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    I don't want a Charger. But if they can have it, why can't we? Because Hackett is a lamea$$.

    You know the GT is on the chopping block. Especially when its factory closes. Probably never to return as long as the bean counters are in charge. The Raptor is just another insanely expensive pickup.

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    Those suv, m-ute, whatever they are, commercials are stupid with annoying music like all the others.
    Two or more cars zig zag dodging poles and each other in a parking garage.
    Driving too fast crazy in a desert. Donuts in a street. Then jam on the brakes to see what it is.
    Or if its a calm grill end road shot, is plastered with lease price and fine print, as exciting as a mattress sale ad.

    Promote safety, force customers to buy it, then show dangerous stunt driving.
    Aggressive ads showing what the product is best at. Reasons to buy it. The more the better mind set.
    Who cares what it looks like or costs. Its just another dull colored 400 hp gadget filled money pit transport pod.

    All the options to make waiting at the school pickup zone a time to do office work, chat, or shop online.

    Chargers are used by govts for patrol duty, bigger vehicles, now more commonly used, carry the canine units.
    The bigger the unit, the more distracting flashing blinding lights they can pile onto it.

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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-the-hot-seat

    Aw, what a shame! Hackett's leadership isn't working out for Ford? I can't believe it! If he made one bad decision, I'd say it calls all of his decisions into question...


    Also, bit of a tangent, but I enjoyed this.

    https://jalopnik.com/gm-just-stopped...e-c-1839204475

    So sad for Chevy! This just really doesn't look good for them.

    A highlight: "But the usage of cheaper labor in Mexico is one of the most contentious parts of the UAW’s relationship with GM, as the company chose to build the Blazer in Ramos Arizpe instead of at an idled facility in the United States like Lordstown. GM, for its part, says the company made plans to build the Blazer in Mexico before it canceled the Cruze and put the future of the Lordstown plant in question." Whoopsie!

    Maybe this will help a certain someone see Ford isn't the only one doing this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrEFI View Post
    The Raptor is just another insanely expensive pickup.
    The F150 is the best truck on the market and the Raptor is a damn good price for what you get. The Raptor MSRP is less than the F150 King Ranch, Platinum and Limited. When was the last time a factory high performance vehicle (Shelby, SVO, SVT) etc was cheap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrEFI View Post
    I can't believe it! If he made one bad decision, I'd say it calls all of his decisions into question...
    Do you hold yourself to that standard? Seriously.

    Already said Hackett isn't a good leader but he's not a dictator and the board or Ford family can put him out anytime. But Ford usually waits until the good old boys run the company down to the brink before they make a move if history is any indication.

    They're still not going to bring back your Focus.

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    Being less expensive than some other ludicrously overpriced F150 variants does NOT make it cheap.

    Why are you so focused on the Focus? I'm saying this strategy as a whole is bad, is going to blow up in Hackett's face, and will hurt the company, long term. I want a Focus, yes, but I'm not the only person that counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xctasy View Post
    Ford USA has certainly learned the ways of Ford Australia.....the high volume 70 000 per year for 33 years Falcon became the Australian X Taxi, and adding a Mod 4 cam 5.4 V8 to a basic BLT burger didn't improve the re-sale value. After 1960 to 2016 production, Ford only had left a cheap supply of corn husks which no one wanted. The Japanese sucker punched Ford Australia into trying to tie up its plant with cost consuming, low return sales volume, which is what a two or four door three box sedan always is. But that's okay, one bitten, twice shy. Edsel B Ford got Fords trukin' House in order, and folding green is in Ford South East Asias pocket from both its plants and Mazdas because of the sales to Island Right Hand drive nations that used to buy Toyota SR5 HiLux's.

    Fords Mustang REALLY killed low performance Jap Celica's and Supras and everything else which was cheap and didn't perform. 14 second factory quarter miles with just a 3.7 liter six or sub 13's with a 5.0 liter V8.

    Fords Australian Falcon proved that Camry's and Skylines and Stageas were under engined, unreliable cars like the old English Mark 1, 2,3 and 4 Zephyr sixes were to island nations and the old South Africa and Rhodesia.

    And lemme tell ya some un tendered info. In line six and V6 Tojos and Nessan's are not worth a knobb of goat turds when 23 years old and you have to rebuild them. Neither are Falcons but specialty car Mustangs and even Couriers and Mazda based Rangers we had from 2000 to 2012 hold value as an SUV . Ford has seen the future.

    The weird as BAT SH!+ Thailand made four door crew cab Ranger down here is the same as the Mustang, a high sale price value added product with some real residual Redbook value.



    Although a subway base, and a corn corb to add flecks of inspiration, it will always have residual value. Down here, it out sells everything, and its what everyone drives, and if you don't like Fords, you can dress it up with BT50 Mazda badges, made from the same Thailand plant next door to Fords plant.

    No one except Toyota shifted 400000 four door cars a year, the grey slurry Four door thing is a product of a bygone era which started when South Bend Indiana's Studebaker put the front on the back of the 1947 Champion. Where did that take Studebaker? To insolvency.

    Three boxers are dead. Two box 1946 style cars which can mount a curb and not get stuck on a cinder shoulder is where its at.

    https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/202...JfGAYuWaadKkfU

    Finally, a 455 hp Coyote 5.0 Ranger....none of the stock 210 hp stuff




    Ford is secretly readying a high-performance Ranger Raptor super pickup complete with V8 power.

    The brand that sells more 4x4 pickups than any other is gearing up to shift the goalposts of load-lugging performance by replacing the four-cylinder diesel engine fitted to the Ford Ranger Raptor with a Ford Mustang-spec 5.0-litre V8.

    Rather than a global project, the top-secret V8 Raptor project has been sanctioned by Ford Australia and will be the result of a local engineering effort.

    But instead of utilising the 1000-strong local workforce that helped create the T6 architecture that underpins the Ranger and Everest, the project is being farmed out to an external engineering firm.
    Just like the M1 headed BMW 745i, the 302 Windsor Ford Capri Perana, the XR8 Merkur (Ford Sierra 5.0) and Chev Z/28 engine-ed Chevrolet Firenza CanAm, yet again, the South Africans were first with the best engine tune, in this case a 5.0 V8 as an aftermarket Peter Lindenberg conversion, with 660 hp, 608 lb-ft. The RTR 5.0 660 Ranger.

    Hold-on tight 2020 vision is awesome!

    See http://www.topgear.co.za/finally-raptor-ranger-sa/




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    When does the Hella Goodie four door, 5 liter V8 BOSS option come out?

    Its here!

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    Default GM hohum electric crossovers

    https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...bs/4564108002/

    Crossover= unibody, SUV= frame platform

    Body shop is in Hamtramck, general assy in Detroit. On same property.
    Spending 2.2 billion to retool plant for iffy premature tech EV product line.
    Again apparently little or no money spent on styling.
    What happened to GM's (and others) Design studios?
    Or cost controls to benefit customers?

    Get rid of current workers. Then hire new and temps at lower wage. The usual downside of working for the big 3.
    Transfer to another plant far away to stay with company or take the layoff and lose your job.

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    Cost comparison guesses, thoughts
    std power vs electric
    the energy storage part looks to be the huge difference in added cost
    on top of the auto driving system tech and component cost

    body, interior- a wash
    power train- gas engine, trans, axles vs electric motors, controls, wiring- same or less.
    tires-same
    braking system?

    gas tank- steel stamping, fill with gasoline vs electric holding tank (battery) fill with electricity
    cost 10x or more than steel or plastic tank to do same basic job of storing energy.

    Dealers will still need mechanics to service old and new, but there will be dedicated software techs added to workforce.
    How will aftermarket handle high tech electrical parts? Or repairs in general?
    For low production vehicles. And probably ones that will not be strangers to ongoing major design changes.

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    Fusion looks to be continuing as a lifted wagon.

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...n-wagon-spied/

    Hell, at this point it's better than nothing. I know I poo-poo'ed the Focus Activ right away, but who knew they'd actually go through with the stupidest idea ever and kill all their cars. I wouldn't mind seeing the Focus Activ in this market at all now. Plus, I've wanted the Mondeo wagon here all along.

    THAT SAID, does Hackett not know that Buick just crapped out on their similar Regal wagon product? What makes them think theirs will succeed where others have failed? Too far along to quit now? FULL SPEED AHEAD!

    All I can say is, so far, THIS is the result of Hackett's leadership:

    https://www.ccn.com/why-bankruptcy-f...motor-company/
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    Ahha thanks Z. Good posts lead me to other links as always.

    In January 2019, Hackett sent an email to Ford employees that read, "2018 was mediocre by any standard. Yes, we made $7 billion last year. But think of it this way: this represents a 4.4 percent operating margin, about half what we believe is an appropriate margin. So we are aiming for much closer to $14 billion.

    We? 7 billion is mediocre?

    Drunk on huge profits and spending from past sales, now facing a financial hangover?
    Are higher margins like making sure wont run out of 'booze'?
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-to-five-years

    When you cut to the bone, no meat left for error, fuel progress, sustain operations. All you have left is bones.
    Most of us worked for companies like that. The beginning of the end unless attitude is changed in time.

    But what about this? https://www.freep.com/story/money/bu...ion/994867002/
    https://www.wired.com/story/why-ford...train-station/

    And sound problem solving? "Satisfy an old need in an entirely new way?" Key word= old.
    Is/was 'old' bad enough to totally discard- which got you there and sustains you?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_thinking
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_design

    Design Thinking. Service Design. Proven concepts?
    Designers in the product loop.
    How many know how to interpret this philosophy in order to be on the same page at Ford?
    Simply going with the program, not really understanding what or how, but saving their job.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_thinking (application section)

    Design Thinking. Marketing. How humans experience a product.
    Don't survey customers what to build for them. It is prob what not to build.
    Dreamers with no real concept of what they are saying or asking for.
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    Default Bob Lutz Talks Tesla & GM EVs On Autoline Network

    https://cleantechnica.com/2019/10/19...oline-network/

    Autoline tv show from 10/19/19 on YouTube well worth watching. 1 hour 23 minutes.
    This show covers a wide variety of current automotive goings on with none rambling content.

    In a panel interview on Autoline Afterhours, Bob Lutz, former GM Vice Chair, weighed in on Tesla, among other topics. Frank Markus of MotorTrend, Gary Vasilah of Automotive Design & Production, and John McElroy of Autoline TV rounded out the panel.

    Interesting take of what the auto industry is..
    Bob Lutz shares rare insider look of current changes have, are, will, whys that go on with the auto industry.
    Has long auto industry top management experience at Ford, FCA, GM. Will be 88 in a few weeks.
    Funny candid, eating snacks and blowing his nose on camera.
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    "Design Thinking". Just sounds like an arbitrary combination of words he decided to use to sound smart and like he has some cohesive plan. Like he's not totally winging it. Ugh. Reminds me of when I worked for this big company, and the higher ups would grace us with their presence. They'd start talking and the meaningless buzzwords would start flying almost immediately. They can't help it. My eyes would glaze over, and I'd just check out.
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    Has anyone seen the new focus and fiesta sold everywhere else? I just cant see why they are not sold here.... they say that they cant compete with the competition sedans, well with ugly designs in the past I can see why
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    Agreed. Factory mgmt directions changed in the 90's. The start of doing 'two' jobs employment. The wage gap.
    Called 'increase of productivity'. Same pay or less, more work.
    Most of the so called 'high labor costs' are upper mgmt salaries. Line workers do not cost 60.00/hr. Pretty slick wording spin.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen
    'Stealing' employee suggestions, mgmt taking credit for them, implementing good ones, not compensating line workers for the savings.
    Working in the last factory, most thought Kaizen, lean mfg, foreign concepts did not work well in the US enviro or to worker advantage.
    Mgmt simply quotes facts, relying on numbers. You could sense them trying to sell something.
    Was either follow the lead and buy into it or hit the road. Hit the numbers. Shoot from the hip. Live for the day.
    After daily shop floor meetings, workers just roll their eyes and do what they can or want to anyway.
    They never did that at Ford, Chrysler or GM back when. Clock in, start working at the bell/buzzer. No bs, less stress.

    Maybe we should cut H some slack. If Bill Ford likes him, then there is more to the man. Let Hackett hack at it.
    Got to be a tough go with no automotive background. Sensing a down to earth attitude, a plus.
    Mary Barra is a GM lifer with background much more consistent to qualify her position. Dynamic down to earth attitude. Shops at Target.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...tt/2952001002/

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    If you're running well below the market avg, yep, that's mediocre at best.



    Quote Originally Posted by gr79 View Post
    Ahha thanks Z. Good posts lead me to other links as always.

    In January 2019, Hackett sent an email to Ford employees that read, "2018 was mediocre by any standard. Yes, we made $7 billion last year. But think of it this way: this represents a 4.4 percent operating margin, about half what we believe is an appropriate margin. So we are aiming for much closer to $14 billion.

    We? 7 billion is mediocre?

    Drunk on huge profits and spending from past sales, now facing a financial hangover?
    Are higher margins like making sure wont run out of 'booze'?
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-to-five-years

    When you cut to the bone, no meat left for error, fuel progress, sustain operations. All you have left is bones.
    Most of us worked for companies like that. The beginning of the end unless attitude is changed in time.

    But what about this? https://www.freep.com/story/money/bu...ion/994867002/
    https://www.wired.com/story/why-ford...train-station/

    And sound problem solving? "Satisfy an old need in an entirely new way?" Key word= old.
    Is/was 'old' bad enough to totally discard- which got you there and sustains you?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_thinking
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_design

    Design Thinking. Service Design. Proven concepts?
    Designers in the product loop.
    How many know how to interpret this philosophy in order to be on the same page at Ford?
    Simply going with the program, not really understanding what or how, but saving their job.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_thinking (application section)

    Design Thinking. Marketing. How humans experience a product.
    Don't survey customers what to build for them. It is prob what not to build.
    Dreamers with no real concept of what they are saying or asking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAVYCAT View Post
    Has anyone seen the new focus and fiesta sold everywhere else? I just cant see why they are not sold here.... they say that they cant compete with the competition sedans, well with ugly designs in the past I can see why
    Yeah, it's INSANE.

    Ford loved shooting themselves in the foot when it came to small cars in the past. No wonder they couldn't compete. They're going to have to pay bigtime over that DSG disaster now too. Idiots. The One Ford Focus and Fiesta are sweet if you don't count that damned auto.

    If Hackett is in the wrong job, he should acknowledge it and bow out, not drag the company down with him. He may have trouble getting another job, but it's not like he'll ever be hurting for money. And Bill Ford showed the quality of his decision making when he was steering the ship himself in the early 2000s.

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    If you place all your eggs into truck, suv's and electric......then what happens when there is (and will happen again) when there is a war over there? price of oil goes up and oh hell! people are buying small eco gas cars.... remember 1974?????
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    Default GM says it will build an all electric 1000 hp 2021 Hummer

    Is one reason GM is spending $2.2 billion to retool its Detroit-Hamtramck assembly.
    They used to make the Volt there.
    But 11,500 pound-feet of torque and 0-60 in 3 sec? Kind of mystified at this. That's hummin'.

    https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...it/4614774002/

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAVYCAT View Post
    If you place all your eggs into truck, suv's and electric......then what happens when there is (and will happen again) when there is a war over there? price of oil goes up and oh hell! people are buying small eco gas cars.... remember 1974?????
    How about 2008? And then they claim they're going to get all the efficiency they need with half-baked electrics. All I have to say is this:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...se/3772890002/
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    Default more battery thoughts

    I hope battery fire trucks, ambulances, ships, trains, airplanes, are a long way off.
    Vehicle battery charging takes time and has to be planned ahead of time. Especially if parked for a charging window.
    This can be a quick routine like pulling into a gas station or tool battery change, or be disabled and down for hours.
    Batteries perform great when fresh and broken in. Drawback is lifespan, maybe weight, tech baggage.

    Like the cop car, many times at work, electric forklifts would run out of juice when busy. Usually had low battery warnings.
    Required stopping task or plan chance to leave department and drive back to the battery charging area.
    Most of the time and if available, we used downtime to get another battery or truck.

    Worked 4 employers that leased electric and propane material handling equipment.
    -Large 24/7 Large OEM warehouse had changeable lead acid batteries, changing equipment, spare batteries. 20 fork trucks. All electric.
    -Large 24/7 Large Tier 1 factory (much larger global company than the warehouse employer) had no system to change out batteries.
    20 trucks, tuggers, turrents, floor sweeper no propane. They believe material handling is a liability. What a BS attitude.
    -Small Tier 1 shop, two electric, three propane. Slower pace, electric lasted two shifts. Charge overnite, use propanes on 3rd shift.
    -Small aftermarket auto parts warehouse, propane forklift, electric picker. One shift, no issues.

    Either change out the battery or, if not designed to be quick changed, get another truck.
    And hope one was at the station with somewhat of a charge or cause a temp production department 'line down' situation.
    Some times would luck out and a hilo was finished or nearly done charging. Get it before someone else did.
    Many times had to interrupt the charging cycle that was barely started or less than 1/2 full. No choice. Had work piling up.
    Spent more time fussing with fixed style hilo batteries. Batteries that could be entirely changed out were no problem.
    At the OEM warehouse, we had 2 batteries for each forklift. One in service, one on charge. 10-15 minute downtime total.

    Recharge of mobile equipment batteries requires returning to a specific area to do the operation unless a generator is on board.
    Fixed batteries are DIY plug in. No matter if in a phone, car, or industrial equipment. Simplest but most time consuming.
    Entire changing out of very large batteries requires training and expensive special equipment. 10's of 1000.00's dollars.
    We were assigned the same forklift at the warehouse. Batteries could be changed out in same time as filling car with gas.
    At the large factory job, there was no equipment to change out batteries. Constant musical chairs with machines.
    Even affected operations due to lack of equipment available. And this stuff was new and quality brands.

    No guarantee a quick charge on most battery types will last as long as a full charge, big or small.
    I have 9.6v Ridgid NiMh power tool batteries that can be charged in 20 minutes full charge. For real, long lasting use and stow.
    Cells last me 10 years, lifetime guarantee they have honored. NiCad, LiIon, Lipo no way compare to that here.
    I keep at least 24 AAA, AA, several 9v alkaline and rechargable AA AAA NiMh on hand.
    The older the battery, the faster it drains, no matter how long the charge time is. Worn out, hold very little of a charge.

    Again, if a battery can be or could have been changed out in a few minutes like a AA cell or propane tank, different ballgame.
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    Yep, lots of things to consider. Charge life, battery life, battery disposal, AVAILABILITY OF CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE... I was on a trip last weekend, and I'll tell you, I didn't see many "EV charging" signs along the highway. You'd have to plan pretty carefully. Who knows if you could even find any once you get to your destination!

    But hey, you know, things are going so great, no reason to change direction now, FULL SPEED AHEAD!!

    https://www.autoblog.com/2020/01/30/...zsXtcBHowqrnWX

    Jus' keep on cuttin' 'til there's nothin' left to fall back on!
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    The auto industry wanted easier emissions standards; it got chaos

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-aut...os-11580745826

    One can't help but wonder if Ford (and the other US automakers) still offered more balanced, diverse line-ups, if they would still be so concerned about this. If they still offered efficient small cars OR large, powerful trucks, they could get ahead of whichever way the industry standards go. BUT NOPE, they've put all their eggs in one basket, so now they need to know as soon as possible whether they're going to need to scramble to put out more electrics, of if they can stick to the status quo and make big bucks on big trucks. Way to go, idiots.
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    Thanks for posting the article. I was unaware of the negotiations with California or the Administration wanting to revoke their waver. This is one of many reasons why I despise my home state of communist California.

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