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    Great progress, Darran! How'd you clean up the air cleaner assembly?

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    I'm curious, what cycle do you run the washer on to clean the parts. Must make some kind of racket on agitate.


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    Dishwasher works well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STANGMAN116 View Post
    , man i am so excited to see the progress on the car, its very exciting to see it coming apart and parts getting cleaned up!!!!! Great work buddy
    You and me both Fidel. Slowly but surely. No wonder the Tangerine car job was counted in years

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    I'm curious, what cycle do you run the washer on to clean the parts. Must make some kind of racket on agitate.

    Quote Originally Posted by erratic50 View Post
    Dishwasher works well.
    Luckily for me I am allowed to use the single sink in the basement laundry room for washing parts up - or at least without much complaint to date I only use the washing machine and dryer tops as a drying rack (so far)

    Quote Originally Posted by jlehma13 View Post
    Great progress, Darran! How'd you clean up the air cleaner assembly?
    Jon, Most engine parts get solvent washes first. For parts like this or interior parts I will typically start with dish soap. If parts are greasier, I will use some TSP (Tri-sodium phosphate) mixed in to the water.

    For the air cleaner, it didn't quite come out good enough with the basics. It looked to be bare aluminum and not coated so I tried a corrosive rim cleaner. It did a decent job. This stuff cannot be left on to dry or too long or it leaves inconsistencies.



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    Default Steer me in the right direction

    Our other 79 it was obvious we had a TRW rack in it by various observations.

    For some reason on this car, I am a little confused. I thought this was a replacement but now am unsure.

    We have a factory tagged SPR-AH rack:


    http://s1337.photobucket.com/user/82...keeek.jpg.html

    According to the parts book, by the SPR tag this should be a TRW rack. By the dates if factory still, this should be a "Ford" gear as this car was assembled late in the 79 model year.


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    To me it looks like a two piece. I did not know Ford made two piece, only the solid one piece. This rack also is three turns lock to lock, not 2-1/2 that the TRW is.

    My plan is to look to hopefully order a rebuild unit but I need to confirm which one I would need. I may need to actually send this one in for rebuild...




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    Here are visual of the other early SPR-M TRW we have:


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    A lot of the pictures are not posting correctly, but that appears to be a TRW rack to me. Besides, Ford used the TRW rack up thru the 82 model. I had one in a solid roof 82 GT that was original. Not sure what the book is stating, but I have definitely seen TRW racks in several 79-82 Foxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wraithracing View Post
    A lot of the pictures are not posting correctly, but that appears to be a TRW rack to me. Besides, Ford used the TRW rack up thru the 82 model. I had one in a solid roof 82 GT that was original. Not sure what the book is stating, but I have definitely seen TRW racks in several 79-82 Foxes.
    Trey, it looks like a TRW rack to me also. It is the three turns lock to lock that seems to be throwing me. I thought the TRW were all 2.5 lock to lock and the Ford were 3 with the different ratios they had?

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    see below

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    Ford lumped in the ratios in its shop manuals. Stock was 20:1 ratio. The steering gear is ex Cam Gears/Adwest, dating back to the first Ford Capri and Ford Granada (the Euroean ones). Jensen and Aston Martin had 13.7:1 ratio versions, Leyland had an Australian TF Cortina ratio. Ford decided to back off to 20:1 on its TF Cortina, Mustang II, Fox and Mercury Capri II versions. Internally, its the same. The Leyland / Unipart version of the Burman/Cam Gears/Alford&Adler rack for the Triumph TR7 V8 and Rover 3500 was 2.75 turns lock to lock, but the same. The clamping arrangment and lhd/rhd configuration was all that differed.





    Its wrongly listed as a variable ratio, mistakenly misinterpreted as it was either 20-15:1 from the Ford supply literature. First 20:1 in the 1977 Mustang II and 1975 Mercury Capri II, they all used the same TRW built optional powerd rack. Similar to the Chevrolet Chevette item.

    In 1984, it was upgeared to 15:1.

    All TRW's were fixed ratio 20:1 with stock 3.25 turns lock to lock, but it varied to as little as 3 turns lock to lock nominal. In a Chevette, its 2.9 turns .

    Turns lock to lock can be different based on a few other matters.

    Rack limiters meant the 20 and 15:1 ratio steering weren't constant turns lock to lock, so you later car could be 2.25 or 2.5 or 2.75 turns lock to lock depending on model. The rack limiters were for generally for the Gaterbacks and modern tires...the TRX's had plenty of clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 82GTforME View Post
    Trey, it looks like a TRW rack to me also. It is the three turns lock to lock that seems to be throwing me. I thought the TRW were all 2.5 lock to lock and the Ford were 3 with the different ratios they had?

    For the images...I am putting the additional direct web links to my Photobucket images in my posts in case they break the hosted links to the [IMG] images again. That way they could still be viewed as long as PB still has them. You should be able to click that and go to directly to my PB library.
    I have never seen a 2.5 Turn LtL TRW rack, all the ones I have seen/used were @ 3 Turn LtL. The Ford rack was the improved 15:1 ratio that started out as 2.5 and ultimately became 2.25 as the wheels/tires got wider and more rack limiters were added.

    Gotcha on the photo links. I knew I could click on them, but it appeared they didn't attach properly. I was in a hurry so I didn't click on the links.
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    Speaking of rack limiters...when and if I get my pile back running, I need to stop the rubbing...any pics of how the rack limiters are installed and work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wraithracing View Post
    I have never seen a 2.5 Turn LtL TRW rack, all the ones I have seen/used were @ 3 Turn LtL. The Ford rack was the improved 15:1 ratio that started out as 2.5 and ultimately became 2.25 as the wheels/tires got wider and more rack limiters were added.
    Quote Originally Posted by xctasy View Post
    All TRW's were fixed ratio 20:1 with stock 3.25 turns lock to lock, but it varied to as little as 3 turns lock to lock nominal.

    Thanks Ectasy and Trey for clarifying and the added information. Clearly not all racks are the same
    And clearly in my head I mixed up the two racks and the number of turns. At least I can start getting a plan together now. Based on a recent thread, these have to be sent in for rebuild. Maybe that's a good idea and I can ensure it does not get painted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onetrackrider View Post
    On a good note it has one fine interior..
    Quote Originally Posted by STANGMAN116 View Post
    The dash pad was perfect!!!!
    You are right guys!

    As I wind down the engine and engine compartment I am moving onto some interior.

    This is a very nice feature:




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    Judging by the screws attaching the dash it looks as thought the heater core or something may have been accessed.


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    Default Door lock

    The driver's door lock had been drilled out and needs to be replaced.

    Hopefully a stock replacement can be easily found locally, online or the JY and they can be rekeyed. I do not think I need to replace the set.



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    I don't think either of these door panels have ever been removed before.


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    Very clean and rust free


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    Quote Originally Posted by droopie85gt View Post
    Speaking of rack limiters...when and if I get my pile back running, I need to stop the rubbing...any pics of how the rack limiters are installed and work?
    The rack limiters are installed inside of the inner tie rod end. Essentially they snap over the teeth in the rack and hit the inside of the case when turning lock to lock. This prevents the rack from traveling any more in that direction. You have to remove the clamp for the inner boot on the housing and then turn the wheel all the way to that side to gain access to the limiters. Hope that helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 82GTforME View Post
    The driver's door lock had been drilled out and needs to be replaced.

    Hopefully a stock replacement can be easily found locally, online or the JY and they can be rekeyed. I do not think I need to replace the set.
    The only issue you will have with yours most likely will be finding a spare door cylinder that uses the ignition key. Yours should be the single key system where the doors and the ignition are the same. I believe the door cylinders from the 70's model Ford trucks and probably others will work. You will most likely need to change out the arm/bracket attached to the back of the cylinder to work in your Mustang, but I believe that is about it. Any good locksmith should be able to key the new cylinder to match the other side. I think that covers most of it, but I am sure I missed something. Good Luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wraithracing View Post
    The only issue you will have with yours most likely will be finding a spare door cylinder that uses the ignition key. Yours should be the single key system where the doors and the ignition are the same. I believe the door cylinders from the 70's model Ford trucks and probably others will work. You will most likely need to change out the arm/bracket attached to the back of the cylinder to work in your Mustang, but I believe that is about it. Any good locksmith should be able to key the new cylinder to match the other side. I think that covers most of it, but I am sure I missed something. Good Luck!
    Thanks Trey! I never thought about the door locks being the same as the ignition but the other coupe has it also. The trunk and the glove box are different keys.

    I will put a new lock cylinder on my wish list

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    Default Inward on onward!

    Quote Originally Posted by 82GTforME View Post
    As I wind down the engine and engine compartment I am moving onto some interior.
    With having just finished a 79, working on the majority of the interior has become relatively easy.

    It took no time to have it down to this.


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    Some similarities and positives in relation to the last project:

    1. The headliner had mainly dropped so I pulled the vinyl but left the board in for now.



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    Positive is no mice compared to the last one!



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    2. Rear seat insulation.


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    This was the previous one and the mice damage!


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    3. Package shelf.

    Package shelf has speaker holes pre-drilled compared to the Tangerine Machine!


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    http://s1337.photobucket.com/user/82...2992a.jpg.html

    Looks like it will only require some color touch up!


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    All of this above will save me time in the long run!

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    With the last of the interior out, I gave the carpet a vacuum and then pulled it out to look underneath.

    I must say, I cannot be anymore happy with the overall look upon first inspection. This reminds me of how nice the Tangerine 79 floors were

    While the factory tar coating looks to be cracked and stretched and some detached under the rear seat, it is in overall great condition!



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    I found a similar tag that the Tangerine Machine had also. Must be for the carpet style and model?



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    Quote Originally Posted by wraithracing View Post
    The rack limiters are installed inside of the inner tie rod end. Essentially they snap over the teeth in the rack and hit the inside of the case when turning lock to lock. This prevents the rack from traveling any more in that direction. You have to remove the clamp for the inner boot on the housing and then turn the wheel all the way to that side to gain access to the limiters. Hope that helps.
    Thanks! It never dawned on me they go inside the inner tie rod boot. LOL I saw a video on 50resto.


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    That dash pad and the door panels are pristine! I'm jealous. My dash pad is thankfully covered by one of those carpet deals...it is uglier than hell!
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    Default Trunk quick look.

    The trunk carpet was in fine shape as is the cover board. No spills or moisture damage. After I get everything cleaned up better, I will fully access my plan. Due to no mice damage, rust or anything else, I can see no reason to repaint this or go to the extent like I did on the other car. The only issue would be some of the factory tar coating goes over the hump into the trunk and is bleeding brown a bit as it deteriorates.


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    The spare tire looks to have never been disturbed. It is flat and now misshapen due to gravity. This spare is different than the spare that was our the other 79. This car was TRX equipped, the other had 13" steel wheels stock. It seems I am missing a lug wrench. Where do they get stored when they come from the factory? On top of the spare?


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    Man sooooooo clean!!!!!!

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    Jack:
    Have same spare tire and nut assy, 79/TRX.
    Jacking instructions should show stow position of folding jack/wrench handle on top of jack under tire.
    Jacks are all the same according to NPD.
    Have car's jack wrench stowed loose in on board toolbox.
    Bought a nice folding 4 way from Menards for lugs. Have used a 18v impact to power the jack.

    Paper:
    Paper sticker is peel off liner from door tire pressure decal, ID code D9ZC-1532-AA.

    Locks:
    New door lock cylinders are available at chain parts stores, Rock Auto. Not expensive.
    Result is 3 keys (ign, doors, trunk/glove) or 2 if both door cyl are rekeyed to match ign.
    Or 4 keys if all locks are different.

    Racks:
    Rack dates, from 12/1/78 and 4/1/79, means TRW or Ford version racks were installed starting on 4/1/79.
    Until 4/1/79, only TRW racks were installed. Which plants? All at once? M/C, F/Z?
    No 'to' date on that particular page for later version TRW rack, indicates two rack types were available starting 4/1/79.
    A 'to' would mean a cut off date, for a running change or a discontinued item.
    'Before' and 'From....' would have a superseding part number posted.
    'From' (only) is a new part added to production.

    Picture at the rack work station, Friday, 12/1/78, a line change-over day.
    The cut off point for using those two particular TRW racks. 'Early, late'. Maybe during, or before shift start.
    Foreman would instruct workers to start using 'new' part. Once told, we not allowed to use up old stock if any left.
    Leftovers, now NOS, were taken away from production area, sent back to warehouse tagged as service parts.
    For 79 model year, Ford rack became available later in model year 4/1/79.
    Either Ford or 'later' version TRW (12/1/7 could have been installed in the car starting 4/1/79.
    All cars prior to 12/1/78 had 'early' version TRW racks, mine included (10/7.
    Total 3 different racks were used in 1979. TRW 'early', TRW 'late', and starting 4/1/79, Ford.

    That is why i changed to '83 Ford sport rack. Matching pump, hoses, too. Type F, no special brand.
    No whining, hisses, anytime, any weather whatsoever. Did a quick install time purge that's it.
    OE TRW rack 1 wore out.
    Reman TRW rack 2 had issues from day 1 no matter what i did.
    Reman Ford rack 3 fine since day 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gr79 View Post
    Jack:
    Have same spare tire and nut assy, 79/TRX.
    Jacking instructions should show stow position of folding jack/wrench handle on top of jack under tire.
    Jacks are all the same according to NPD.
    Have car's jack wrench stowed loose in on board toolbox.
    Bought a nice folding 4 way from Menards for lugs. Have used a 18v impact to power the jack.

    Paper:
    Paper sticker is peel off liner from door tire pressure decal, ID code D9ZC-1532-AA.

    Locks:
    New door lock cylinders are available at chain parts stores, Rock Auto. Not expensive.
    Result is 3 keys (ign, doors, trunk/glove) or 2 if both door cyl are rekeyed to match ign.
    Or 4 keys if all locks are different.

    Racks:
    Rack dates, from 12/1/78 and 4/1/79, means TRW or Ford version racks were installed starting on 4/1/79.
    Until 4/1/79, only TRW racks were installed. Which plants? All at once? M/C, F/Z?
    No 'to' date on that particular page for later version TRW rack, indicates two rack types were available starting 4/1/79.
    A 'to' would mean a cut off date, for a running change or a discontinued item.
    'Before' and 'From....' would have a superseding part number posted.
    'From' (only) is a new part added to production.

    Picture at the rack work station, Friday, 12/1/78, a line change-over day.
    The cut off point for using those two particular TRW racks. 'Early, late'. Maybe during, or before shift start.
    Foreman would instruct workers to start using 'new' part. Once told, we not allowed to use up old stock if any left.
    Leftovers, now NOS, were taken away from production area, sent back to warehouse tagged as service parts.
    For 79 model year, Ford rack became available later in model year 4/1/79.
    Either Ford or 'later' version TRW (12/1/7 could have been installed in the car starting 4/1/79.
    All cars prior to 12/1/78 had 'early' version TRW racks, mine included (10/7.
    Total 3 different racks were used in 1979. TRW 'early', TRW 'late', and starting 4/1/79, Ford.

    That is why i changed to '83 Ford sport rack. Matching pump, hoses, too. Type F, no special brand.
    No whining, hisses, anytime, any weather whatsoever. Did a quick install time purge that's it.
    OE TRW rack 1 wore out.
    Reman TRW rack 2 had issues from day 1 no matter what i did.
    Reman Ford rack 3 fine since day 1.
    gr79; Thanks for all the insights!

    I looked at the jacking and spare label on the spare tire cover and it does not show the lug wrench. Only the jack, spare, retainer disc, wing nut and cover. If the wrenches are all the same I should have a spare lug wrench around. Just not sure where they were officially stored from new. The tire is definitely different than the one on our early San Jose car. I'll get some comparison pics one day once I have this spare out and stowed.

    My part manual is a late 80's "final" version so not sure if the cut off dates are accurate for the racks. The one off this car is definitely a SPR-AH but should have been updated on 4-2-79 (this car's build date is July 6, 79). Your explanation on the assembly line make sense for cut off and changes.

    I do not know if this rack really needs rebuilding or replacing but I'd rather not take the chance after restoring the rest of the car. I'm torn about updating to the Ford rack for originality sake. I am going to look locally to see if there are any places that still may rebuild. Second to that look into sending to Cardone for rebuild. Third would be to update to the Ford rack, pump and lines.

    Time will tell soon. Stay tuned!

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