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    Default Pace car build

    This is the start of my pace car build thread. I purchased this car in the 80's and sold it to my father in 1990. He owned it until he passed away and my uncle kept the car until last year. The deal was I had first right of refusal if he wanted to sell it. It sat in his unheated garage until last year when I purchased it back. The last 10 years were not kind to it [even though it looked good from 10' away] and it's now time for a rebuild.

    I started on the build a few months ago and will slowly add updated as time permits.

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    Finding good used doors for a 79 in Canada has proven difficult. This one was stripped and left to the elements. Don't try this at home.

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    It sounds like the car is back where it belongs. It's already a good story. I can't wait to see how it all turns out.

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    As you stated the PC looks good in the pictures. Hope everything goes well for you! Good Luck and keep the pictures and updates coming!
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    Most of the car is apart now and the work has begun on the body repair. Attached are some random pictures of the body disassembly and early repair work. I found rust in strange places on the car. Rust repairs I know are needed:
    Roof replacement.
    Door replacement
    The quarters were repaired and I will likely replace them.
    The fenders were replaced already.
    Repairs to the rocker panels. These were not as rusted as expected considering the sunroof drains go there.
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    Hello all, sorry for taking so long to update everyone. After removing everything, I found out the extent of the repair work. I repaired the floors which were in better condition than I expected. Once the floors were repaired, I installed Maximum motorsports sub frame connectors to keep the structure straight while i removed the body panels. The pictures below are during the welding process. No I don't have a lift or rotisserie and it makes this work difficult at best without them.
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    Once the floors and sub frame connectors were installed, I began repairing the frame rails. The driver's side looks worse than the passenger side.

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    I will try to upload more pictures shortly.
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    More pictures of the removal. The last picture is of the material list for the repair. I had a local sheet metal shop bend the required steel for less than $100 Canadian.
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    Here are some repair pictures.
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    Boy that brings back some bad memories. A lot of work but it can be done.

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    Yes if It hadn't been in the family so long I wouldn't have started the work.

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    Coming along nicely!

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    Hello all, I am further along than the pictures show. I will add some pictures of the frame rail repair followed by the floor boards. Let's start with the frame rail repair:
    In this section of pictures, you can see the inner section on the drivers side was also rusted. I had to fabricate an inner section made from 16 gauge steel bent at 90 Degrees and some 1 1/2" pipe. I have read different ways of doing this work and felt that this will mirror the original design more closely than hollow structural steel repairs.
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    I am only showing the drivers side as it was much worse than the passenger side. In this section of pictures, I welded the lower frame rail over this repair. Once it was complete, I cleaned it up and epoxy primed the engine compartment.
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    Now I have a question PLEASE. I managed to purchase NOS quarter panels. Although the ones on the car are not as bad as some, I decided that it would be a shame to replace partial sections considering what I paid for them. I have searched high and low and no one has replace the full quarter. Has anyone seen one replaced and if so, can they tell me where I can get information?

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    Good morning everyone. I was hoping someone could give me advice on a full quarter replacement. Please let me know before I make a decision.

    Patrick

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    I don't have any links to a full quarter replacement. I know there are some pictures of the process here on FEP, but you will have to search thru some of the build threads to find them. I don't believe any of them are step by step tutorials, but should help with the basic knowledge and ideas.

    A full quarter replacement on a Fox Mustang is not that different than a full quarter replacement on any hatchback or fastback vehicle. The quarter panel replacement itself will determine much of where and how you cut and replace. The OEM panel obviously seams at the sail panel to roof junction. Many people don't use that when replacing the panel and make the cut lower on the panel. I personally don't want multiple seams so I generally try to make the cut at the OEM seam when doing a full quarter. Obviously if sectioning the panel then all bets are off.

    I completely understanding using a full quarter as a replacement and don't blame you. That will give you the most original type look and repair. Although I will admit that if you only have a small section that needs to be replaced/repaired then you might seriously consider sectioning the panel rather than a full replacement. If sectioning you might consider some of the patch panels that are available or using a donor piece off another car and saving the full quarter for later or another vehicle.

    If you have specific questions in regard to the quarter replacement, I can try and answer or provide any help/insight to the process. Best of Luck!
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    Hi if you are going to modify that car, you will not need the original throttle cable, I will buy that from you. Just let me know. It is the green one in the picture below. Thanks!

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    Hello all, I haven't worked on the car much for the last week, we finally had nice weather and we are trying to get the yard ready for summer. A few updates for everyone and hopefully you will understand why I am asking about the full quarters. I have replaced full quarters in the past on other cars and it is usually long but straight forward. These ones are more "involved" to replace.

    First, my progress update:

    In this picture, I will show the quarter to roof factory weld location.

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    As you can see, to replace the quarters, the roof (or cutting a portion of) has to be removed. These are pictures of the quarter panel under the roof:

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    Although hard to tell, the quarter goes up to the roof in an over/under fashion. Part of the quarter goes under the rear roof brace while the rest goes over the side bracing. I am worried about cutting a quarter out and loosing structural integrity.

    Here is a picture of the NOS quarters.

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    I will take a better picture of the quarter later this week if all goes well. In the meantime, time for a quick spin in the Capri.

    Happy motoring.

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    Here are a few pictures of the top of the quarter and the roof section on the car. You can see the dilemma. It reminds me of the square body roof's, almost impossible to repair properly.
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    It is not impossible to replace, just very difficult.

    Any thoughts?

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    I do apologize for the upside down pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cougman67 View Post
    I do apologize for the upside down pictures.
    I tried correcting the pictures, but something about them keep causing them to post upside down in the forum. Sorry!
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    "I've spent most of my money on Mustangs, racing, and women... the rest I just wasted."

    Mustangs Past: Too many to remember!
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    1982 GT Awaiting Restoration
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    1986 GT Wrecked by PO, but still want to save!

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    1984 Capri Returned to Bubble Back Glory
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    In regards to the quarter panels . . . First I need to mention that your NOS quarter panels are 87-93 style as an FYI. Not a deal breaker, but if you weren't already aware the quarter window area is very different from your original panels and will require additional modifications to allow the re-installment of the original quarter windows and trim. I would also mention that you might want to consider finding some of the later 4 Eyed quarter window trim that use the clips rather than the folded over metal to help hold them in place.

    To do a full quarter replacement using the panels you have will require that you cut all the spot welds that hold the current panel in place and remove (obviously right! ). You will have to separate the overlapping metal by either moving the metal pieces completely to allow access or by prying up/out/etc to allow you to get the original panel out. It will most likely be a major PITA, but again it is doable. Just make sure you only do one side at a time until you have the new quarter burned back in to help prevent any tweaks to the unibody. Additional bracing or stays aren't a bad idea to make sure things don't move. You can also measure several point diagonally across the top and the body to use as reference before beginning to help verify your work and that everything is still in the right location.

    The other option that many use is to cut the quarter panel either at the leaded seam or below that and splice the quarter panel in at that location rather than do all the work for the area up above with the overlapping metal. Just looking at the pictures you have provided it appears the rust around and just below the leaded seam is mainly surface rust that could be removed, neutralized, and/or easily patched. The other benefit to this is in the area of the quarter glass. Although I am not a hug fan of replacing the quarter that low on the C pillar, doing so and leaving the existing quarter glass and all the trim as is will save you a TON of TIME & WORK!!!

    I assume you are installing quarters due to rust in the wheel arches, lower sections, etc. If not, then I would seriously consider patching the quarters as needed, installing a new/used roof skin and call it good. That will allow you to sell off your NOS panels if you want and recoup $$ for other areas of the project. Hope that helps! Good Luck!
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    ​Trey

    "I Don't build it hoping for your approval! I built it because it meets mine!"

    "I've spent most of my money on Mustangs, racing, and women... the rest I just wasted."

    Mustangs Past: Too many to remember!
    Current Mustangs:
    1969 Mach 1
    1979 Pace Car now 5.0/5 speed
    1982 GT Awaiting Restoration
    1984 SVO Restoration in Progress
    1986 GT Wrecked by PO, but still want to save!

    Current Capris:
    1982 Capri Roller
    1984 Capri Returned to Bubble Back Glory
    1983-84 Gloy Racing Trans Am/IMSA Body Parts
    1982 Capri RS 5.0 4spd T-tops

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    Quote Originally Posted by cougman67 View Post
    I do apologize for the upside down pictures.
    I didn't notice it...







    Quote Originally Posted by wraithracing View Post
    I tried correcting the pictures, but something about them keep causing them to post upside down in the forum. Sorry!

    You weren't far South enough Trey!

    Its the acceleromter postion when photoed over riding the orientation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xctasy View Post
    I didn't notice it...

    You weren't far South enough Trey!

    Its the acceleromter postion when photoed over riding the orientation.
    That must have been the case! The pictures were oriented correctly on my computer, but still posted upside down when I tried to correct. Then I flipped them on my computer to hopefully correct and they still posted upside down. Gotta love technology somedays! Thanks!
    ​Trey

    "I Don't build it hoping for your approval! I built it because it meets mine!"

    "I've spent most of my money on Mustangs, racing, and women... the rest I just wasted."

    Mustangs Past: Too many to remember!
    Current Mustangs:
    1969 Mach 1
    1979 Pace Car now 5.0/5 speed
    1982 GT Awaiting Restoration
    1984 SVO Restoration in Progress
    1986 GT Wrecked by PO, but still want to save!

    Current Capris:
    1982 Capri Roller
    1984 Capri Returned to Bubble Back Glory
    1983-84 Gloy Racing Trans Am/IMSA Body Parts
    1982 Capri RS 5.0 4spd T-tops

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    Quote Originally Posted by wraithracing View Post
    In regards to the quarter panels . . . First I need to mention that your NOS quarter panels are 87-93 style as an FYI. Not a deal breaker, but if you weren't already aware the quarter window area is very different from your original panels and will require additional modifications to allow the re-installment of the original quarter windows and trim. I would also mention that you might want to consider finding some of the later 4 Eyed quarter window trim that use the clips rather than the folded over metal to help hold them in place.

    To do a full quarter replacement using the panels you have will require that you cut all the spot welds that hold the current panel in place and remove (obviously right! ). You will have to separate the overlapping metal by either moving the metal pieces completely to allow access or by prying up/out/etc to allow you to get the original panel out. It will most likely be a major PITA, but again it is doable. Just make sure you only do one side at a time until you have the new quarter burned back in to help prevent any tweaks to the unibody. Additional bracing or stays aren't a bad idea to make sure things don't move. You can also measure several point diagonally across the top and the body to use as reference before beginning to help verify your work and that everything is still in the right location.

    The other option that many use is to cut the quarter panel either at the leaded seam or below that and splice the quarter panel in at that location rather than do all the work for the area up above with the overlapping metal. Just looking at the pictures you have provided it appears the rust around and just below the leaded seam is mainly surface rust that could be removed, neutralized, and/or easily patched. The other benefit to this is in the area of the quarter glass. Although I am not a hug fan of replacing the quarter that low on the C pillar, doing so and leaving the existing quarter glass and all the trim as is will save you a TON of TIME & WORK!!!

    I assume you are installing quarters due to rust in the wheel arches, lower sections, etc. If not, then I would seriously consider patching the quarters as needed, installing a new/used roof skin and call it good. That will allow you to sell off your NOS panels if you want and recoup $$ for other areas of the project. Hope that helps! Good Luck!
    This may not sound deep,.....but what Trey says....
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