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    Anyone know where I can find a Bellhousing for a 2.8 V6 with 4 speed SROD transmission? Even out of a Mustang II would work I think?

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    As far as I am aware, the 2.8 bell housing was one year only. IIRC the Mustang II used the RAD transmission, not the SROD.

    Ask me how I know? I actually found one to change our 2.8 from the C3 to the SROD.

    Put an ad in the classifieds. Someone may have one around somewhere. No one keep a 2.8 these days do they?
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    Will do. Yeah its a rare one indeed! Thanks for your help

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    This is a Yes we can post. The Mustang II 2.8 like the one I turbo charged Tickford 2.8 V6style below.




    thankfully, Ford of Germany didn't change much from the back of the engine block from 1962 to 2011.


    YI've had a Fox, a Cortina 2.3 V6, and a 4.0 Explorer, and they are the same basic engine with a block deck extension, 351 Windsor style for the 4.0, but still the same one size fits all Cologne V4/V6 bellhousing pattern.

    Your not as limited as you think. The Cologne V6 is just the ages old Taunus/ Corsair/Mid Engined Mustang II V4 engine also used by Saab. Its been rehased a few million times since 1962, but you can even fit a V8 Tremec TR3650 / TR6060 Adapter using a 2005-2008 4.0 liter V6 adaptor plate if you want.

    Pre 1981 Fox bodies don't have the tunnel space without modifications, but there are no real restrictions if you happen to find earlier or later gearboxes. T5's are the best.

    You can fit in the later 1986-2011 2.9/4.0 Cologne Mazda/ Toyo Kogyo or 2005-2008 Mustang 4.0 T5 V6 gearbox if you have the right crank pilot adaptor machined up and fitted. That allows you to use the Ranger/Explorer/Mustang 4.0 5 speed that was used to 2011. Again, the TK gearbox is really rather restricted for space. The stock T5 from an 05 to 08 would fit pretty easily. You'd just have to rig up a speedo drive from the front hub using a sensor and the 8000 plips per mile, 8 pulse per revolution VRS systemearly EECIV compatibale system, but I didn that back in early 2015 without a problem.



    The 138 teeth ring gear never changed from 1967 to 2011, nor did the bellhousing pattern. Better quality later starter motors swap in too. The crank pilot did change from its early 6 bolt pattern to another kind, and they had different spacers, one was 17 mm different to the other, but basically, your all good to use whatever manual bellhousing and gearbox you find from 1972 to 2011.

    If you find a manual 1972-1978 car, which is rare, a Z code 2.8 Mustang II/Pinto/Bobcat had either

    1. The iron C7 ZA-6394-A bellhousing as found from the European Capri. That had a metric geabox a bellhous as per the Saab style 1.7 V4 version of the V6, and other oddball 2.0/2.3/2.6 V6 options starting from 1967 onwards. It fits the 2.0 Pinto and 2.3 Lima RAD gearbox, which was a German gearbox anyway. U code 2.6 import Capris had it too.

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    2. From 1974 onwards domestics, the Mustang II had an alloy bellhousing, like this D4ZA 6394 CC, for the German RUG trans or the SR4 or later SROD.


    The Fox Z code 2.8 liter was still SROD


    Later, you could have eithet Toyo Kogyo or Mitsubishi 5 speeds with the center hole hydraulic clutch IN 2.9's or 4.0's


    Or the T9's in the rare 1988-1989 Scorpio 145 hp 2.9 manuals





    You can fit a World Class T5 to it with a little triming work. See http://v6alpine.blogspot.co.nz/p/blog-page.html



    Custom built Cologne V6 to T5 transmission bellhousing. 2.6, 2.8, 2.9 and 4.0l. Great for Capri, Mustang II, Ranger, Bronco II, Explorer or custom engine swap. Comes with flywheel, scatter plate and starter

    The stock Mustang II uses a cable operated clutch

    Thats fairly common for US 1972 to 1980 non Fox mustangs, like the Euro Capri, Mustang II/Pinto/Bobcat, but isn't the same as the later Fox alloy bellhousing. The 1983-1985 Ranger/Bronco II 4 speed manual has a hydraulic throw out bearing, to operate the clutch, which bolts to the inside of the Ranger bellhousing..

    Each of the 2.6 or 2.8 V6's has the bump for the starter is on the driver´s side.

    The Mustang bellhousing has a bellcrank to operate the clutch, that has an arm that sticks up from the drivers, side of the bellhousing, which is where you will be connecting the hydraulic slave cylinder to release the clutch. You can´t miss it.


    Note well. The 135 teeth ring gear four cylinder 2.0/2.3 bellhousing looks almost identical, but has the starter bump on the passenger side, which will not work on the V6.

    As of 1980, when the gearbox codes changed,

    4 = TREMEC
    6 = Borg Warner
    7 = Hummer

    The EAO 2.0 Pinto German ET/Hummer or Mustang II 2.3 4 speeds are a FOG or Rocket or Type E boxes, and had a threaded ring and locking tab only on the Ford Cortina MKIII/Pinto/Bobcat/71-78 Capri tailshaft housing. The Pinto trans is 13 3/4" from tail housing front to shifter center



    Just check the shifter. If it lookes like this...



    then its the common pre Fox kind. That can still work, but the Fox Mustang-Capri version has 11" from tail housing front to shifter center and has the 3 bolt attachment type like the SROD and Tremec T140 5 speed bolts for the shifter (instead of the screw in type).


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    Quote Originally Posted by 10strokin View Post
    Anyone know where I can find a Bellhousing for a 2.8 V6 with 4 speed SROD transmission? Even out of a Mustang II would work I think?
    I have a 2.8 bell housing and rad 4 speed that I will sell. I initially took the rad out of my Austin Healey Saxon (replica) and replaced it with a t-5 that used the same bell housing. I later took the 2.8 v6 out of the Saxon and replaced it with an '87 thunderbird turbo and used the same t-5 transmission and a mustang bell housing. I know how rare that combo is, so I kept both the transmission and the bell housing. I will sell them both together for $200 plus shipping, but will not separate them and sell one without the other.

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    is this a Mustang II 2.8 bell housing? was it modified to fit the T5? thanks, Kevin

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    Cologne V6's are there own kind of bellhousing. The Vulcan 3.0's and HSC/HSO OHV 2.3/2.5's and Escort 1600/1900 are all the same, so are SHO's. Pinto SOHC in line 4 cylinder EAO's, although also of German Cologne design and the USA/Brazillian Lima SOHC 4cylinders are similar to each other, not same as the Cologne V6.

    The import 2.8 cars got 4-speed German FOG's and C3 autos's but not the USA made RAD's or RUG's


    Just watch out though, like RUG's, RAD's can be two types.

    Its typical of Fords parts lumping Bobcat (Pinto/Mustang II) /Fox and X-shells (Granada/Monarch) all together,

    Just like they lumped Motorcraft carbs as 1946C/6149/6153/YFA/5200/6520/5740/2150/ VV2700/VV7200/2300EG/4180C/CFI HSC/CFI 6 and CFI V8's all in one nice sh!+ hole bundle of easy to confuse info. Could be any one of 14 fuel delivery devices between 1979 and 1987, my good man...


    RUG's can be
    German Design ET (wrongly listed as the FOG in some litrature)
    or US SROD, made by Ford/Orion and then Tremec as the T170

    Similarly, RAD's can be
    SR4 Mustang II's (4cyl, v6, V
    SR4 Single rails from Fox body (2.3/2.3 Turbo)
    T4 one year only for 1981 3.3's, essentially a 4 speed T5, based on the SR4 gearbox.

    The T5 bolt pattern all started with the Borg Warner made, Ford stamped 1974 SR4; the T5 was 90% based on it, and they then made strength based changes to turn into into a T4 or T5 for Jeeps, Datsuns, Chevs and Fords from 1980 to 1983;


    To answer this question

    Quote Originally Posted by birdfan56 View Post
    is this a Mustang II 2.8 bell housing? was it modified to fit the T5? thanks, Kevin

    The DYNOMITE!



    good news is the SR4 and T4 transmission has the same transmission to bellhousing bolt pattern as a T5, making it a direct swap into one of these cars
    .

    Ford did it that way from 1974 onwards, with the exception of the cable clutch detail and some spigot size and other input shaft differences, its T5 capable.

    The Trans Tag codes are:-

    Ford 3 speed TopLoader based 3spd Tremec RAN one year on Fox 3.3's 1978
    Ford Type 4 German ET Hummer/Rocket based FOG with iron case and screw in shifter (1972-1980 Non Fox Pinto/Import Capri 1972-197
    Ford Type 4 German ET Hummer/Rocket based RUG and ET subcode with iron case and SROD style three bolt shifter (1979-1987)
    Ford SROD Iron case, or alloy case 6 cyl or V8, I6's, RUG-DE EA, V8s RUG-xx-EM identifier ( a T170, downgraded RUG Toploader )
    Ford Tremec T140, T141, T140VS are RAP_AA_DA24_E0ZR_AA_ 1100 or RAP_AG_LB27_E1ZR_NA_ 0658 etc
    Ford SR4 Case 13 32 or 13 40 RAD (A Jeep, Mustang II and Fox transmission with Ford name cast on the alloy case)
    Borg Warner T4 Case 13 51 RAD (1981 only, and its exactly the same as a Non World Class T5)
    Borg Warner T5 Case 13 52; 4cyl is often RUP, or 8 cyl REP (1983 onwards)

    The 1979-1986 Fox door tag codes to look for to avoiding getting a RUG when all you want is a RAD are:

    4, SROD (I6 3.3 1980-1981 only, V8 5.0 1982-1983 only)
    5 5.0 V8 so called SROD gearbox (1979 only; excludes 5 code 1980-1983)
    or 7 Non SROD ET gearbox (all years 79-86)


    I think thats how it goes.

    You all have tried to work it out before...

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    I have a 2.8 V-6 bell housing from a '79 Mustang. It mated to a SROD, which uses the same transmission bolt pattern as the older top loader transmissions, not the SR-4, T-4, or T-5 transmission bolt pattern.

    It's on a shelf in my garage- I can pull it down and get pictures and a casting number, if you'd like.

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    Manual Bell housing



    1. C7 ZA-6394-A is any early FOG Rocket Hummer Transmission bellhousing which can be made to work with the right cable clutch fork and a redrill to TopLoader bolt battern.


    2. D4ZA-6394-CC is an early match with the 4.850" pilot. It has to have redrilled to suit the T170 Tremec SROD trans. The normal trans with this bell is the SR-4. Housing RF-D5ZR-7006-BA (along with this sequence 13-32-065-903) and the top cover casting number RF-D9ZR-7222-AA (along with the sequence 13-32-097-902).


    3. IIRC, D9ZA -6394-AA is the 1979 SROD V6 bellhousing. The one year only D9 bellhousing matches with the SROD trans with the A ratio set code , RUG EA D*** ***** XXXX Ratio #1: 3.29 1st, 1.84 2nd, 1.00 3rd, 0.81 4th, and 3.29 Rev.

    Mustang/ Capri V8 SROD's are M code, and there are three other B. C and D codes for heavy commericial vehicles and trucks.


    A is the basic widest intermediate ratios, and smallest 0.81:1 top gear OD. The SROD and OD 9 bolt TopLoaders have five different gear sets altogether.

    David Kee TopLoaders doesn't even list it, but mmerlinn.com does.

    http://mmerlinn.com/catalog/yoodile2...c/fdlfc930.htm

    7th down, in the pinkish color.


    Note that
    D9ZR 6394 AA, the cable 2.3 bell housing, definately not the same
    D9BC-6392 CA is the SROD in line six bellhousing, definately not the same.
    E1ZR-6394-AA is the T4 in line six bellhousing, definately not the same.
    D9ZC-6394-BA is the V8 5.0 SROD bellhousing, not the same. https://davids4speeds.com/product/fo...g-bellhousing/

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