Are the brackets steel or aluminum?
Are the brackets steel or aluminum?
Jack Hidley
Maximum Motorsports Tech Support
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Mustangs Past: Too many to remember!
Current Mustangs:
1969 Mach 1
1979 Pace Car now 5.0/5 speed
1982 GT Stalled RestoModification
1984 SVO Still Waiting Restoration
1986 GT Under going Wide Body Conversion Currently
Current Capris:
1981 Capri Roller
1981 Capri Black Magic Roller Basket Case
1982 Capri RS 5.0/4spd T-top Full Restoration Stalled in TX
1984 Capri RS T-top Roller
1983-84 Gloy Racing Trans Am/IMSA Body Parts
I agree that they look like aluminum, but I wasn't sure. If they are aluminum, run away. They will be far too flexible. Being only 0.25" thick, they need to be steel. Even that is going to be about 40% more flexible than the 0.5" thick Ford OEM steel brackets.
Jack Hidley
Maximum Motorsports Tech Support
Trey
"I Don't build it hoping for your approval! I built it because it meets mine!"
"I've spent most of my money on Mustangs, racing, and women... the rest I just wasted."
Mustangs Past: Too many to remember!
Current Mustangs:
1969 Mach 1
1979 Pace Car now 5.0/5 speed
1982 GT Stalled RestoModification
1984 SVO Still Waiting Restoration
1986 GT Under going Wide Body Conversion Currently
Current Capris:
1981 Capri Roller
1981 Capri Black Magic Roller Basket Case
1982 Capri RS 5.0/4spd T-top Full Restoration Stalled in TX
1984 Capri RS T-top Roller
1983-84 Gloy Racing Trans Am/IMSA Body Parts
Looks like LMR has a new kit as well: https://lmr.com/item/LRS-23207986-K/...rsion-kit-7986
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The LMR kit uses NRC brackets which are 0.25" steel. They are reasonably stiff as they are bent with a 0.75" offset.
Jack Hidley
Maximum Motorsports Tech Support
Wish LMR had come out with that kit sooner, maybe before I bought all new drum brakes
Also - considering how well Ford did with designing the brake line setup …. Why the hell would anyone change it and make it so when you blow a hose you can’t just buy one for a 94 mustang ?!
Last edited by erratic50; 03-13-2022 at 02:28 PM.
I’d have concerns with trying to get rotors unless someone wants to mainstream the redrilled 4 lug cobra stuff
the brackets look like they are junk — north race car or originally Ford is advisable
Considering I only had $450 in an entire 8.8 with 3.55’s and new bearings and the rear disc setup I built using modified SN95 brake brackets calipers and caliper brackets with cougar rotors ….. a $650 kit probably isn’t a bargain
granted - it is easier than turning down axle ends like I did
but walk into a parts store and walk out with rotors ready to go on.
that’s why I personally didn’t go the redrill route
If I remember right Devon sold his complete 8.8 drum to drum with 2.73’s for $400 too. Talk about a bargain
Another kit out there which is new to me anyway:
https://foxbodybrakes.com/collections/brake-kits
OK, I've speed read all six pages but want to ask a question from a different direction.
I want to put a set of Koni shocks on my '84 but they don't make them anymore to fit. Only the 87-93. Has anyone ever thought of having the spindles machined narrower so the 87 - 93 struts will fit?
It's either this or I might as well replace whole front braking system.
Yes I realize a new system will greatly enhance braking, but the car isn't really driven hard any more. The current shocks and struts are well used and I've finally reached the point where Konis are affordable. I put them on a diesel New Beetle and was amazed how they worked for everyday driving.
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
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1984 20th Anniversary GT350
Almost "Stock"
OK, I've speed read all six pages but want to ask a question from a different direction.
I want to put a set of Koni shocks on my '84 but they don't make them anymore to fit. Only the 87-93. Has anyone ever thought of having the spindles machined narrower so the 87 - 93 struts will fit?
It's either this or I might as well replace whole front braking system.
Yes I realize a new system will greatly enhance braking, but the car isn't really driven hard any more. The current shocks and struts are well used and I've finally reached the point where Konis are affordable. I put them on a diesel New Beetle and was amazed how they worked for everyday driving.
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
Albert Einstein
1984 20th Anniversary GT350
Almost "Stock"
To modify the spindles, you are going to have to machine 1/8" off of each mounting surface. This means carefully jigging each spindle two times on a mill. This will require two passes on each side. Once with an end mill to cut the surface down, then a second pass to cut a radius into the edge where the new lower surface, meets the old higher surface.
By the time you are done with all of this, you will still have poor brakes and it will probably cost the same as installing used 1987-93 V8 spindles and brakes. If you find someone doing a 5-lug SN95 spindle swap, you can probably buy all of the parts off of them for $250.
Jack Hidley
Maximum Motorsports Tech Support
Decided to revisit this thread. The fact that the only way to get to 4 lug with decent brakes and good Ackerman is SVO/Continental spindles with balljoint adapters bothers me so I decided to start looking for bearing packs that are 4 lug and could work on a 94-95 spindle
Im in the very early stages of looking but here’s what I’ve found so far
Hub - Cougar / Contour
- Warranty: 1 Year Limited Warranty
- Unit of Measure: Each
- UPC: # 31447059696
- Material: Steel
- ABS Sensor Ring Included: Yes
- Flange Diameter (in): 5.354 Inch
- Flange Diameter (mm): 136mm
- Flange Offset (in): 2.027 Inch
- Flange Offset (mm): 51mm
- Hub Pilot Diameter (in): 2.91 Inch
- Hub Pilot Diameter (mm): 74mm
- New Or Remanufactured: New
- Flange Shape: Round
- Wiring Harness Included: No
- Greaseable: No
- Bearing Type: Ball
- Bolt Circle Diameter (in): 4.250 Inch
- Inner Ring Width (in): 0.83 Inch
- Outer Ring Width (in): 2.76 Inch
- Hub Centerbore Diameter (in): 4.251 Inch
- Driven Or Non-Driven: Non-Driven
- Gasket Or Seal Included: Yes
- ABS Sensor Ring Diameter (in): 3.268 Inch
- ABS Ring Type: Tone Ring
- Lug Bolts Included: Yes
- Number Of ABS Sensor Ring Teeth: 44
- ABS Sensor Included: No
- Number Of Mounting Bolts To Knuckle: 4
- Number Of Lug Bolts Included: 4
- Lug Bolt Thread Size: M12-1.50
- Total Hub Diameter (in): 5.354 Inch
- Total Hub Diameter (mm): 136mm
- Hub Centerbore Diameter (mm): 108mm
- Total Hub Height (in): 3.307 Inch
- Total Hub Height (mm): 84mm
- Number Of Flange Bolts Included: 4
- Flange Bolt Size (in): 1.259 Inch
- Flange Bolt Size (mm): 32mm
- Flange Bolt Thread Size: M12-1.50
94-2004 Mustang
- Warranty: 1 Year Limited Warranty
- Unit of Measure: Each
- UPC: # 848074002571
- Material: Steel
- ABS Sensor Ring Included: No
- Flange Diameter (in): 5.472 Inch
- Flange Diameter (mm): 139mm
- Flange Offset (in): 1.87 Inch
- Flange Offset (mm): 47mm
- Hub Pilot Diameter (in): 3.149 Inch
- Hub Pilot Diameter (mm): 80mm
- Wiring Harness Included: No
- Number Of Splines: 0
- Bearing Type: Ball
- Driven Or Non-Driven: Non-Driven
- ABS Sensor Ring Diameter (mm): 100mm
- Flange Bolts Included: No
- Number Of ABS Sensor Ring Teeth: 50
- ABS Sensor Included: No
- Number Of Mounting Bolts To Knuckle: 5
- Number Of Lug Bolts Included: 5
- Lug Bolt Thread Size: 1/2-20 Inch
- Total Hub Diameter (in): 5.472 Inch
Flange offset is probably manageable. 2.027 Cougar vs 1.87 Mustang. Slightly wider track width by 0.157”.
Caliper location would be indeterminate until a rotor is pinpointed that is similar enough to work with the SN95 front brake caliper or similar
The hub inner bore on the Cougar hub is too small for the Mustang spindle. Either machine the king pin or open the center bore to clear.
Worthwhile to look at how SN95 calipers mount vs other types of calipers too. Any time the part says Mustang the price doubles as I’ve proven by my rear brake design and working prototype compared to the kits out there.
Looks like Cougar front rotor is similar enough to be a direct fit on the Cougar hub once it is fitted
Cougar
- Warranty: 3 Year Limited Warranty
- Unit of Measure: Each
- UPC: # 77212080274
- Material: Cast Iron (G3000)
- ABS Sensor Ring Included: No
- Discard Thickness (mm): 22.2mm
- Outside Diameter (in): 10.94 Inch
- Outside Diameter (mm): 278mm
- Studs Included: No
- Center Hole Size (mm): 63mm
- Overall Height (mm): 46mm
- Center Hole Size (in): 2.511 Inch
- Discard Thickness (in): 0.874 Inch
- Overall Height (in): 1.84 Inch
- Inner Bearing Included: No
- Solid Or Vented: Vented
Mustang
- Warranty: 3 Year Limited Warranty
- Unit of Measure: Each
- UPC: # 77212151875
- Material: Cast Iron (G3000)
- ABS Sensor Ring Included: No
- Discard Thickness (mm): 24.7mm
- Outside Diameter (in): 10.86 Inch
- Outside Diameter (mm): 275mm
- Studs Included: No
- Center Hole Size (mm): 71mm
- Overall Height (mm): 46mm
- Center Hole Size (in): 2.799 Inch
- Discard Thickness (in): 0.974 Inch
- Overall Height (in): 1.82 Inch
- Inner Bearing Included: No
- Solid Or Vented: Vented
I question if that 0.08 of additional rotor diameter would hit anything …. I doubt it.
Much like my rear brake setup, this would change from foxbody wheels fitting hub centric to lug centric. A spacer ring could cure that problem
Looks very do-able
I do not have plans to build it right now but down the road, who knows
It occurred to me that if you run SN95 A arms in front and Tbird axles out back front wheel drive 4 lug rim/tire combos would work decent on a foxbody
Heck - the 00 Cougar rim/tire combo fits on the 8.8 setup I built while on the car already. They could use a good push outwards but they fit
After all these years I finally got a chance to drive my 85 Saleen build around the block. The SVO spindle with sn95 to SVO adapters setup I did for it is excellent.
This kit is worth mentioning
it is available as 4 or 5 lug and uses very common 1994-2004 SN95 rear brakes
https://foxbodybrakes.com/collection...39320814485615
Hmmmmmm. Look at what Foxbody Brakes has done now....
https://foxbodybrakes.com/products/4...ront-brake-kit
'85 GT
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