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    Curious to what u guy think on rear gears between 3.73 or 4.10 car is a 5 spd dss 331 185cc trickflow heads cam is 533-544 nitrous cam will run between 100 to a 200 shot of nitrous on every once in a while mostly just motor passes in a eight of a mile

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    What ratio low gear?

    Automatic or stick?

    most guys shoot for 12:1 FD in low gear with a 26x10 slick. One ratio Lower with 28's as the tire is taller.

    what is your rev range? The last thing you want to have to do is shift with the hoops in the air or run out of revs and nose dive the frontend or miss a gear and tear the car up.

    If you can rev to 7000 you can run one ratio lower than you can if you can only run 6500.

    I would use an RPM calculator to figure out RPM at the target final trap speed in the final target gear.

    Often 3rd in a 5 speed car in the 1/8th mile or 4th in 1/4.

    You need to be able to consistently launch very hard without putting the tires up in smoke. How fast your engine revs up and how much grunt is there at launch RPM make a huge difference. This can be fine tuned by removing or adding rotating mass at the flywheel, adjusting advance, using less or no spray out of the hole, etc.
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    Also the rate in which you engage the clutch makes a HUGE difference. In theory you can launch a car with almost any ratio that can spin break traction at the tire as long as you have the correct clutch application controlling wheel speed. If the clutch will take the heat that is.

    It's when you rev that 2.73:1 up and simply pop the clutch that it sits there and melts the tires.

    3.35:1 T5 usually likes a 3.55 or 3.73:1 or a 3.90:1 depending upon target trap speed, slick, etc.

    2.95:1 T5Z usually likes a 4.10. 28" tires often justify a 4.56 if you have the R's on the big end to carry it.
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    Is this a race car or street car? If its just a drag car, you want to gear it so you are at or a bit above your shift point or redline at the finish line.
    For example, both my 85 Mustang and 78 Fairmont use Jerico 4 speeds with 3.19 low gear. The Mustang has 29" tall slicks, and at 128 MPH in the 1/4 mile, with 4.88 gears is taching almost 7200 RPM in high gear. I shift it at 6800 RPM, and normally launch at 6000-6200 RPM.
    The engine is a flat top piston 331 with AFR 185 heads, and a solid flat tappet cam, a Victor intake and 650 Holley, it makes 485 HP at the flywheel.
    Last year I pulled the 9 second 427 FE out of my Fairmont, and installed the same 331 from the Mustang. The Fairmont has ladder bars and bigger slicks (12.2x 31.25" tall) Because of that, I dump the clutch a bit higher, normally 6600 RPM, still shift at 6800, and with 5.13 gears, it revs just over 7000 at the finish line.
    With the big block, I ran 4.56 gears, with 31" tall slicks, with the big block, I would dump the clutch at 6200 RPM, shift at 6200 as well, and go across at 6400 RPM, at 132 MPH. Earlier on, I ran 4.88 gears, the car was quicker everywhere, but with a mostly stock bottom end using 50+ year old cast crank and stock rods, I went to the 4.56s, as I just didn`t feel comfortable spinning all that heavy old stuff at 6800 RPM, the 4.56s dropped it down to 6300-6400 RPM. Since both engines are naturally aspirated, I don`t concern myself with power added gains, but if I did, I would gear it for using the boost or Nitrous, but obviously running "all motor" would not be ideal gearing wise.
    If its a street car, compromise dictates what your gearing tolerance will be. Minimal freeway driving would allow for steeper gearing than lots of high speed driving would allow.
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    You have to running some pretty impressive 60 foot times to get into the 9's in N/A form with that steep of a rear gear. Sounds like a blast.

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    4.10s all day long over 3.73s. Don't fear the gear!

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    4.10's with a 3.35:1 first gear= sucks! 1st gear becomes almost useless( 0-6500rpm in like 100feet); but I imagine with that type of setup you've planned for a beefy trans. My T5Z ( 2.95:1 first gear) loves the 4:10's and still turns 1900rpm @60mph with a 26" tall tire.

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    If you're gonna spray it the hard straight out of the gate have fun keeping up with the gears with 4.10's out back. Otherwise I love 4.10 gears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersonic G.T.350 View Post
    If you're gonna spray it the hard straight out of the gate have fun keeping up with the gears with 4.10's out back. Otherwise I love 4.10 gears.
    I decided to stay with the 373 gears car runs great on the engine with them

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    Quote Originally Posted by 11secGT View Post
    4.10's with a 3.35:1 first gear= sucks! 1st gear becomes almost useless( 0-6500rpm in like 100feet); but I imagine with that type of setup you've planned for a beefy trans. My T5Z ( 2.95:1 first gear) loves the 4:10's and still turns 1900rpm @60mph with a 26" tall tire.
    I'm not far off of that with the 3.27:1 first gear in my 3550. I don't think it "sucks." If you go to a calculator and plug in the values, it is only a couple mph difference at sane shifting rpm for 2.95 vs 3.35 first gear. Spraying out of the gate on any T5 is a bad idea.

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    I'm not far off of that with the 3.27:1 first gear in my 3550. I don't think it "sucks." If you go to a calculator and plug in the values, it is only a couple mph difference at sane shifting rpm for 2.95 vs 3.35 first gear. Spraying out of the gate on any T5 is a bad idea.

    Cale
    But you lose the mechanical advantage of a transmission with a lower numerical first gear.
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    Double post, sorry for that...
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    Deep gearing and Demon diff = Wide gear ratio speads with stump puller 3.35's or 2.95's, axles like 4.10, 4.30, 4.56, 4.88 or 5.13's


    Shallow gearing and hi speed diff ratios= not much ratio spread. 2.45 or 2.32 first gears, liitle Dana or 9 bolt 7-7/8" Hydratrack or 9" axles like 3.25, 3.45/3.46/3.5/3.70, 3.89's are so common on our Common Hores and FoulCans.

    So I'd dial up Mc Fairmont style overall top gear in 4th through the 1320 as being just above the maximum power rpm level plus 10%, and assume a 1.5 multiplyer on your stock unboosted flywheel hospower. I'm right into that kinda stuff, because it always works. Hp unbottled, if its 460 hp, well it'll be safe at the excess fuel factor limit of 1.47, which is 216 extra hp, or 676 hp bottled. I'd run a close ratio AOD with 2.46's and 1.48's.


    On the 1320 feet

    10.0 secs at 135 mph needs 6600 rpm on 28" wheels and 4.10:1 axle ratio requied in a 1:1 3rd .

    Going back to the 660, it'll be a lot safer.

    http://www.wallaceracing.com/hpcalculatoreigth.php
    560 rwhp = 6.3 at 108 mph in 2nd would be 800o rpm with 4.1's,21% too steep.


    Using a set of 3.4's or 3.55s would put it into the 6600 to 6900 rpm bracket through the traps. .

    I'd take the


    On the street, a good well developed shallow intermediate and high geared car will be much safer.








    I don't have any experience with four bar Foxes, only leaf spring Falcons and ladder bar compacts. People down here do things a lot different because we don't have VHT glue or the clinker (calcined bauxite) you guys use on the strip. Consequently, our cars are traction limited, and Aussies and Kiwis have never, ever ran the demon axle ratios you guys do...we step up the gearing, abd run very shallow intermediates to cope with nitrous.


    One thing I will say, though, and that is that the T5 is the first thing to go, and its TopLoder or hardcore transbraked auto, or nothing else. Ratio spreads are 1965 T10 or TopLoader for first four gears if its a Tremec.

    When bottling it, its always all in with a micro switch to turn it off, and we run so much higher

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