hello,
my fairmont 3.3 vacuum lines are mostly not connected.
does anyone know what outlet goes to where, have some clear pics for illustrating. cars has no air pump in it an is an 1981 wagon
hello,
my fairmont 3.3 vacuum lines are mostly not connected.
does anyone know what outlet goes to where, have some clear pics for illustrating. cars has no air pump in it an is an 1981 wagon
Don't ever leave Four Eyed Pride. The information others have given me here has allowed me to conquer this sometimes bitchy, hard to fathom engine.
Your engine came with an air pump, it should have one, but hey, its your car. A 31 pound per hour air pump is easy to find in North America.
See the links below and you'll find all the names of the guys who helped me find out about my cars Emission Pipes when I came here in 2011.
My wife and her best friend were was always shocked how rauchy the 3.3 I6 sounds, but how latent, and unlike the very rapid Aussie versions of the same engine. She and her freind aggreed, and Shaz said to me..."Just put the the Aussie 4.1 liter engine we had in the 1984 Falcon in that light little 81 Mustang, and it'll be sensational!".
Well, I did the engine transfer and mockups, but it never legally got the Cross flow 250's 175 hp Propane engine my wife was used to.
Some back ground....
Okay, I'm a Engineering Technician who does Engine Component Design and Adaptors.
My background is onboard data logging for Road Safety.
I'm an Eccomodder, a US Ford lover, but I deal in old Log Headed engines.
When it says
It means I have the plans, pinouts, fabrication diagrams and specs for not only Eaton Supercharged and Turbocharged EECV 4.1'sXEC Ltd ICBE's Inter Continental Ballistic Engines-
FAZER 6Bi (M112 & EEC5) or FAZER 6Ti (GT3582 & EEC5) 425 HP 4.1L/250 I-6
FAZER 6V0 3x2-BBL Holley 188 HP 3.3L/200 I-6 or 235 HP 4.1L/250 I-6
X-Flow Engine Components Ltd http://www.xecltd.info/?rd=10
but 3 by 2-BBL Holley 188 HP 3.3L/200 I-6 or 235 HP 4.1L/250 I-6. And one kind of 4-bbl intake adaptor using two 2-bbl Holley carbs.
The horsepower ratings exist because I got someone local and independent to do the cam design and air flow modelling.
I put together a plan to make EFI Log headed engines in 2011, and got the first plans mocked up in 2014.
I've known the fickle nature of the in line and vee six Ford market for years. Everyone with an I6 wants to go fast, no one wants to pay for it. The fact that I don't have people beating down my doors for parts means that I'm All Hui* (hooey), No Doey
Its my fault, I like being stuck in New Zealand...A hui is a New Zealand term for a social gathering or assembly. Originally a Māori language word, it was used by Europeans as early as 1846 when referring to Māori gatherings - but is now increasingly used in New Zealand English to describe events that are not exclusively Māori.
In the early days, at 14 to 16, I was a service assistant at the local power supply company in my little town of Alexandra, and I did the regular services on Ford Transits, Escorts, Cortinas, and Falcons, and Holden H series one ton pickups. And Bedford J series trucks. And, would you believe, Toyotas and Land Rovers. Propane Conversions were done while I was there, and a whole host of service work. My old man was the purchasing officer, so he operated stores. So basically, because of that, I've dealt with everyting electronic, electrical, mechanical, and welded, cobbled together or junk yard raided virtually every foreign Ford.
The Ford trained service guy who taught me is still operating the local gas station in my hometown.
I do the stuff others talk about. But I sure as heck aint perfect.
The US 3.3 engine is basically a stubborn, oddly shaped, intrusive 1958 design cobled together in the Robert L McNamara era, and built down to the cent. It misses all the great stuff the FE V8 and 223/262 I6 engines had in those years, with quite a few extra faults as well.
In 1981, it has the best developed Emissions package of any Ford engine. It was clean, it idled properly start from freezing cold to warm (all earlier years didn't), and it was also to lamest engine ever because it had 85 hp from 78 to 80, then 94.5, 91, then 87 hp from 1981 to 1983.
This is the list of pictures and parts that should be here at the link below.
Its on another forum because the members there can cope with my 7 thousand in line six posts over almost 15 years (about 1000 posts were pruned back over five message board collapses).
https://fordsix.com/viewtopic.php?f=...591463#p591463
If you want a clean, non emissions hookup looking engine, then you just have to fit a YF Carter 1-bbl, and use the basic fittings like the enigine in post Post #8 » Tue Oct 04, 2016.
If you want it to work properly, then leave everything on it.
I use to drive a Propane 250 1984 Falcon Cross Flow six that did 15.9 second 1/4 miles with just the same head mike1157 uses in his Glia Monster. It takes 175 flywheel hp to do that in a 3100 pound automatic 250 Ford. Thats 84 hp more than yours has now. Most of that improvement is air flow management, but it was just a 25% bigger, 2-bbl 500 cfm carbed engine, and guys in the US make 205 hp, and do 15 second passes with just a 500 cfm C4 shifted Ford.
http://kastang.tripod.com/fsp/xecute.html
There may be a lot wrong with a 91 horspower American 1-bbl 3.3 Ford engine, but emissions system operation is not one of them.
The reason for the loss in performance with the 1981 91 hp 3.3 and 1972 to 1980 99 hp 4.1 US engines verses the stock 109-115 hp 2.8 Colgne V6, 116-119 hp 4.2 V8, and 137 to 210 hp 5.0's, and whatever horsepower the 4.9 EFI truck Six cylinder engine had is that the 3.3 (and the 1968 to 1980 4.1 ) was just a paper weight. It got progressively down graded component wise from birth, although the actual power rating never moved more than 5% since 1963. It might have been rated 125 hp Gross in 1963, but in 1983, its 87 hp net rating wasn't any different.
The 75 emission control devices, compression ratio changes, carb variations, and head casting alterations didn't hurt its power one bit.
In the Australian Falcons, the same 3.3 engine stayed at 114 to 121 hp net and 173 to 177 lb-ft, and did 17.9 to 18.5 second 1/4 miles in cars much heavier, making 29.4 US miles per gallon in the Aussie Cortina TF, and able to do low 17 second passes in the 2600 pound Cortina 3.3 S pack.
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4V (A)US Race V8's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqk18A-ibjA
ITZOLD 81 Fox http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...-fun-and-games
6V i6's @ http://www.xecltd.info/?rd=10 ; AWD i6's @ http://www.apetracing.co.nz/
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Future Shock https://youtu.be/rDKGkWU0lWQ
Okay, for the lines, what shoulda been there...see this.
myle860 was a Ford Six Member from way back when. He's had the same Golden 1981 3.3 C4 auto Mustang for ages, it got almost written off recently.
Here are some diagrams which might help.
http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...cuum-nightmare
http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...haust-air-tube
EGR, I'd not advice you how to unhook it
If your car is A/C, it'll have the orange Throttle Positioner, it should stay hooked up, but if you were to remove it....well, just ask and we'll tell ya!
You show us what you got left, we'll tell you what you can do...its your car....
Long term?:-
Foxy Capri de emissionised his by fitting headers and an Aussie M code 250 170HP 2V head.
Best option for you is to do a direct mount 2-bbl conversion, and see how easy it is to add a TBi unit.
See this.
http://www.therangerstation.com/tech...tbi-swap.shtml
Full list of wiring a 2.8 TBi system to a 2bbl 2.8 Ford Ranger 114 hp V6, basically the ages old 2.6/2.8 Carb Capri. Mustang II/ Fox 2.8 and Bronco II/Areostar engine.
Shows you how to did it without software mods.
The wiring...
Shows you how to lock a Ford distributor.
and how to transition the 2bbl Autolite2100/ Motorcraft 2150/ Holley 2300 Ford 2bbl mount to the 2bbl TBi throttle body.
Direct mount using Stanyons method.
http://vintage-vans.forumotion.com/t...00-log-milling
https://fordsix.com/viewtopic.php?f=...554386#p554386
Originally Posted by stanyon
And MPG Mustangs
https://fordsix.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=68406
Other options....
https://fordsix.com/viewtopic.php?f=...580587#p580587
Originally Posted by timray87
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About Respect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bk9WG8KWW0
X's Album http://vb.foureyedpride.com/album.php?albumid=2922
Oz JPS Stang http://www.nzmustang.com/Images/Hist...cecars/jps.htm
4V (A)US Race V8's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqk18A-ibjA
ITZOLD 81 Fox http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...-fun-and-games
6V i6's @ http://www.xecltd.info/?rd=10 ; AWD i6's @ http://www.apetracing.co.nz/
113 mph 84 5.0 at Amaroo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTezv3Pzdls&t=8s
Techno KCM Loop Out: Severed Heads 1m³ Angels 1985 https://youtu.be/Wll6G1KpLqQ
Future Shock https://youtu.be/rDKGkWU0lWQ
Hello,
thanks for the respond, I already found the thread "vacuum nightmare" but couldn't really understand clearly how the vac lines are routed
But here are some pictures of the engine bay as how it is sitting now.
As for how far i will go: as close to original as necessary for getting good driveability until i can do an efi conversion on it.
only problem i have is that i live in Belgium so all parts have to come from online shops... so finding them is sometimes hard.
some tubes that are closed up...
small tube is bend over where it normally goes i don't know, orange wire is cut and i don't know where it belongs...
exhaust system
some more pics with carb. (what type could it be?)
btw does anybody know where to find the steering coupling,its not engine related but feel bad making a thread just for that part
Very easy!
Half the job has been done already, so all you need do now is to buy good quaility blanking off caps, and go on a mission to plug leaks.
That engine has 1978 to 1979 T code VIN emissions, basically, the 1978 to 1979's were all similar, the carb lookes 1980 B code without A/C Throttle Solenoid.
B codes (1980 to 1982) and X codes (1983) were totally sorted emissions engines that were reliable and idled well, but all the stuff I have is B and X code. NO HELP FOR YOUR NEEEDS.
The T code is a TOTALLY different engine package emissions wise.
It had a very leak prone "bolt on the head , non integrated" EGR valve.
It had a poor idling carb with
no Item 53 Carburettor Throttle Solenoid Positioner
no Item 34, Anti Dieseling Valve/Idle Stop Solenoid)no anti Dieseling / VOTM
no Item 73 TK (Throttle Kicker)
no Item 87 VOTM : Vacuum Operated Throttle Modulator (Variation on 34 and 53 Carburettor Throttle Solenoid Positioner, 73 TK [Throttle Kicker])
no Item 93 Vac Switch Assembley (Like SOL V, only vac operated, Refer Item 33, Idle Boost Solenoid [Orange Knob on 81, 82, 83 A/C Equiped 3.3's]; used as a kind of Throttle Kicker Control [TK], but to contol base idle).
So the earlier carbs never really idled well.
Copy this. ponikorjaamo has done most of it too.
http://www.ponikorjaamo.com/ti80/holley1946.htm
1. Blank off the EGR by removing the whole valve, and place one of these hand made metal plates over it. Use the existing gasket as a template to seal it.
This how the 1976 yo 2004 New Zealand market Australian 3.3 and 4.1 liter cars with EGR were "de-emissionised"
Here is the brilliant Luke76 (He has sensational write ups on the emissions parts for his F150 truck, 1980 258 AMC Jeep), and who has a Granada with 250 engine, same cylinder head. The vacuum tee is capped off like .
Other side of the engine, also down to bare metal, ready for paint.
Engine after applying a coat of POR 15, then a second coat of engine enamel (the color coat). I still need to paint the top of my dipstick white. I didn't paint the head because it is going to be replaced anyway.
One of the many accessory brackets as it came off the engine.
Same bracket, cleaned, treated, and painted.
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For service items that weren't used in full emissions cars, Ford US supplied Allen Key/Hex headed "grub screws" to cover up non functional manifold vacuum ports.
Like Ford New Zealand did
These come in various sizes, and you can use them if you wish.
on Luke76's Granada, he kept the 3 hole Black TCV on the water/thermostat housing.
Its best to keep these two PVS Ported Vacuum Switches (1 and 2)
Colors vary, but the
1 Green DVCV Delayed Vacuum Control Valve
2 Blue TCVV Thermatically Controled Vent Valve
The 3rd is a Black SDV Spark Delay Valve, that stops the sprak advance when cold.
The two PVS swithces and SDV allow the engine to warm up.
https://fordsix.com//viewtopic.php?f=1&t=68598
Originally Posted by JackFishOriginally Posted by MrMootsie
Since the Ford list is for Fords trained service people, and not people like us, I use a 75 item name and claim it version of the list, which is based on a hard return, digitized version of http://myzephyrs.com/vac_part_name.htm
Item
8 BV: Bowl Vent (on top of the float tanks)
17 MAN VAC: Indicating Manifold vacuum-Vacuum source for brake booster
21 V VAC: short for Vacuum
35 S Spark Port
37 E EGR Port
need to be identified
V is the item Mootsie called the "Spark Valve connection high up on the driver's side. Large bore vacuum connection..."
Autozone, diagram Fig 28
For pre 1980, 17 is the port here by my hand
For 1980 to 1983, man vac 17 is on a hex port, capped off with a hex grub screw in 1bad6t's photos
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Oz JPS Stang http://www.nzmustang.com/Images/Hist...cecars/jps.htm
4V (A)US Race V8's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqk18A-ibjA
ITZOLD 81 Fox http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...-fun-and-games
6V i6's @ http://www.xecltd.info/?rd=10 ; AWD i6's @ http://www.apetracing.co.nz/
113 mph 84 5.0 at Amaroo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTezv3Pzdls&t=8s
Techno KCM Loop Out: Severed Heads 1m³ Angels 1985 https://youtu.be/Wll6G1KpLqQ
Future Shock https://youtu.be/rDKGkWU0lWQ
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About Respect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bk9WG8KWW0
X's Album http://vb.foureyedpride.com/album.php?albumid=2922
Oz JPS Stang http://www.nzmustang.com/Images/Hist...cecars/jps.htm
4V (A)US Race V8's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqk18A-ibjA
ITZOLD 81 Fox http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...-fun-and-games
6V i6's @ http://www.xecltd.info/?rd=10 ; AWD i6's @ http://www.apetracing.co.nz/
113 mph 84 5.0 at Amaroo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTezv3Pzdls&t=8s
Techno KCM Loop Out: Severed Heads 1m³ Angels 1985 https://youtu.be/Wll6G1KpLqQ
Future Shock https://youtu.be/rDKGkWU0lWQ
As long as the pipe at the head is bloked off, you'll be fine.
Originally Posted by xctasy
About Respect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bk9WG8KWW0
X's Album http://vb.foureyedpride.com/album.php?albumid=2922
Oz JPS Stang http://www.nzmustang.com/Images/Hist...cecars/jps.htm
4V (A)US Race V8's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqk18A-ibjA
ITZOLD 81 Fox http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...-fun-and-games
6V i6's @ http://www.xecltd.info/?rd=10 ; AWD i6's @ http://www.apetracing.co.nz/
113 mph 84 5.0 at Amaroo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTezv3Pzdls&t=8s
Techno KCM Loop Out: Severed Heads 1m³ Angels 1985 https://youtu.be/Wll6G1KpLqQ
Future Shock https://youtu.be/rDKGkWU0lWQ
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