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    Default Concours restoration

    Just wanting to see how many members are doing or have Concours quality cars and what they are building and showing.
    Thinking about starting one my self...
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    Myself personally i am building a near original 82 gt with the original 5.0 with 4 spd original rear end factory silver with factory black inside with the trx wheel and yes it will be drove a lot so i can enjoy it not a big fan of trailer cars that are not enjoyed remember you only live once and a car is made to enjoy

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    I agree with the car should be driven and not trailered as that's not my cup of tea. Just looking to do a correct number matching highly detailed car with all the factory paint markings, inspection marking and labels with all the correct finishes. One of the reasons I have begun cataloging and taking pictures of the vehicles I have as most are original paint and unmolested cars for reference. And yes these cars are driven and sometimes driven hard!
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    Quote Originally Posted by E2ZZGLX View Post
    I agree with the car should be driven and not trailered as that's not my cup of tea. Just looking to do a correct number matching highly detailed car with all the factory paint markings, inspection marking and labels with all the correct finishes. One of the reasons I have begun cataloging and taking pictures of the vehicles I have as most are original paint and unmolested cars for reference. And yes these cars are driven and sometimes driven hard!
    One day these cars will be worth restoring to that level. I think more important is to keep cars in survivor condition. Still maintain drivability but, not spend so much money in restoration for something that doesn't have the value of let's say a HemiCuda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by E2ZZGLX View Post
    Just wanting to see how many members are doing or have Concourse quality cars and what they are building and showing.
    Thinking about starting one my self...
    Our Tangerine coupe is kinda close. While I have done my best on a first attempt; I have gone pretty far but not to the nth degree that others do. I was lucky it was is the good shape that it was.

    For the guys that have concourse cars and maintain them: roush235, bluemax, 79mustangcobra and others, I envy the knowledge, the attention to detail and the dedication. I have a lot of catching up to do, but I kind of like the details too.

    I know 4eyes is doing a concourse resto on his special tu-tone coupe also: http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...ight=concourse

    PS: I would do the T5, that IS the one you are thinking of right?

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    I have 2 cars with 20,000 miles which I show in unrestored class. Concours required too much extra detailing where unrestored allows less than perfect undercarriage. I have 2 other Foxbodies with over 130,000 miles, which I show in driven class. Again, less focus on the undercarriage.

    I also show my 03 Mach 1 in unrestored with 8000 miles.
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    Just an editorial note...It's "concours" not "concourse" (two entirely different words actually).

    Having said that, if you mean a from the ground up, nuts and bolts restoration, I wish I could. My car was nearly 100 percent original when I got it, except for stereo, top, battery and a few minor bits. Because my car is that much original, I've stuck to cleaning, repairing and refurbishing what I can on a limited budget so I can preserve what is original, but restore what needs it to preserve the overall look of the car. Along the way, I've been trying to take photos as reference material so if I have to take something apart, I can put it back the way it's supposed to be.

    Unfortunately, I've been moving at a glacial pace, so I haven't bothered to share much if it because it's not very interesting compared to the usual stuff on the forum. When I manage to finish, there result will be that of a well cared for survivor rather than a show car. The only way I could manage that is if I won the lottery.
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    Concours can be driven. It does not have to be trailered.
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    Mine is not restored - just a LOT of cleaning.
    I show in MCA's Concours Driven class, and DO drive the car - about 8000 miles the past 3 years.
    Makes for even more cleaning.

    I do not intend to do a restoration on this car at this point. They're only original once...
    I have been considering driving this one less, and possibly building another car, but just don't have the extra garage space right now.

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    I'm all for helping the helpless, but I don't give a rat's ass about the clueless anymore.

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    My car is on a lengthy restoration adventure, now well into its second decade. What started out as a simple project to "clean up" a worn, but not abused, twenty year old car which had lived its life in the Rust Belt, turned into this adventure. It's the proverbial story of cleaning/fixing/upgrading part x, which makes nearby part y look bad, so you fix part y, which makes part z look bad. Eventually you have redone the whole car, now including much of the undercarriage.

    When the car was well down the road on this adventure, I started showing it in Mustang Club of America events as Occasional Driven. I realized it would be competitive in Concours categories, so I switched to Concours Driven. The past couple years I have moved to Concours Trailered (much the same judging criteria); the practicalities of driving long distances to shows in an 85-hp, 37-year-old car in today's traffic conditions swayed my position.

    Yes, doing a Councours car is a ton of time and effort and money. And after you are 'done', you are never really 'done.' There is probably something to re-do (that's what I spend much of my time on); if nothing else, as Bob notes above, you are always cleaning. But if this is what you like to do, you will be proud of your accomplishments. I always remember what a friend told me once: one definition of a hobby is something you enjoy spending time AND MONEY on.







    By the way, that is me in the above picture (with MCA Assistant Head National Judge Chuck Wiltens) judging Bob's Saleeen at the Loveland, CO show last summer. His car is terrific, he does a tremendous job in keeping it in near perfect condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roush235 View Post
    My car is on a lengthy restoration adventure, now well into its second decade. What started out as a simple project to "clean up" a worn, but not abused, twenty year old car which had lived its life in the Rust Belt, turned into this adventure. It's the proverbial story of cleaning/fixing/upgrading part x, which makes nearby part y look bad, so you fix part y, which makes part z look bad. Eventually you have redone the whole car, now including much of the undercarriage.

    When the car was well down the road on this adventure, I started showing it in Mustang Club of America events as Occasional Driven. I realized it would be competitive in Concours categories, so I switched to Concours Driven. The past couple years I have moved to Concours Trailered (much the same judging criteria); the practicalities of driving long distances to shows in an 85-hp, 37-year-old car in today's traffic conditions swayed my position.

    Yes, doing a Councours car is a ton of time and effort and money. And after you are 'done', you are never really 'done.' There is probably something to re-do (that's what I spend much of my time on); if nothing else, as Bob notes above, you are always cleaning. But if this is what you like to do, you will be proud of your accomplishments. I always remember what a friend told me once: one definition of a hobby is something you enjoy spending time AND MONEY on.







    By the way, that is me in the above picture (with MCA Assistant Head National Judge Chuck Wiltens) judging Bob's Saleeen at the Loveland, CO show last summer. His car is terrific, he does a tremendous job in keeping it in near perfect condition.

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    Yes, I'm restoring an '84 coupe to concours. I wish the car could work as a "survivor" but with two solid repaints and interior color change it wasn't in the cards. However, the rest of the car is very original and with the unique characteristics found through Marti report it's an ideal candidate for a concours rebuild. I agree, it's tough to sink this type of money into a car that very few people will appreciate but I'm not doing it for a profit.

    I plan to show in Concours Driven simply because I can't let a great car sit idle.

    To all you folks with honest, original cars, take car of them and hold off restoring as long as you can. Right now the restoration market hasn't begun producing nearly the parts needed to build a car without spending big $ on NOS. I enjoy finding the parts I need, but I'm getting tired of looking at my Paypal statements... Ugh.
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    I love these cars. I agree, my PayPal statements say it all too. Wish years ago when I bought my car in California, I would have kept my car original. At the time I was young and wanted speed. Good thing about these cars is they made a lot of them, still lots of unmolested cars out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4eyes View Post
    Yes, I'm restoring an '84 coupe to concours. I wish the car could work as a "survivor" but with two solid repaints and interior color change it wasn't in the cards. However, the rest of the car is very original and with the unique characteristics found through Marti report it's an ideal candidate for a concours rebuild. I agree, it's tough to sink this type of money into a car that very few people will appreciate but I'm not doing it for a profit.

    I plan to show in Concours Driven simply because I can't let a great car sit idle.

    To all you folks with honest, original cars, take car of them and hold off restoring as long as you can. Right now the restoration market hasn't begun producing nearly the parts needed to build a car without spending big $ on NOS. I enjoy finding the parts I need, but I'm getting tired of looking at my Paypal statements... Ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roush235 View Post


    Question and an observation or two Bob.

    I see your car doesn't have the body side pin striping. It does have the black rocker moulding so thought it would have had the exterior accent group. I thought that was odd and thought all of these cars had the pinstripes.

    I noticed that you are missing a retainer for the windshield washer hose that is supposed to go in the hole above the drivers side cowl brake line retainer. Ours has a broken tab on it but they are the same as the hood latch cable but bigger diameter. I cannot find the right replacement yet as most I find are different as they piggy backed a vacuum hose also. Our '79 also had a cover over the retainer for the brass hood ground. It was a plastic cover that went over the screw.

    She's a beauty regardless and I really envy the fresh looking cad coatings you have done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4eyes View Post
    Yes, I'm restoring an '84 coupe to concours. I wish the car could work as a "survivor" but with two solid repaints and interior color change it wasn't in the cards. However, the rest of the car is very original and with the unique characteristics found through Marti report it's an ideal candidate for a concours rebuild. I agree, it's tough to sink this type of money into a car that very few people will appreciate but I'm not doing it for a profit.

    I plan to show in Concours Driven simply because I can't let a great car sit idle.

    To all you folks with honest, original cars, take car of them and hold off restoring as long as you can. Right now the restoration market hasn't begun producing nearly the parts needed to build a car without spending big $ on NOS. I enjoy finding the parts I need, but I'm getting tired of looking at my Paypal statements... Ugh.
    I agree... The parts hunting is the worst. Trying to find what you need in good, usable condition, or NOS parts (when they're affordable) is tough. Now that I have an OEM dash pad (needing a dye job) has given me the inspiration to get back to the interior. I know that people told me that it wouldn't happen fast and it wouldn't be easy, but I didn't think it would take years to get there. My friend keeps making fun of me for accumulating parts, but I don't want to pull the interior apart multiple times just to accomplish the whole job. One thing always leads to another, so you might as well have everything ready when you need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 82GTforME View Post
    Question and an observation or two Bob.

    I see your car doesn't have the body side pin striping. It does have the black rocker moulding so thought it would have had the exterior accent group. I thought that was odd and thought all of these cars had the pinstripes.
    Both of those items were available as separate options on the 2-dr non-Ghia coupe, or as part of the Exterior Accent Group option.
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    The car is equipped with the "Sport Option", which essentially made a 2-door coupe look like how a 3-door hatchback was trimmed. It included black window frames, black belt moldings, black rocker panels, full bodyside moldings with stripes, 3-spoke sport steering wheel, and 13" sport wheels (rarely seen today). When I ordered the car, and even today, I think this black trim really sets off the blue paint.

    Just another example of the zillions of ways these cars could be equipped... how did the supply chain, assembly line, etc. keep track of all of it?

    Washer hose retainer: that is a new one on me. I don't remember anything like this, but for sure it could have been lost/broken long ago. Do you have any pics of what you are talking about? I'd like the parts guru guys (David B, Steve Z) to weigh in on this one.
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    I've seen the collectible Foxters get fully restored. But that's the first complete restoration I've seen of a regular every day Fox Mustang! Very cool

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    Not sure if the same for '79 and '82 but you can see how the retainer looks on my '82...if it helps or is even relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sowaxeman View Post
    Not sure if the same for '79 and '82 but you can see how the retainer looks on my '82...if it helps or is even relevant.

    Not quite Jason. I have not seen a '79 in the JY but have looked on a couple of '81's and the retainer is different because there is electrical and possibly another vacuum line in the group. See below...

    Quote Originally Posted by roush235 View Post
    Washer hose retainer: that is a new one on me. I don't remember anything like this, but for sure it could have been lost/broken long ago. Do you have any pics of what you are talking about? I'd like the parts guru guys (David B, Steve Z) to weigh in on this one.
    Bob, I was looking at old engine pictures before we started restoring and you can clearly see the retainer holding the hose. Note that it was over the wiper motor which is original also. While I cannot claim it is all as it was, the 30000 miles and how original most of the rest of the car was leads me to believe it could have been correct.

    There was also a 79 low-ish mile car in the for sale section today that had the same but it is white.

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    Here is the picture of the retainer. Unfortunately one tab broke (in the middle). It is the same as the hood latch cable retainers (right) but bigger diameter (which I haven't found a replacement yet). The one on the left is the right diameter off of a "newer" '81 as I mentioned above to Jason. I think it might be the same or similar as the ones that hold the hose where is attached to the wiring harness on the inner fender.

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    How about this fastener cover that was over the screw for the copper (?) hood ground? (It has a little chip out of it.)

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    Sorry to derail your thread Skip

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    Thanks for the pics. I don't remember ever seeing that little retainer on my car. Or, the fastener cover either. Two more small plastic thingamajigs to look for!!
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    And there's two more things to Bob's list! What's the over under gonna be....I say he finds them before the MCA 40th this summer
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    Almost thought this thread was starting to go a differant direction than I wanted. I really enjoy the cars posted and have been following the builds and what's being showed. I have been thinking and triying to plan a restoration on a Fox for a longtime, collecting, buying and selling cars and parts. Still trying to figure out what one to do? Not looking to do a complete "nut and bolt" restoration at this time, but have a couple stashed that I want to do, slowly collecting parts/etc. Starting to look at a couple of my current cars (orignal paint, unmoletsed) for a "light restoration" and just detail,clean minimum paint work etc and detail again,again,again....and still enjoy it.
    Parts collecting is the other challange that I probability enjoy more than the car it's self, knowing where to look and find that clip, bracket, etc...from differant scurces. My favorite is oem new TRX's from the trunks of 80's BMW's (two completes sets in the last 5years, now gone as Ex-wife scrapped for wheels) but that's a differant story...now with a good ending!
    So as I look at current "hoard" for that light restoration of find something new or differant. The ones currently thinking about are my 79 turbo hatch,82 GLX hatch or the 84 GT turbo...all mostly orignal and all have rust owns ups and downs...
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    Back to the subject.... Based on what you described, I think you are on the right track. In fact, maybe you are simply looking for verification. I think your mind is essentially made up and you should just 'go for it.'!!!

    Doing a 'light' restoration is actually where I started, but it mushroomed from there, so beware. The fact that you already have a parts stash, and enjoy looking for parts, is a plus.

    Sounds like you have a good selection of cars to choose from. All are rarely seen on the show field. If you really want us to weigh in, could you provide some pics?

    The other piece of advice is common to the collector car world: do your best to have your end in mind when you start. Nice driver? Local show car? National show car? Completely stock, or mostly stock?

    Keep us posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by E2ZZGLX View Post
    My favorite is oem new TRX's from the trunks of 80's BMW's (two completes sets in the last 5years, .
    I love TRX's! I have sourced three sets since 2007 by continuing to search ebay/craigslist as you mention. Just last year I scored four NOS TRX's that are dated coded late 1990's by three different purchases.
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