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    How about a web brace with the subframes......?
    https://www.buystifflers.com/webbrace79-04mustang.aspx

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    Was that a dealer fix if someone complained or did that end up as standard on later cars?

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    I do not believe it was available factory or dealer. Later Factory used a rivet on support on the rocker panel along the pinch weld. Earlier cars did not have it but it was available as a kit.
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    I have an 84 LX convertible. My front windshield header is lifted up away from the glass in the top center. I'm sure its supposed to be flush enough all around the windshield for the rubber weather stripping to press against the glass.

    When it rains I get a bad leak right in the center. And I just changed the convertibles top seal all around last summer and its tight. I am sure water is intruding under the header and finding its way in and dripping below the steel inner header panel. The convertibles seal is always bone dry. Its not leaking at the seal.

    I am thinking the only way to remedy this is to remove the 2 header panel pieces and twist them gently and re seat them correctly. The thing is that I cant see how to remove them. There's one screw in the center of the header panel. But there's more to it I think under the A pillars.

    Getting the doors to close right and not leak by the side view mirrors was a major pain so I don't want to just start pulling stuff off until I have a good idea what to remove. I cant find a diagram of the header panel assembly. Does anyone here have either a Ford tooling diagram or photos of their header assemble removed? This is a project I must do this summer. I put it off last year hoping the new weather stripping was the fix.

    This gap is so bad the replacement weather stripping I put on when the car was painted 3 summers ago wont stay in place.
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    I have not had an issue with a gap. I pulled a spare set of vert trim from a junk yard. I plan to have it powder coated so I can swap out trim on my other 2 cars. I don't recall much trouble getting it off. There was some foam behind it, maybe on the side pieces. I will have look closely when I remove them.

    I have not seen much in the way of drawings in the Ford parts book. Possibly the convertible manual used foe adjusting the windows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fgross2006 View Post
    ......I cant find a diagram of the header panel assembly. Does anyone here have either a Ford tooling diagram or photos of their header assemble removed?......
    Would this be of any help??

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    Here you go...................




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    Thank you so much.


    Looking at sheet 45, it shows 2 screws on either end of the headers. Apparently they are not accessible without removing the A pilar weather strip bracket. That's what I was afraid of. They don't go back in so easy. last time was a nightmare.

    As for my misshapen headers, has anyone else had that problem? I was thinking I could twist them by hand and torque them into the right position but I wont know until I remove them completely.

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    Any suggestions on what to use to fill in the space under the headers? The original material was something that solidified like charcoal brick. I had stuffed foam from Home Depot in last time but I am sure that will absorb water and not repel it. What's the thought on filling the gap with expanding foam and trimming in to level with a ling razor?

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    When I went through my 85 back in 2011 I did away with that small windshield weather stripping. I went with a black caulk tape that I built up behind the top and side header trim. I worked it such that it sat just under and behind the outside trim so you really can't see it so it has a clean look and doesn't leak through which won't rust out that metal window frame. I would not put foam back in there unless it is a closed cell to keep it from holding moisture in there.
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    I have never had mine off the 88 so I'm not sure how to re-seal.

    Sheet 45 does show that seal part but I have not found anybody that reproduces that piece.

    "Seal W/S Header- 52" (1)"

    Maybe take very careful measurement and have a top shop custom make a piece.

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    so here's my update.

    I spent the day yesterday working on the header trim. As I already knew. the A pillar seals and the racks they mount in had to come out. After all the time it took to get my doors to finally close right I knew I'd regret tampering.

    I removed the pilar seals, pulled off the 2 posts on either side of the header. Everything was going well until I started to reassemble. However, I was correct in my idea to reshape the header rails by hand. I tweaked them and laid them back in place a few times until the line ran along the glass like its supposed to. For the internal seal I went to local hardware store and got a big fat AC seal. I needed to trim it. Took about 1/3 off. The header sandwiched it nice. I also took time to clean and paint everything with SEM Trim black.

    I put the passenger side A Pillar backet back in, put the seal in place. Tested the door and it closes exactly as it did before. I had trouble putting the pillar cap back on the passenger side. It suddenly slipped in and all was good. The driver side. No such luck. After putting the pillar bracket and weather stripping in the door no longer closes right. The glass lays on top of the weatherstrip. Not in the crevice. And I new that was gonna happen.

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    But the worst was yet to come. The driver side Pillar cap just would not go back in. I tried to be patient and finesse it. But a no go, is a no go. It was the A pillar bracket that was hanging up the pillar cap. I lessened all 3 screws, almost removing the thing, and It found its place. But not before I cracked my windshield and put some massive scratches on driver front fender.

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    This was not a rush job. I took all day with this. Final result, The header lays perfect.

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    But now I have to pay the body shop to fix my fender and I'm putting in a glass claim with my classic car insurance co. Anybody have experience with Condon Skelly? I was at a glass shop for over an hour while they talked on the phone with the rep. As we left it, it takes 4 hours for approval. So as of now I still don't know if insurance will cover the glass. But the thing that really sucks is that all the trim I just spent a day taking off and reinstalling, has to all come off again to replace the glass.

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    That sucks man. Hope the insurance comes through for you.
    Funny though, I have cracks in the right bottom corner on my 88 vert windshield for about 10 years now. I do not want to replace it, so since it does not leak and the windshield wipers do not swipe over the cracks it passes safety test. Come to think of it my 85 notch has a crack as well but again it does interfere with the wipers so it passes safety as well.

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    Im good to go with the glass claim. It was approved and the car goes to the glass shop Friday. Then to the body shop for damage repair to the fender..

    Im gonna have to remove the A pilar track and try to adjust its position on driver side door.

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    Just for the heck of it I got a quote of $432.85 to replace my 88 verts windshield (+$50, I have to buy the side weather strips). Yeah, I'm leaving the cracks....LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by webestang View Post
    Just for the heck of it I got a quote of $432.85 to replace my 88 verts windshield (+$50, I have to buy the side weather strips). Yeah, I'm leaving the cracks....LOL
    Dont you have classic car insurance? It cost me a whopping $208 a year to insure my 84 at $10,000. Glass coverage was included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fgross2006 View Post
    Dont you have classic car insurance? It cost me a whopping $208 a year to insure my 84 at $10,000. Glass coverage was included.
    I really need to look into that for my 85 and 88. I never got it in past because these cars were so cheap (paid $1350 for my 85 in 2009) but now they are up there in price my 85 might be at least worth $5-6k now.

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    1996 Crown Vic LX 4.6 Silver "Gort" Scraped- RIP

    Past Pony's.....
    68 Coupe Inline-6 3-Speed-Man. Primer
    78 II Hatch 302 3-Speed-Auto Sunroof Black
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    Quote Originally Posted by webestang View Post
    I really need to look into that for my 85 and 88. I never got it in past because these cars were so cheap (paid $1350 for my 85 in 2009) but now they are up there in price my 85 might be at least worth $5-6k now.
    Yep, and you can insure it at that value for a little over a Benjamin a year...that's what I pay for my 85 GT vert, it's an agreed value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bwguardian View Post
    Yep, and you can insure it at that value for a little over a Benjamin a year...that's what I pay for my 85 GT vert, it's an agreed value.
    what I like about my insurance is that you can set the value you want to insure for, as long as its within reason they will accept it. Originally I insured my 84 vert for $7500, but after doing bodywork and paint 4 summers ago, I raised my insured value to 10,000. They wanted pictures of the car, inside and out, but they allowed me to upgrade my premium.

    Also, most classic car insurance companies limit you to 3k miles per year. My policy with Condon Skelly allows me unlimited mileage, and also allows limited use for commuting.

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