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    Default Kansas City Guys - Mustang Club Show Saturday June 27th

    http://mustangclubofgreaterkc.com/Do...ion%20Form.pdf

    Not sure what class I'll be judging this year. But I also wanted to offer some important tips to my 4-eyed brethren... MCA judging sheets for local shows are based more on CLEANLINESS and CONDITION, not "Correctness". Make sure your car is CLEAN if you want to score well... And this local club is HUGE on clean.

    The 1st area on the judging sheet is interior. Start with a good impression there, and the judges tend to look at everything else a little easier too. Sometimes, we really need to pay attention to the BASICs. Best part about this list, is that it won't cost you a dime - only time!

    My Top 10 Car Show Tips (from a judges perspective):

    1) Empty the car. Don't leave oil bottles, Bubba mugs, jumper cables, or today's McDonalds trash on the seats, console, floor, or trunk...

    2) Vacuum the carpet!!! When you get to the show, use tape wrapped around your hand to remove last minute loose pebbles, dustbunnies, etc.

    3) Remove the floormats and/or clean under them. They only stay in the car if they are factory and in GREAT shape.

    4) Don't try to hide your cracked dash under a ballcap or showroom brochure... Really?

    5) Beautiful paint and fresh wax, but remove the wax residue from seams, trim, and emblems, please! Toothbrush time!

    6) Fluids belong on the inside, not the outside of your engine, master cylinder, PS pump. Clean up leaks.

    7) Plug wires do not HAVE to look like spaghetti. A few minutes cleaning and organizing here is HUGE for the 1st impression.

    8 ) How DO you see thru those windows??? Clean them all, inside & out.

    9) If your wheels have openings, you need to clean the inside of the rim!

    10) CLEAN - door jambs, trunk hinges, bottom inside of doors, hood hinges, pedals, latches, kick panels, sunvisors. If I can see it, it's fair game!


    And, here's a few bonus suggestions if you want to go the extra mile:

    1. Clean the rocks out of your tire treads.

    2. Use tire gloss on the tires, not the pavement. BLACK is more important than SHINY, but whatever you do, don't leave your spot looking like the Exxon Valdez is parked there. (I personally use a satin gloss product - leaves 'em black!)

    3. Leave your trophy and stuffed animal collection at home. Don't let extra display items detract from the car. Too much gets in the judges way...

    4. Steal the wife's long handle dishwasher scrub brush and remove bugs from the radiator and A/C condenser. I know one judge who always looks at THIS 1st thing, and it forms his impression for how the rest of the car will do.

    5. Clean out the trunk!


    Finally, and this is important - trunk and hood open, doors closed but unlocked, and windows/conv top UP!!!


    HOPE TO SEE A BUNCH OF 4-EYES next weekend!




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    1986 Saleen #145
    now 50k miles - still 98% original.

    I'm all for helping the helpless, but I don't give a rat's ass about the clueless anymore.

    Previous: 79 Cobra, 82 GT, 83 GT, 85 Twister, 85.5 SVO, 86 GT, 87 GT, 91 Saleen, etc....

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    Those are great tips for any show, not just this one. Thanks 1986Saleen! Man I love this car btw...nothing looks better than a four eyed Saleen...nothing.
    Cheers!

    Mike (TopGear85)



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    ***August 2015 ROTM Winner!***

    Had:
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    86GT-9L,TuTone,5spd,T-Tops,Sand Beige
    86GT-9L,TuTone,5spd,T-Tops,Charcoal
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    Thanks for posting. It's always nice to know the rules!
    "Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone driving faster than you is a maniac."
    George Carlin, Rest in peace

    Rick
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    I'll be there. I won't guarantee clean enough, but I just go for fun.
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    Great info Bob! Good to see everyone out today too! I took these tips from Bob last year to this year. I think my showing was better than last year, but I had the same result (hard to improve on 1st :-) )
    2011 Mustang GT Track Day car
    1985 Mustang Dominator GT

    Previous cars:
    1979 Mustang 5.0 upgraded to a 351W (1987 - 1991)
    1985 Black Mustang GT Dominator T-Top (bought from Bluesfannoz In 1992 sold in 1993 RIP)
    1990 Mustang GT Titanium hardtop w/black leather (1993 - 1994)
    2004 Mustang GT w/a few bolt ons 255 RWHP (2004 - 2006)
    1985 Mustang GT Medium Canyon Red Factory Sunroof 32,000 miles - Sold to the right person (2013 - 2016)

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    Great job yesterday by the entire Kansas City 4-eye crew...
    Cars were all cleaned up REALLY nice, and I believe each of us took home 1st in our class.
    We proved that "4-eyes ARE better than 2!!! " LOL.

    Of course, when my class is 1984 - 2013 Saleen, and I'm the ONLY car in it, it's kinda like kissing your own sister....

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    1986 Saleen #145
    now 50k miles - still 98% original.

    I'm all for helping the helpless, but I don't give a rat's ass about the clueless anymore.

    Previous: 79 Cobra, 82 GT, 83 GT, 85 Twister, 85.5 SVO, 86 GT, 87 GT, 91 Saleen, etc....

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    That's such a hot car. Red 85/86's Saleens with silver stripes are amazing and I am not bias at all.
    Cheers!

    Mike (TopGear85)



    Have:
    85 Saleen #73-GT,2R,TuTone,Cruise,Pos,5spd,Charcoal
    ***August 2015 ROTM Winner!***

    Had:
    79PC-San Jose #2890
    86GT-9L,TuTone,5spd,T-Tops,Sand Beige
    86GT-9L,TuTone,5spd,T-Tops,Charcoal
    90LX-Oxford Wht,5spd,Sunroof,5.0 Hatchback
    90GT-Oxford Wht,5spd

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    Cheers!

    Mike (TopGear85)



    Have:
    85 Saleen #73-GT,2R,TuTone,Cruise,Pos,5spd,Charcoal
    ***August 2015 ROTM Winner!***

    Had:
    79PC-San Jose #2890
    86GT-9L,TuTone,5spd,T-Tops,Sand Beige
    86GT-9L,TuTone,5spd,T-Tops,Charcoal
    90LX-Oxford Wht,5spd,Sunroof,5.0 Hatchback
    90GT-Oxford Wht,5spd

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopGear85 View Post
    That's such a hot car. Red 85/86's Saleens with silver stripes are amazing and I am not bias at all.
    Bias? Nah, not one bit!!! LOL.
    1986 Saleen #145
    now 50k miles - still 98% original.

    I'm all for helping the helpless, but I don't give a rat's ass about the clueless anymore.

    Previous: 79 Cobra, 82 GT, 83 GT, 85 Twister, 85.5 SVO, 86 GT, 87 GT, 91 Saleen, etc....

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    Yep, we all came in first in our class, though I do think I was the only one with others in my class. . If I would have lost to the guy who came in second with the gold drag lites, I would have never entered that show again, just on principle.
    83 Mustang GT , A5 5 speed, 31 spline Cobra rear, LMR TRX, 302 11r 190 heads, Buddy Rawls custom cam

    86 Capri , 342 stroker , AFR 185 heads, Track Heat intake, 3.73 gears

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    There were actually several in my class. Most of them were aero cars, but I bet there were at least 4 or 5 others in the occasional driven 79-93.

    And, yeah, those wheels were hideous!

    Quote Originally Posted by 4eyedfoxdriver View Post
    Yep, we all came in first in our class, though I do think I was the only one with others in my class. . If I would have lost to the guy who came in second with the gold drag lites, I would have never entered that show again, just on principle.
    2011 Mustang GT Track Day car
    1985 Mustang Dominator GT

    Previous cars:
    1979 Mustang 5.0 upgraded to a 351W (1987 - 1991)
    1985 Black Mustang GT Dominator T-Top (bought from Bluesfannoz In 1992 sold in 1993 RIP)
    1990 Mustang GT Titanium hardtop w/black leather (1993 - 1994)
    2004 Mustang GT w/a few bolt ons 255 RWHP (2004 - 2006)
    1985 Mustang GT Medium Canyon Red Factory Sunroof 32,000 miles - Sold to the right person (2013 - 2016)

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    Finally, and this is important - trunk and hood open, doors closed but unlocked, and windows/conv top UP!!!

    Hey Bob, what is the thinking behind windows and conv top up? From a spectators view point, I think it would be much more appealing to have top and windows down? Is this to judge the condition of the top and see if the windows are clean??
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    From my understanding of the rules, yes they not only want to see them clean, but that they work. They want to make sure your top doesn't have holes in it or duct tape on it and that your windows have glass in them and they go up and down.
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    "Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone driving faster than you is a maniac."
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    Exactly - if you can't see them, you can't judge them. That's why they want to see them.
    Kind of like a closed hood or trunk - who know what kind on nastiness lurks unseen?
    1986 Saleen #145
    now 50k miles - still 98% original.

    I'm all for helping the helpless, but I don't give a rat's ass about the clueless anymore.

    Previous: 79 Cobra, 82 GT, 83 GT, 85 Twister, 85.5 SVO, 86 GT, 87 GT, 91 Saleen, etc....

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    Liked the classes better before they recently combined 4eyes and aero nose cars
    1985 Twister 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC Tony View Post
    Liked the classes better before they recently combined 4eyes and aero nose cars
    On paper, 79-93 is one class. If a sufficient number of cars show up to justify splitting the class, that can be done (and has been) during the show.
    It's up to us to bring the cars out... If only a few 79-86 cars show, you can't expect specific classes.

    FWIW, I understand... My Saleen class is "1984-2013", and other local Mustang shows even combine us with Roush...
    But, it would be unreasonable to expect them to split that when I'm usually the only Fox Saleen. Winning a "1 car class" isn't much fun anyway - it's kinda like kissing your own sister....
    Last edited by 1986Saleen; 08-11-2015 at 06:21 AM.
    1986 Saleen #145
    now 50k miles - still 98% original.

    I'm all for helping the helpless, but I don't give a rat's ass about the clueless anymore.

    Previous: 79 Cobra, 82 GT, 83 GT, 85 Twister, 85.5 SVO, 86 GT, 87 GT, 91 Saleen, etc....

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    GREAT INFORMATION especially for a newbie to Mustangs and car shows. Personally have a black 86 GTO, 5.0 Hatchback with 51K miles. Mr Ed

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