's pervasive through out the world. We're just #1 here in America...

[mmb617]

Let the peaceful protesters do their thing. But the first criminal who throws a rock or breaks a window gets arrested. Then arrest the second and third thug until they get the message.

It's about the psychology of crowds. Very few in these crowds go there looking for trouble. But lately there are always a small group who are there solely to instigate. They are the ones bringing molotov cocktails, rocks, and bricks. If they get away with it and others see that, it encourages others to follow. But people are far less likely to copy some idiot they just saw dragged off in cuffs.

I would agree except I'd like to see an even stronger response. In that riot scenario I think any policeman trying to make an arrest would be attacked by the mob. If the situation has deteriorated to the point that the criminals are setting cop cars and even police stations on fire, drastic measures are called for. I'd bring in the National Guard and let it be known that anyone seen looting or destroying property would be shot. I'll bet that would establish control.

[richpet]

Wow. Never thought I would hear someone actually imply that hurting an innocent is ok as long as it is to protest another innocent getting hurt.

Violent protest is not ok, sorry. If I work hard to get where I am and have ZERO to do with an issue, why should my rights to be free/safe, my property be destroyed, simply because of where I set up shop? What makes it right for me to receive that phone call:

'Sorry Sir. Your wife was killed today during a violent protest. No, she wasn't part of it. She happened to be a customer at at a targeted store (just by location). She tried to help an old lady that fell down and got hit in the head with a rock and killed her'.

There had to be a solution short of intentionally destroying a third parties property, life, security.

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[richpet]

Mmb617 I tend to think along the same lines.

We are a nation of rules/laws. That is what gives each of us the ability to exercise the freedoms we have here.

When you take those from someone there had to be a reaction.

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[SomeGuy]

Only 400 years of racism? That makes it sound like America invented racism. Mayhap reading a little history is in order for you. The pitfalls of “in group, out group” ( you know, the thing that makes ALL prejudices a thing) have been around since the dawn of time.



Nice try tho. Blame America first is such a worn out meme.

[richpet]

My guess is 6000 years of racism. Give it take.

But I am hoping to keep this civil.

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[ZephyrEFI]

Just watched a video, undisclosed location, a city with an ongoing protest/riot. There is a pallet of bricks on the sidewalk that no one seems to know the purpose or where it came from, no construction site nearby. Co-incidence?

There was another video of a man in a black overcoat with a hood and a gas mask, also an umbrella to obscure his identity. He was using a hammer to break out the windows of an AutoZone store, I think it was in Minneapolis. After breaking the windows he calmly walks away while another person is spray painting 'free s**t' on the brick wall and he also walks away.

Yeah, that Autozone is very close to a Target my wife has worked at MANY times. She was thinking about making it her home store. Not now!

Those people who instigate and then walk away when the consequences come down are the real trash.

[TNT]

I would agree except I'd like to see an even stronger response. In that riot scenario I think any policeman trying to make an arrest would be attacked by the mob. If the situation has deteriorated to the point that the criminals are setting cop cars and even police stations on fire, drastic measures are called for. I'd bring in the National Guard and let it be known that anyone seen looting or destroying property would be shot. I'll bet that would establish control.

You're right that it won't work now. I was talking about what should have been done when this BS started.

Now it's going to take arresting busloads of the morons. That or we need to build "scoops" like in the movie Soylent Green.

[TNT]

It's only a small percentage of the protesters doing the stupid stuff. Just like it's only a small percentage of cops killing unarmed, non violent people. And it's about more than just the killings. It's against a system that holds minorities down at every level. I deal with it all the time, being the father of mixed race child, and grand children. There have been decades of "peaceful" protests, and it's got us nowhere. There have been a lot of poor decisions made by some of the more radical protesters, but they haven't killed anyone. But they did get the world talking about the reality of the "freedom" our colored brothers and sisters "enjoy" 150+ years after being "freed" in the civil war. I'm not condoning any violence from protesters, and especially cops. But what do you expect? This whole situation was easily predictable, at least by those who have been paying attention to the simmering frustrations of minorities. And it's not just here, it's pervasive through out the world. We're just #1 here in America...

Oh, they didn't kill anybody??

https://www.foxnews.com/us/federal-l...est-identified

Stop getting your "news" from black LIES matter.