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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrEFI View Post
    I pick up the winter tires Tuesday! I ended up with 16" steelies and Continental Wintercontact SI XLs. Tirerack says they compare very favorably with their recent test winner, the latest version of Blizzaks. Can't wait to try them!!

    You've got 215/60R16 99H XL's are on 6.5Jx16 ET50 steelies, yeah?


    Is there space on your ride for the 225/60R16's? They list 235's max section size on the tire placard,


    I might use on the front of my RAV4, Stagea, 82 Mustang?


    I'm interested because from our 4 servere winter months (May, June, July, August) , I have to do 6400 miles of 4X4 driving in potentailly icey, snowy condidtions. A large proportion is night time driving, and the snow fronts usually come through at 9am to 3 pm, with big snow dumps, and although I do carry a really good jack and Wurth Car Sox just in case.
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    The icy snaps, any time. I love a good AWD IFS/IRS car, and have even been thinking about a Merkur Scorpio 4x4 IFS cross member swap, which is pretty much Ford DID in the 1984 Ghia Vignale Mustang FF (for Ferguson Formula) 85 Chicago show car, and, way before that, by Irishman Harry Ferguson at Feruson Research in 1965.

    Any way, Car Soxs aren't chains, but on an SVO or 220/65 390 tired Mustang, chains won't fit. Car Sox do, but car sox aren't winter tires that you can drive over 25 mph, either...

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    You might get some snow! Southern Alberta and northern Montana are supposed to be getting a ton right now! We are on the north edge of the storm and we've had a good 4-6" in the last 24 hours. Maybe it's edging east to you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by xctasy View Post
    You've got 215/60R16 99H XL's are on 6.5Jx16 ET50 steelies, yeah?


    Is there space on your ride for the 225/60R16's? They list 235's max section size on the tire placard,


    I might use on the front of my RAV4, Stagea, 82 Mustang?


    I'm interested because from our 4 servere winter months (May, June, July, August) , I have to do 6400 miles of 4X4 driving in potentailly icey, snowy condidtions. A large proportion is night time driving, and the snow fronts usually come through at 9am to 3 pm, with big snow dumps, and although I do carry a really good jack and Wurth Car Sox just in case.
    ,
    http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/n...d-it/index.htm


    The icy snaps, any time. I love a good AWD IFS/IRS car, and have even been thinking about a Merkur Scorpio 4x4 IFS cross member swap, which is pretty much Ford DID in the 1984 Ghia Vignale Mustang FF (for Ferguson Formula) 85 Chicago show car, and, way before that, by Irishman Harry Ferguson at Feruson Research in 1965.

    Any way, Car Soxs aren't chains, but on an SVO or 220/65 390 tired Mustang, chains won't fit. Car Sox do, but car sox aren't winter tires that you can drive over 25 mph, either...
    I ended up buying the wheels/tires for my Focus for the time being because it has the same size wheel/tire as the Transit Connect we have on order. The Fusion's wheels were just too big, and i didn't want to have to split the difference. The steelies say they are 16x6.5 E52s and the tires are 215/55R-16. I just tried to keep the overall wheel diameter as close as i could. The Focus will go when the Transit Connect comes in, but i have a feeling the Fusion will be replaced with another Focus or maybe a Fiesta when the time comes.

    82, If the snow holds off until tomorrow evening, we'll be ready!!
    Brad

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    What is the definition of irony? Well that would be driving way across town and back in a freezing rain storm (when it has not snowed here in at least a week) on stupid useless all-season tires carrying winter tires in the trunk.
    Brad

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    So, i went to mount these today. I remembered when i was preparing a wheel/tire package for the Fusion, Tirerack had suggested including a Ford TPMS programming tool thingy. But when i made up my package for the Focus, it did no such thing. So, i was like, but don't i have to program the TPMSs? I see Tirerack included a little book called the "Owners Manual" with my stuff. I read it. It says look in your car's owner's manual for the procedure. I look. Find nothing. Both with several mentions of "see your authorized dealer", but no concrete information. F*** that. So, i google it, and find that there IS a procedure. Now we're finally getting somewhere. Thanks for nothing Tirerack and Ford! So i mount the wheels, and go to do the procedure. Car won't enter "programming mode". Well, WTF now? I start the car. Is the light on? It is not. I drive the car. No light. So, apparently the answer is, if you use the right sensors, you don't need to program them. Gee, Tirerack, you think maybe you could have just TOLD ME THAT?!

    Let's use Crutchfield as an example. It's an online retailer with no face to face interaction, much like Tirerack, but they BEND OVER BACKWARDS to make sure you have everything you need to do the job. Every order comes with application-specific instructions so you can do the job yourself. THAT'S how you sell online and still have great customer service. Not the "here's what to do in case you've never changed a damn tire in your life" book I got from Tirerack. USELESS.

    Anyway, today it's 45 degrees and sunny, so no snow/ice to try them out in. Best I can do is a pic. Stylin' in steelies!

    Brad

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    See below

    LMR have now done the proper American thing and at last De-Metricated the TRX rim, A 16 x 7 that MIGHT just fit with the common 14-15 mm spacer to create an E50-E51 offset wheel from the std SVO, LSC or LMR's approx E36 offset that most wide track Foxes used. .


    In the bad old 100% Metric 1979-1989 years of the TRX heyday, BMW M6's and Ferrari in the 512BBi/Euro TestaRossa era used two maximum sizes which were to copy the ages old P7 1980-1990s 911, 930, 944 or 928 has wide 16x9 rear wheels,

    240/45 VR 415's were used on the front , essentialy 16 x 7J rom with 631 mm wheel, or 245/45/16's or 235/60 VR Pirelli P6000/7000or P7's or there replacement. Poresche 928/928S/928S4's have the same wheel arch envelope and front wheel drive /959 style wheel offsets on a VW stud pattern, but they use spacers and

    280/45 415 's on the back, basically the 285/45 415, or almost what the Pantera GT4/GTS/ GT5/GT5-S, LP 400S Lamborghini ran, the respective 609-666 mm tall 285/40VR15, 285/50VR15 and 632 mm tall 345/35ZR15 Pirelli P7 .

    So it looks like a brilliant snow tire is anything that fits in with the common 235/245 and 285 Pirelli tires.


    Little story from 2011, which I have pictures for. I can't remember the guys name I had with me, but he and his brother come from a famous family of NZ stunt bike riders. I have to go back over my pictures from Winter 2011 to track down his name, but you'll love this....

    I'm going through that process again. It might not help with a Focus, but a Fusion, maybee if your smart.

    I used 235/60 16 Transpaths on my Explorer, and while driving to a Traffic Controller site at 5 am, we hit ice on a mild right hand curve before a 450 feet long armco laced undivided carriage way bridge on SH1 south of Dunedin.

    (I do fee simple fatality, maintenance, and road inspections for the contractors to the New Zealand Government . Roading companies, Territorial Road Control Authorites, and the Police)

    See http://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resou...conditions.pdf

    Tail did the normal rear drive over steer, but it was in sensortract mode(98 4.0 sohc 5 speed auto LWB XLT Ford Explorer).

    The Exploder switched into Sensortrac 4WD right as the tail commenced the typical roll over steer in corner mode, and then I just remembered, its Traction Lock and 4WD, , so its gonna understeer, SO F'n TREAT IT LIKE THE AXLE IS LOCKED. So I just gently palmed it back on line like you would a Detriot Locker Mustang, and she just bit into the ice, and the tail slide then became a slplit second four wheel drift.


    I had beside me a MotorCross and Nissan Silvia Turbo S13 NZ drift champion whos Cop brother used these things in the Middle East for security work.

    He said, "Cool, nice save. Almost nobody comes out of black ice ona bridge without hitting something".


    I told him, I've got Tranpaths, a winter tire, soft compound, its just saved our asses.

    Even 98 Explorers are a still a rather nasty torsion bar, triple shock cart spring rear, Limited slip, auto 4x4 SUV which doesn't suffer fools gladly. If I hadn't changed to winter tires, the stroy may have been different...

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    Shades of Jordans (jdmustang82) Focus....oh the joy when you could swap rims between the 82 Fox TRX's and the Focii with its 4 on 108 stud pattern....

    The 5 stud swap for Foxes sadly went to the common 114.3 pitch center for all those years, while the MN12 T bird and everything else went 108 pitch center 89-97, Metric: 5 X 108.


    Quote Originally Posted by jdmustang82 View Post
    yep you read that right i got bored today and with it being so nice out i took the set of TRX wheels i had and put them on my focus. yeah its weird but i think they look cool in a different kind of way. so tell me what you think.



    14 mm spacers and Late Model Restorations TRX'S are 108 centres just like the late modle Front drive Fusion/Focus/Taurus clan.


    This redrilled VW five on 108 to 4 on 108 conversion in reverse




    Knock out three studs, drop in a 5 on 108 spacer, and use the 1984-1987 Linclon Mark VII LSC five stud center cap

    LINCOLN MARK VII SERIES CONTINENTAL CENTER CAP HUBCAP 5 HOLE USED 84 85 86 87 OE



    to finish her off. The centers are 114.3 mm, but should work with acorn headed fastening nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrEFI View Post
    Well, WTF now? I start the car. Is the light on? It is not. I drive the car. No light. So, apparently the answer is, if you use the right sensors, you don't need to program them.
    Similar happened to me when I mounted winter tires on my spare aluminum rims for my 2012 F150 except I got the progamming tool thingy. I couldn't seem to get it to work, installed the wheels and got no lights on the dash. I ended up not needing it either!
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    I drove my 1986 GT year around in snowy nasty cold Nebraska every day for 18 years. There is absolutely NO replacement for quality studded snow tires. For a while I ran them all the way around so I could turn and stop safely on ice too.

    About the first time you stop going down 20% grade on glare ice, put it in reverse, and proceed to back up the hill without drama it makes a real statement considering these cars won't even stop let alone back up without such tires.

    Every year people die when bad weather causes dangerous roads. Sadly many crashes like this are avoidable.

    There are some caveats about limited slip rear diffs and slick toads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erratic50 View Post
    About the first time you stop going down 20% grade on glare ice, put it in reverse, and proceed to back up the hill without drama it makes a real statement considering these cars won't even stop let alone back up without such tires.
    Definitely looking forward to that! I remember the first time i put my Bronco in 4wd and powered effortlessly up my steep driveway I'd ALWAYS had trouble with in a car. That's about the only time i miss that thing though; it was pretty rough. That and when i used to smash it into things.

    I agree with things like how Quebec just made them the law and now that's just what you do if you live there. Now if we could just find a way to stop people from driving stupid.
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    Its sad, were not allowed studs here, as we are tar macadm, and non concrete on out undivided carriagway roads.

    My autie had a JDM Ford Lazer/ GLC Station Wagon, and it had a studed spare. they asked that it be removed.

    So you can get studs, and use em, just that they are illegal if you get caught....HMMM

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    I'm bummed out....I really hate the useless info systems Kiwi tire retailers have....no brains at all.

    Rav4, 1996 wide body with 235/60 r16 tire placard.

    New Zealand Michelin hasn't loaded the RAV4 5 dr LV J spec profile, and all I get is the stoopid 215/70 r 16 99S tire, and no valid winter tire http://www.michelin.co.nz/content/de...cant-find.html


    Using the tire size search, 1 exact match and 0 alternative. 235/60R16 100H, no valid winter tire

    MICHELIN LATITUDE CROSS SUV The multi-purpose SUV tyre that gives the traction of an off-road tyre, the comfort of an on-road tyre, with exceptional mileage.

    So where the heck is my MICHELIN® x-ice® Xi3 ™ winter tire, bozos?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsD_bgQKf9I
    https://player.vimeo.com/video/97689286


    https://vimeo.com/99491134

    http://<iframe src="https://player.v...Vimeo</a>.</p>

    Southern Hemisphere Proving Grounds (SHPG) located in the South Island of New Zealand, offering winter testing from June to September.

    1000 acreas of snow testing, and I cant even get snow tires.






    I have to import my five 225/60 R 16 102 Michelin X-Ice Xi3. Approximately NZD699.31



    Been looking for Snow tires, but all we have as stock items are 215/70 R16'S, too tall for my 4WD Nissan, 27.8" is the unloaded height, I can't go above 27"


    So the 235/60 R 16 as a snow tire has extra tread depth and overall height unshaved goes up about 400 thou and fouls the SALS links and gets close on the back multi link IRS too.

    My WC34 has Territory style IFS and IRS, although the Nissan is more multi link IRS in the traditions of the Z car.

    Its got a lot of space and design limitations for an added set of big wheels,


    IFS short arm long spindle converted McPherson strut here





    IRS Multi link McPherson strut that slept with Semi traling arm




    but I've gotten it fitted with 235/60 16's on 7" rims, and my goodness, a 27" tire transforms the car. Its got the big, well tied down, bump crushing feeling of a Jag XJ or perhaps a 400 Ferrari. Those stock 24.5" wheels just make a Stagea or Skyline an ugly cost cutting car. Like BMW's Chris Bangle is peputed to have said..."Guys love big round things and are prepared to pay extra to get there hands on them!"

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    Can't get a supply of Winter tires of any type for what I need fast enough. Kiwis don't do them due to a 5/32 tread depth minimum requirement for them to be legal, and a brace of wet road deaths with people using winter tires on suck a$$ little cars in two lane roads. Head ons have resulted, so people shy away from any Winter tire down here.

    The NZ situation....
    Three coroners in three years have recommended snow tyres be banned from imported cars.

    A law change is necessary if the tyres are to be banned.

    A minimum tread depth of 4mm is required for snow tyres.

    Since April 2010 it has been illegal to use snow tyres with standard tyres on the same vehicle. Owners of vehicles with different sets of tyres can be fined $150 or $370, and a maximum $500 on conviction.

    The tyres were designed for cold roads in Japan and Europe and not for normal driving conditions, except on access roads to skifields or mid-winter in Central Otago, Mr Scott said.

    He called for the tyres to be banned from vehicles warranted, or certified to be used here. He also recommended making it an offence to sell snow tyres and to drive a vehicle with snow tyres fitted, but stopped short of recommending cars with snow tyres be failed on warrant of fitness tests.

    Of course, down here its now winter.

    I drive on access roads to skifields , and have lived and still drive in -14 degree F ice and 105 degree F summers in Central Otago...

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5752...ridiculous:fp:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-stan...yres-dangerous

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news...o-be-addressed

    Lookes like Two 26.6 inch tall 225/60 16 Continental ContiComfortContact CC5 for the RAV4.

    And Four 25.4 inch tall 235/40 R18 Pirelli P1 Cinturato for the Nissan Stagea. NZ $1076

    Awaiting a price from two suppliers.

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    Dean, it's nice to know the States do not have a monopoly on clueless nanny staters.
    Ban snow tires in a region that it snows?
    At least we can run studs from mid Nov to end of April in Connecticut.
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    I just don't get it. Everythings imported anyway...we get our weather from Antartica,


    our cars from everywhere else, so what about some simple personal responsibilty consumer choice. I can understand the Cornoners rationale about wet road grip. The real issue is low grip roads, and the worst low hysteresis rubber that isn't worth a nob of goat turd.

    I'm okay with 5/32 tread depth and driving to the conditions...


    When I'm at 3530 feet in Milford or the Crown Terrace, or 3185 feet at the Lindis Pass I always think about CMA de icer and winter tires....



    I guess the real issue is our low polished stone value road chip and hot mix asphalt, and lack of proper cement roads, and then nasty Asian Snow tires.

    Down here its as low as -14.08 deg F (25.6 deg C) in winter, and 105.8 deg F (41deg C) in summer.

    And yearly rain fall as high as 10 in during a span of 24 hours, and 268 in in six months of the year.


    So you want snow, hail, heat and cold and dark all at the same time?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phhyDdAeb8w

    http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/xe..._0719.mp4.html

    http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/xe..._0726.mp4.html

    http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/xe...nsnow.mp4.html

    My mates ex Alaskan Tempo and my ex California, ex Japan, New Zealand Mustang



    Or the rain with import Mustangs





    But hey, I'm in New Zealand's South Island at the roaring 40's.

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    Bummer you're having so much trouble. That Mustang is sweet though!
    Brad

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    Love the plate!

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    Time for an " I am Tired", speech....

    The 1996 170 HP 3S GE engined RAV4 got the Continental ContiCrossContact UHP 235/60 R16 100H "Sommerreifen" to replace the Pirelli Scorpion Zero Street/Sport Truck All-Season tires



    data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7


    The 1996 Nissan Stagea RSX 187 bhp 2.5 Liter Station wagon has gone from the old Pirelli Scorpion Zero 235/60 R16 100H to a new 18 x 7 inch rim with 225/40 R18 92W Continental Contimax Contact MC5. I lost 1.7" of tire height, but kept the aggressive tread and best wet road grip.





    Ahhhh, MC5...kick out the jams...

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