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    Ok, so the engine just turned over for the first time in what, 3 years. The Holley computer and ignition aren't wired up though. BUT, I need an Ed U Ma Ca Shun. Educate me.

    I am tucking the wires and doing a lot of cleaning up and removing wires I don't need. I've wired in headlight relays. I am getting ready to wire in the TFI coil (I have TFI with the Holley C950). The underhood connector that the factory coil connections come out of, along with the oil and temp sending and some other stuff, is roasted, so I am going thru all of that. Red/Light green is coil +. But if you trace it back, it goes to a splice and connects the Red/Light green wire to a brown/pink wire. I thought, cool I can get rid of the splice and have 2 wires hot in start and run.

    WRONG!

    I tested each wire. It's hot in key on/run position. Dead in crank. Each one individually.

    BUT if you hook them together, it has battery voltage in crank. Obviously, this is the way it was and it worked, but I am CORNfused!



    I've got a EVTM and the wiring schematics. Both the R/LG and B/PK wires go back to the ignition switch.

    What am I missing here?


    Any who, I am rewiring the connectors for my digital cluster and I am pushing forward. I'm sure the gas in this thing is sludge...maybe just maybe I'll need to go get some fresh gasoline tomorrow and try to crank it.
    1985 GT, Sunroof, 5 Lug, Rear Discs, 01 Graphite Bullets, 88 forged piston shortblock, 2.02/1.60 Alum heads, Weiand Stealth, Holley C950 TBI, BBK Long tubes

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    EDIT- Sorry, I have hurricane on the brain... I was looking at the '86 EVTM and then saw your car was an '85. UGH...
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    No worries! Stay safe down there! I'm just tying the two back together and splice the coil into them.
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    It runs! I wired the ignition back up, finished replacing the trailer connectors on my gauge cluster with something more appropriate, and hooked the Holley C950 power back up. It took me a bit of time to get my old laptop that hasn't been turned on in 3 years to reconnect to the ECU. First Key on and the fuel pump primed. I was interested to see if i had the ignition wired correctly, the C950 software lit up, FUEL PUMP ON, meaning it had ignition signal. I kept cranking and it took a few seconds to prime the fuel up but it fired right off.

    And SMELLED like ass. Damn nasty gas. I forgot to hook up the alternator, so I hooked up my alternator and was wondering if it was going to work. 14.6 volts. Voila. But it only ran about 6 seconds and quit. And doesn't want to start...no biggie. I actually think it's out of gas. Next weekend I'll get a few gallons of fresh gas and some fuel treatment stuff.

    Now the real fun begins....organizing, wrapping, and routing the wires. I think that will be the biggest challenge to me to get looking clean.


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    Attaboy!!!

    And thanks for the encouraging words!

    Looking forward to your next update!
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    In reality, I am getting it running in order to sell the entire car or the engine.

    If I sell the entire car, I want to find a stripped out fox to put a 2.3 turbo in and play with. If I can't find a buyer or even a partial trader, I will probably put the 2.3t in my car. I won't be the first, but I am sure it's the rare V-8 to inline 4 swap.
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    Progress is being made. The passenger side from the brake booster to the fender is pretty much done. I have the A/C pressure switch back on there...it's not hooked up and the connector is kind of roasted, so I will replace the connector. But the wiring is there when it is time to hook the A/C back up. The drivers side....

    A different story. It was looking pretty scary, but yesterday I got out there and started pulling wires tight and bundling the huge mass of wires. It's gotten much neater. My headlight and fan harnesses though, have a lot of excess wire. I might need to shorten them up. Or I might just zip tie the excess up behind the headlight. Out of sight!

    I'm pretty happy with the results so far. I used the nylon split braid loom I have and love the look. No more of that convoluted tubing. I have to go play plumber at my office for a while. Maybe when I get back, I'll go get some fresh gas and make sure this hoopty does indeed still run and my fans actually come on.

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    After a couple of hours Saturday morning:

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    Under the hood is close to being done. At some point will wire the A/C back in. I will probably go ahead and replace the pressure switch, but it's pretty much done under the hood. I am happy.

    Now to finish organizing fender wells and start buttoning things up and put the fender back on. I have a big 10 gauge red wire laying on the brake booster area. I am going to run that back thru the car to the fuel pump relay and replace the 14 or 16 gauge wire feeding the fuel pump now.
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    Yesterday I pretty much got finished with the passenger side. Need to test all the lights and everything, then slide the fender liner back in and it's done! I also cleaned a little bit. It looks so much better now. There are some studs in the fender that used to hold the altitude compensation solenoids...I used one of them to hold a clamp to hold the wiring harness. I used another existing hole for the other with a bolt and a nut.

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    Lookin' good!
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    @qikgts, thanks!

    It looks better after a couple hours of sweating in the heat yesterday. I got the main harness in the drivers fender loomed up. I have a bunch of tape outs, for the headlights, fans, fog lights, a/c and a bunch of grounds I still need to deal with. For each tape out, I slit the braided sleeve on both sides, so it could wrap around flush, then 'sealed' it off with electrical tape. I ran out of black so had to use Ford Blue...LOL. Of course, once the fender liner is back in, no one should ever see this again! I also got the distribution center pretty much closed up with the bottom cover and put in it's mount. I had to change the battery lead stud to a shorter one as it was too long for the cover. I need to put the red locking blocks back in the distribution center. Then test everything and make sure all grounds are tight. Then I guess time to put the fender and the fender liner back in! Oh yeah, looking at the pics, I need to put the drivers side horn back in and connect it.


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    Here are some pics of the distribution center. I am really happy with the way it turned out.

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    I also was a little bored and waiting for Kickoff of Kentucky/Miss State #HailState. So I redid my zip spark plug wire separators. I think this looks better, since the first time, I left out the coil wire and it looked like it was just hanging out waiting for a party.

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    Love it!

    Are you still using/going to use the MSD box and cap (filter)?
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    No, with the C950 I don't need it, so I took it out. I have it listed for sale. If I don't sell it, I may put it back in eventually.
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    Looking good, Drew.

    What's fabric tape stuff you used to wrap the wires out of the distribution box?

    I need to invest in some of that braided wire loom. Sure looks a lot nicer that the split loom I've been using.
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    Thomas,

    It's not tape. It's split nylon braided loom. I got it from Ebay years ago. I can't find my purchase history that long ago, but I think this is similar. I bought it in several diameters.

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    Hmm, interesting. I'll have to see about getting some of that. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 85MUSTANGTGT View Post
    Hmm, interesting. I'll have to see about getting some of that. Thanks.
    I'll warn you the smaller the diameter of this stuff you get the harder it is getting it on a wire. Especially the 1/8 stuff on one wire. But the result is worth it imo.
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    I haven't seen a tool for the 1/8" loom in my searches, but a wire loom installation tool(s) can be a huge benefit if installing a lot of loom.

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    I've seen those before. WHen I get to working on it, it's too late to order one, then I forget about it. On the 1/8" I just used a tiny screwdriver.
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    I've come to the decision that I would like to do a little racing again. My brother and I used to heavily bracket race an 83 Regal with a methanol injected 455 Buick. We mainly did that because it was different. I mentioned the bug to my brother who said, ok let's build a tube chassis car and put the Buick in it. I was like, did you win the lottery? I think I just want to get the Mustang running and take it to the track a lot. He said, oh, well have fun with your small block ford...if you want me to be involved why don't you do something different like a 2.3T? I said, ok, wanna help. He laughed, but 2 weeks ago I had to go to OK and found on FB Market a pretty complete 87 TurboCoupe 2.3. I already have the 2.3 - 5.0 bellhousing adapter and flywheel, so I could just sell the 5.0 out of my 85 and drop the 2.3 in and go to town. But I know that it will be pretty easy to hit 11.49 and need a roll bar. AND it would be a lot easier to go faster to get something lighter, rather than start adding fiberglass parts to the 85 and gutting it.

    I know it's no show car and the paint is shot, but it's in decent shape with parts more suited for a street machine. 4 wheel discs, 5 lug conversion, the A/C is intact, although it's leaked out now. I'm almost thru with the rewiring and it runs, so I am going to list it a couple of ways.

    1. I could trade it complete for a roller with some money back to me.
    2. I could take the engine and transmission out (brand new t5z, sell those) and swap roller for roller.
    3. Sell it outright complete.

    My preferences for a trade are a 60-63 Falcon, 70-72 small bumper Maverick (Comet) or light Fox Body (with drag upgrades already in place.

    I guess I'll get to working on it some more and see if I can find a dance partner.
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    I did do some work today. Got out my tiny, almost toy like FC90 flux welder and welded a bolt into the fender bracket where one of the studs broke when I removed the fender. It's been a minute since I've welded and I didn't really have anything to test the weld settings, so I just went for it. And blew a hole in the bracket. Turned down the voltage and buggered that bolt in place. It's hanging up painted and drying now. I got all my grounds tight and zip tied all my excess wires together up behind the nose. I tied the main harness and hood release cable up to the fender support to get it up and out of the way of the inner fender liner when it gets back on. I'm not sure if it will fit as is, but I have enough slack in the wiring to move around. The hood cable is pretty tight and is pretty much where it is.

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