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    Michigan Truck Plant/Wayne Assembly/Michigan Assembly/Wayne Stamping Complex has a long truck and car history since the 50s.
    F Series, Bronco, Expedition, Focus, C-Max. New Ranger and new Bronco.
    Edsel, Ford/Mercury, Ford/Mercury full size, Maverick/Comet, Granada/Monarch, Lincoln Versailles, Escort/Lynx/EXP/LN7/Tracer.
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    1961 F-100. Looks smaller than new Ranger. A good looking pickup that needs no frills to do the job.
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    That picture brings back fond memories.

    Dad has a 1964 F100. I drove it thru high school and most of college. Still have it and hope to Resto Mod it in the near future. It is interesting how small that truck is compared to my 2004 F250 and the F150's of today.
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    There were 6-8 new Rangers at Overland Expo East 2 weeks ago available to test drive. All 4WD and all with serial numbers in the low 100's. Ford had a big display with lot's of Ford rep's at the event. I drove one.

    Colorado, Tacoma and Ranger. Don't get drunk and try and find your Ranger in the parking lot as all 3 look damn near alike!
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    I will need to see the new model Ranger before I can say for sure, but although it seems to look pretty decent, not too impressed with no optional engines and transmaissions (especially no manual trans), nor a regular cab version. When I heard that Ford was going to discontinue the Ranger, I factory ordered myself a new 2010. I have a F350 Dually 2wd V10 5 speed I use for towing my race car trailer, so I didn`t need another large truck. I have to commute thru city traffic, and parallel park downtown, so I chose a 2 wd XL regular cab, and got a 4 cylinder 5 speed for the gas mileage. Almost 9 years, and 137 K later, and I have no regets at all. I work at a Toyota dealership, and I much prefer the smaller size of my Ranger to the Toyota Tacoma, Chevy Canyon, Dodge Dakota "mid sized" trucks. Other than brakes, an alternator, and a set of spark plugs, have done nothing but oil changes. Considering how popular the "mini trucks" were in the 90s, kinda sad that the small truck market has disappeared.
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    Default Rangers in plant lot

    While out and about Sunday. Drove by Ford's Michigan Truck lot in Wayne MI.
    The main gate display truck was now Saber Orange.
    Once upon a time, one would buy a new model year car and get looks all the time.
    Now? Would never know what it is unless looking close at one next to you at a red light or parked somewhere.
    Much less if it is new or even guess at what year it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcfairmont View Post
    Considering how popular the "mini trucks" were in the 90s, kinda sad that the small truck market has disappeared.
    The small truck market did not disappear however the small truck did disappear.

    Like most everything else in America including Americans what everyone NOW considers a small truck just got BIGGER!
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    Small trucks got bigger.
    Bigger cars got smaller.
    Cost has gone up either way.

    Now, once easy to use items are now more complicated to use to do same task.
    Take simple telephones. Got small, much harder to use, glitchy, run out of power, go obsolete quickly.
    Most of the time 'smart' products waste more of our valuable time and money.
    One thing i can say is my 'smart' phone is a decent camera, note saver, flashlight.
    Never activated it as a phone.
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    I think they missed with this one.

    The design is kind of soft, drivetrain options are blah with no diesel yet, and they've priced it WAY too high, Toyota tacoma area..problem is its not as good looking as Toyota, and Ford can't touch the same reliability.

    Meanwhile I was looking at colorados and frontiers yesterday. You can score a brand new frontier for $17k and a brand new colorado which is a great looking truck for $18k brand new. Not sure who ford thinks they're fooling with the price tag, but that's going to come back and bite them.
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    Heres the problem, That Ranger design is over 10 years old! Why buy a old new truck at those prices! If you wait a few months there is an all NEW Dodge (ram) Dakota coming out and looks killer! IMO.
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    Pretty cool hiring passionate talent who know automotive design the way it was. There is hope.
    Do a world design, get ageneric look. Like making soup with everything good in it. Tastes and looks like nothing good.

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    Two 2021 Broncos. 6th gen.
    'Big', 28K-??K. Cool removable roof, doors, and other special goodies on Wayne MI Ranger chassis build.
    'Little', 25-40K Sport, using Escape chassis. 3 cyl std engine. Hermosillo, Sonora, Mexico plant.
    Ford tested a 2020 Bronco R Prototype at the 2019 Baja 1000.

    https://www.ford.com/suvs/bronco/2021/
    https://www.ford.com/suvs/bronco-spo...co-sport-base/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Bronco

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    Default 2022 Ford Maverick pickup?

    New ones coming to Ford dealers in 2021.
    With all the big headlines focused on other things most of the year, even local Detroit news has less than usual coverage of new products.
    The usual NAIAS auto show previews have always been this time of year here. 2020 and 2021 Detroit Auto Shows- Cancelled.

    Maverick- smaller than midsize Ranger and Bronco.
    Camo fake? grill and light package are unique looking.
    Interesting plant workstation picture details, overhead lighting config.

    https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/maverick

    2022 Ranger?


    Bronco Sport AWD CUV (C2 platform)
    https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...adlands-drive/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Bronco_Sport

    Bronco
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    Ranger (frame)
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    Hmmm......... As an owner of a 2019 I'm not liking the headlight/grill setup on the 2022 Ranger. Still haven't seen any "actual" pics of the Maverick.
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    My neighbor just bought one. Red, 3” lift kit, 17” wheels, window tint

    $44k list

    It has a 2.3 liter and he said it is way faster than his old 2008 F150 5.4.

    He said the dealer has a 100hp upgrade tune you can buy but not sure I believe that one.

    It’s actually pretty decent looking dressed up
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    The 2.3 turbo is pretty quick, 270hp stock. You can get it tuned for about a 50hp increase at least. Ford performance has an upgrade kit. I had a 2006 F150 with the 5.4 before the Ranger.
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    Default a new bidding game with chips?

    Wonder how long before Ranger line is shut down due to semiconductor shortage? If not already..
    That's what they get for adding all the glamor 'standard equipment' crap forced on customers buying vehicles.
    Plus everyday over complex non practical electronic throwaway gadgets in stores.
    Just because you can make it, do or say it, don't mean you should. Get real.
    The 'sky is the limit' electric everything bubble has burst. Shortsighted again.
    Two cent custom electronic cobweb items that cannot to be made in a vice, temp cobbled up, substituted, or bypassed.

    One little part or two. Stops the other 30,000 from doing anything. Yes you need a 5g phone more.
    That is not robust engineering. Durable? Practical? No one takes the blame as usual.
    What happens years down the road? No replacement parts?.
    Throw away or dump a 40 thousand dollar product every few years as if it were a broken flashlight?

    Will prob get worse. New semiconductor plants are not built overnight nor are planned.
    Lose more billions of lost sales and downtime costs. Shutting down lines like this is serious.
    OE suppliers who don't use semiconductors are hit too. Car carpet vendors, glass, paint, metal, rubber.
    And then they want to do electric cars with more electrical and automatic robot driving cars and trucks?
    Glad to have vehicles without any of that you-know-what.

    "Last week GM confirmed that would build some versions of the Chevrolet Silverado and the GMC Sierra without a fuel management module that improves mileage by about 1 mile per gallon. The chips cannot be added to the trucks after the fact, so they will be shipped to dealerships without the chips."
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    Quote Originally Posted by gr79 View Post
    New semiconductor plants are not built overnight nor are planned.
    Actually, Intel just announced that it's spending ~$20B to build two new semiconductor plants in Arizona, to come online in ~2024.

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/16573...-return-of-idf

    [on soapbox]
    Life will massively suck for many of us tech people, after there's no more anandtech. Thankfully, so far, anandtech has been doing okay and has remained "the same" after Anand Shimpi sold the company. To be competitive and remain profitable, it wasn't realistic to remain independent.
    A website that has real in depth tech, and isn't some BS shell that is mainly for having ads that look like articles, or is has some political BS slant. Wow, I must be dreaming!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gr79 View Post
    What happens years down the road? No replacement parts?.
    Throw away or dump a 40 thousand dollar product every few years as if it were a broken flashlight?
    Yes, that can-be/will-be an issue. All electronics "age". For chips, electromigration is one of the problems. On a very high level, that is where one section of the "transistor" has it's electrons/etc move onto another section of the "transistor".

    Like with all things, realistic cost sets limitations on how long something last. The 40+ year old Voyager space crafts are still humming along, even though they've been beating to ****** with radiation. But, that is with tech that is ~~~10,000 times slower than even a cheap $30 cell phone. And, that tech also can cost 10,000+ times more.

    So, want to spend ~$300,00 for a cell phone that could barely support a 1G(that no longer exists) cell phone connection, but may last for ~40+ years?
    (From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1G : As of 2021, a limited NMT service in Russia remains the only 1G cellular network still in operation.)
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    Yah V'Ger (Star Trek TMP '79). Electromigration is new to me. Read the wi ki.
    wow good stuff to read.
    I lost track of the site somehow over time relying on other internet sites to provide quick rundowns and reviews.
    I guess my bias and such is wrongly based on not really accepting digitized sound and odd LED/LCD tv picture characteristics.
    Wonder how many chips are on the Ever Given or tied up at the canal?
    Had no idea how many chip plants exist till now.
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    Chips. One thing i always do is take the covers off (open the hood) and see who's name is on the chips and parts.
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    Chipped the case corner but never missed a beat.

    It happens. Like the 2011 hard drive shortage caused by floods. Like the auto business, constant changes.
    Like my car and truck, update, maintain. Cannot scrap good working products that hold their own very well .
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    Default Ford Maverick pickup truck

    Here we go again. Profit vs content.
    Just cannot focus small and useful as before.
    hard and expensive to work on
    hybred? ok
    high msrp too many std options
    fwd- eh
    no regular cab or super cab
    crew cabs steal real good bed space. A bed is the reason for buying any pickup truck in the first place.
    if towing, buy the bigger truck. if hauling crew, buy the bigger truck.
    why haul 5 in a compact truck when a car or suv will do the same? Has it all, does nothing well?
    after loading it down with 'necessary' standard luxury amenities will not be useful as it could be.
    make it a std or extended cab 7' bed is a start.
    Prune back to a basic spartan pickup option work truck and 15k out the door. No carpet no a/c. lightweight.
    When buyer sees real cost of 'std' items, will not option them and keep cost down.

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    I read Ford will be shipping F-150s without auto start stop due to chip shortage. Ranger does that too.
    Another piece of tech crap invention to cover mandates. No one wants to buy this stuff so its standard equip.
    Saves fuel? Ha. What about replacement cost from accelerated wear on high tech alternators, starter, batteries?
    Would be something i would not want and a go-no go selling point.
    They make these trucks of aluminum then load them down with standard junk features we can easily live without.
    Excess electronic tech and its extra consumption of time overall for little benifit is ruining everything.
    If a driver cant steer a car manually, has no business driving on roads.
    Total automatic driving car systems cannot perceive nor plan like a human. Unsafe at any speed. Where is Nader?
    More man hours and huge money wasted trying to make something already done manually. And to fix them later.


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    I actually saw a new Ranger the other day. Ford needs to offer a no-option, rubber mat, roll-up window, stick version, like they did before. Very few want to spend $50K on a truck, its still a truck after all.

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    I don't disagree with anything that has been stated above. In regards to the 2021 Bronco (I know it's not a truck, but still built on the same basic architecture as the Ranger) Ford has somewhere around 190,000 reservations (I actually have one too that's been built, but sitting in Michigan) and of those reservations over 70% of orders are the upper trim models. Over 60% of all models have been ordered with the 2.7 V6 (and the required 10 speed automatic). Surprising only 18% are opting for the 7 speed transmission that is only available with the 2.3 Ecoboost 4 cyl. Only 27% of 2021 Broncos are the 2 door version too.

    So although there is a market for the lower trim, fewer options, manual transmission, etc. it is definitely the smaller percentage of orders in most cases these days. I am sure Ford would have more 7 speed orders if it was avaiable with the 2.7 V6. I will give Ford credit for offering the Sasquatch package on all trims and models after an outcry from the public. So they do listen, but generally only when it helps their bottom line.
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    No electric new Ranger like in the 90's? What happened to those? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger_EV
    I see new Rangers the time. They are made not far from me.
    The tailgate top is almost as high as F-150 tailgate. Where is the lift gate like on box trucks?
    Again, the crewcab (full size back seats) sucks up bed space.
    A long open bed is the main reason to own a pickup rather than car and trailer.
    The supercab was ok for sheltered storing space behind the front seats.
    A lawn service, needing extra seating for workers and towing, will not buy these. Who ya gonna haul?
    Ranger and Maverick pickups are tall. Not low like old Rangers and Rancheros or even F-150 of the last century.
    Oil shortage for chips and seat foam yet plenty of plastic oil is thrown out every day, costs too much to recycle it all.
    Chip shortage? hey build electric vehicles, 1000.00 phones, smart toasters, wifi fridge, in the name of higher profit margin.
    Use the limited supply of 10 cent or custom chips in high end items rather than practical uses.
    No wonder there is a general labor shortage. Dream tech work has sucked up manpower that other wise fills those jobs.
    Designing 100.00 car keys (if any at all). https://fordauthority.com/2020/09/20...ech-and-style/
    Safety safety safety green green green more more more faster faster faster money money money
    Car tire pressure monitors prob cost 500.00, if optioned, to take the place of a 10.00 gauge and bending over?
    If things were simple again, people would have more time to do the little things simpler like in the past.
    Storm power outs and street flooding? Been frequent around here this month. Cell towers knocked out.
    How will you charge a Mach E, F-150 Lightning, Chevy Bolt, when power is out for days and have to get to work or store?
    Most everything with a battery (even items with a charge meter) has unknown juice left like gas in a propane tank.
    Only gets worse if grid gets loaded by more electronic eggs in one basket. Stop the supersizing and micro shrinking of common items.
    Flat telephones that only can be heard in quiet environs holding it like a plate to the ear. Stupid. Too awkward to use productively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wraithracing View Post
    I don't disagree with anything that has been stated above. In regards to the 2021 Bronco (I know it's not a truck, but still built on the same basic architecture as the Ranger) Ford has somewhere around 190,000 reservations (I actually have one too that's been built, but sitting in Michigan) and of those reservations over 70% of orders are the upper trim models. Over 60% of all models have been ordered with the 2.7 V6 (and the required 10 speed automatic). Surprising only 18% are opting for the 7 speed transmission that is only available with the 2.3 Ecoboost 4 cyl. Only 27% of 2021 Broncos are the 2 door version too.

    So although there is a market for the lower trim, fewer options, manual transmission, etc. it is definitely the smaller percentage of orders in most cases these days. I am sure Ford would have more 7 speed orders if it was avaiable with the 2.7 V6. I will give Ford credit for offering the Sasquatch package on all trims and models after an outcry from the public. So they do listen, but generally only when it helps their bottom line.
    I read Ford was surprised by how many people DID opt for the manual. I think it's the only Ford left besides the Mustang you can even get one. My father in law is driving an '08 Escape with a manual. He's bought nothing but manuals for years, and he just this year had to finally give in when he ordered his new Maverick. Automatic only.
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    Default Congrads!

    Maverick auto will be nice. No more rowing. FWD clutch jobs can cost well over a grand. Lot of labor pulling engines.
    Both Bronco and Bronco Sport are good looking.
    Local news today showed Rangers and Broncos rolling down the Wayne MI MAP assy line. F-150 is built in Dearborn, MTP.
    Most missing parts and getting old sitting outside in the weather. Lots of extra security is needed to watch over them.
    In addition to those on Ford properties, others are in private back lots, at closed factories, and fenced open fields. Full of trucks all brands.
    Tough on hourly employees working on and off, nice vacations but not making the big money with benefits of a normal steady production year.
    Sadly some have to leave 'ship came in' employers and move on due to uncertain work scheduling and benefit coverage when off.
    Losing accumulated UAW seniority or being bumped is always upsetting but not talked about much.

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