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    Can't decide on which ones to go with.
    I'm leaning towards the the one with white piping and the diamond stich pattern. Going in a Pace car.

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    I also really like the British Racing Tan. Fairly close to the Ford Saddle Brown of the 11-14 cars

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    I think I agree, but please do one thing. Either delete the back seat or please have the back seat reupholstered to match the front ones. I absolutely hate seeing a really nice car, especially at a show, with the back seats nowhere close to matching the fronts. If you're spending the money for front seats then finish the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dagenham View Post
    I think I agree, but please do one thing. Either delete the back seat or please have the back seat reupholstered to match the front ones. I absolutely hate seeing a really nice car, especially at a show, with the back seats nowhere close to matching the fronts. If you're spending the money for front seats then finish the job.
    It will be a delete, no need for them at all.

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    Gotta say, to each their own but this style of seat is not my cup of tea. They look out of place in a 70's or 80's car in my opinion. Carry on....

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    Yeah, personal choice. Its the perenial concept about if your over sexin' your ride with seat too sporting for the image of the car. That's always the issue with 20" wheels verses 16's, or Modular Cammers verss hoary old OHV Windsor plant Small blocks.

    I love the black and white seats, but it has to be cloth, and I personally hate vinal/latherette/ Naugahyde.

    My opinion is nothing. Your car, and it'll be epic. I love the early 1974 Porsche Carrera Turbo seats and uppolstery. Blue and tartan inlay on the 930 Turbo 3.0 Europen versions was exceptional, but all the 1980's photos are still copy write. It might have been Rod Stewarts European Poerche 930 Turbo 2.7 or 3.0 import that had that combination. Generally, you find what you love, and run with it. Great seating adds an expectional, elevating dynamic to an already great car.

    Through the many international books on Lamborghinis, Poershces, Ferraris and Supercars of the 70's and 80's I oggled as a 7 to 17 year old kir, I've seen all the exotics from 1971 to date with sports seats, and really, nothing matches injection of proper racing seats into the common Fords. The Scheel or Recaro Geramn rear drive Mark II Escorts, European Capris and US Capri / Mustang seat options, and the Cobra Falcons and ESP Fairmont's of Australia from 1978-1983, they had it all worked out by Jack Talenack. Everyone else copied his lead from the European RS 2000 Escort interior.


    See this,

    http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthread.php?183224-Seats


    Quote Originally Posted by xctasy View Post
    Modern S550 seats use the same development of the earlier 1975 seat base. Its externally, a little bit smaller than the 1978 XC Falcon.........
    By 1982, just the colors changed, but still the same Euro seat







    and then go back and decide on your best choices again.

    Don't be afraid to make it epic.


    The right mix of fabric and vinal can work well, but then it becomes custom/custom, and really darned expensive.


    If you want a vote, I'd still stick with the top one if your asking for advice on your choices.



    Nice work, and enjoy the build man!

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    As stated above, IMHO this style of seat doesn't look "Right" to me in the Foxes.

    I personally love the look of the seats and think they are cool, but too "Modern" IMHO for the Fox body style. In a SN95 or later sure, but . . .

    Not the answer you were looking for and it's your car, so as long as you like the look then go for it.

    Personally I prefer the look/style of the classic Recaro in the Fox. It fits the body style can be done in several ways and just looks "Right" IMHO.

    The Corbeau seats, Procar by Scat, and others have similar styles to the Recao but at a better price point and have options in regards to leather, colors, etc. if you like the style. Best of luck with the build!
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    I think if it matches the rest of your interior well, then it could work. We know there will be no back seat to match or not match, but what about the rest of the interior? What color is it?

    Another thought, if you do go with one of these, I'd look at some of the flashy custom door panels you can get from LMR and others. That may go a long way towards making the seats look "right" in your car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrEFI View Post
    I think if it matches the rest of your interior well, then it could work. We know there will be no back seat to match or not match, but what about the rest of the interior? What color is it?

    Another thought, if you do go with one of these, I'd look at some of the flashy custom door panels you can get from LMR and others. That may go a long way towards making the seats look "right" in your car.
    My biggest thing is the Recaros hit my shoulder blades and were just really uncomfortable. This seat will be sat in,, not on. These will be very functional and what i really need. Sure the Recaros looked great and seemed to blend with the car well but this car is going to be driven hard, not just looked at.
    Interior is all black.

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    Interior "sculpting" to suit via custom pannels might even be cheaper If the common thought is that High back racing seats clash with the remaining Fox low waist line form. Over the years, I've seen a few posts on the use of other Ford Mustang back seats as well. So the buckets verses waistline and front buckets verses back seat issues are easily sorted by Daring to be Different, and Seeing with your eyes a scenario that you like.


    Quote Originally Posted by brian.aughe View Post
    My biggest thing is the Recaros hit my shoulder blades and were just really uncomfortable. This seat will be sat in,, not on. These will be very functional and what i really need. Sure the Recaros looked great and seemed to blend with the car well but this car is going to be driven hard, not just looked at.
    Interior is all black.

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    Here is proof it can work, and a little bit a of a story for you all.

    Look at this. The lowest belt line Ford with the tallest back racing seats, the 1980 to 1984 XD and XE Falcon race cars. After 1982, to stop Dick getting welts over his back from 100 mph average speed laps on road race circuits, it even got a woolly Kiwi seat cover made from a few Mason Sales sheep covers, which made the seat practically a huge Johnson & Johnson pharmaceutical company "Cutton Bud".





    from https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/j...ford-xe-falcon








    As for any modification, I've seen some poor upgrades, but its a Ford, and any full rework if done tastefully should work. Especially a 79 Indy PC.

    http://www.fordmuscle.com/features/c...bra-jet-power/


    Some notes on the issues as I see it.

    Personal comfort and how you make it work for you verses the existing 1978 to 1993 Fox car low waitline.

    To go through the actual Permium seat option take up with Fox car Fords....

    There is a reason the Recaro option take up was so low.... anatomical seats aren't anatomical for everyone. In terms of physiology, German Saxons's are generally are more big bottomed than the average population demographics in the USA. Body Mass Index over rides physiology with modern diet changes, and USA customers are more inclinded to vote with the pocket book if a car doesn't suit the avarge Joe public buying it. The T bird and Areo Permium seats were a concession that the shoulder up sweep of the German Recaro and Scheel design seats was the reason for poor US Fox Capri and Mustang Recaro premuim seat sales.



    The Fox cars followed the Audi 80/90/100 cars design with very thin door pillars and it was the first Ford with the belt line step down below the the A, B and (on four door foxes and wagons, the C pillar). Ford Europe and GM Germany were keen to push the four and two door car design envelope with Pagoda style glass houses like the Fiat 130 had. On two door and three door GM cars, Opel had already gone below the front screen and A pillar with the belt line.

    Before the Falcon was locked in, and when the XD was released, Edsel Ford II and Henry Ford II were keen to try another step, and they both drove the XD preview cars on Australian soil with journalists....cars with the lowest belt line/ thinest waitline thickness to wind 'screen pillar depth ever.


    After the problems with the Edsel and 1971 Fat Stangs, Fords executuve was very carefull to test out how cars jelled with the buying public by tialing the ideas elseware first. Europe and Australia were seen as low risks to roll out advanced designes.

    Because of finacial sting from hard to shift stock, the 1958 and 1971 failure to thrive sales of the 58/59/60 Edsel and 1971-1972-1973 Stang were a scenadrio Ford USA couldn't afford to see hapen again.

    The new low waistline Ford look was something "Hank the Deuce" was very nervous about as what "clinic"-ed okay in Europe or Australia might not have worked in the USA and Canada.

    The notoriously conservative Aussies had all that kind of stuff worked out. The Gene spliced Geramn seats weren't universally loved by the buyers of 1975 RS 2000 Escorts, Flacon Cobras, or Europen Sports Pack Fairmonts either....they were standard seat options, and people didn't race out an buy them at all. The Opel de-rived seat in the Fox car like GM V car (Holden VB/VC/VH Commodre, Vauxhall Ventora/VX 490 and then Cartlon/Viceroy/Senator, Opel A, B and C Reckord Commodore, Senator, Opel Monza Hatch).


    Under GM's Wayne Cherry, the Germans got the seat frame right in the 70's, but the feedback on high back shoulder support was very negative in England, Australia and the USA, and Ford Australia decided to go to the Volvo 240/242/244/264/265 style Halo head rest and curved the seat frames back. The waisline issues, well the Aussies had a real struggle to get past the Dearborn design restrictions, and the Ople Commodore made the Aussies happy to take the wialine down another step for 1979. I love rcae seats with the low waisline Antipodean Ford Falcons, Fairmonts, Fairlans and LTD's, they look superb....

    Wayne Draper and Rosi made the whole interor package work really well, although it was pretty way out with the heat effected Two spoke "woha man!" steering wheel

    One year later than the Mustang, the Blackwood Ford Falcon went a step further and dropped down the belt line square below the A pillar.

    http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...6/index14.html
    Quote Originally Posted by nota
    Blackwood (Falcon XD) design evolution @ FoA Research & Design Centre, Campbellfield, Victoria .. really, how Australian do you want?!







    Meanwhile, over at Australia's Own Car company GM-H ... ... and if you really do think that Brand-share styling themes dictate 'national design ownership' then for the next few decades at Holden it must have been "football, meat pies, kangaroos and Opel cars" and essentially you're driving an Opel Monaro!




    For the record, it was Jack Talnack, inducteed to Ford Australia the same time as Jac Nasser and he did the Australian tin work revisions that made the 1966 US falcon the 1967 XR Falcon 289 GT and the 1968 XT GT 302 before going to other design postings, he did all the European sports Fords (Escort, Ford Capri Mark II Hatch, RS 2000 Escort), and then went back to Dearborn to make the lowest waistline Fox car glass house.


    Its what makes every 1978 to 1993 Fox car look so modern and stunning.


    As Ausralian Wheels Magazine said in March 1979.


    Ford Australia's styling department developed the XD - you can trace its evolution through various clay models in our photographic study on page 93.

    (See Notas post above, some pictures are from Page 93 on Wheels 1979 March.xctasy )

    It was never an instant car but certainly improved with every clay.

    Superficially, it shows a great deal of resemblance to the European Granada, especially around the nose but only the Bosch headlights are common to both. It is modern, crisp and sharper in outline than the Granada with its rounded corners and smoother edges yet the new Falcon is as European in appearance as the old XC was American.

    When you see the old and the new together the XD appears to be two styling generations ahead.

    And with a wheel in each corner there is even something of a 450SLC Mercedes-Benz about the tail.

    Australia's Wayne Draper copied most of the Fox car ques on the Falcon wagon and used the Mustang tail lights on the Fairlane. The seat backs were kept low because Ford USA was very nervous about how Toomb Stone seats would look on a modern car. The same debate happened over leaf springs and elliptic spring axles....they clashed with the square form.








    Quote Originally Posted by Perry Shoar
    It was thoroughly appropriate to the upcoming decade and on this wagon, with its enormous glass area, it remains appealing. Even crouched down next to it, the low belt line made it possible for my camera to pick up this car’s low-back buckets with their famously useless Detroit headrests. Ford was the first to offer customers something better to replace these in family-friendly models, but it would have to wait a few years.

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    Group A Mustang Race seats.








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    That is some great info. I ordered a set of the black seats with white stitching. The seat fabric is readily available and I will order a few yards and do some door panel witchcraft. It should work more than well enough for me. Name:  elite-x-12.jpg
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    Awesome! Looking forward to seeing that!
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    My two cents, when I got my Capri the seats were toast, in went the racing seats, two years later I came across a nice pair of factory ones, out went the racing seats, but I do like your choose.
    here's to the freakin' weekend,I'll drink to that

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