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    I love the idea. Dare to be different. Cant wait to see more.
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    don't crush them! rebuild her!!!!!!! good job.

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    Well its been a little bit and here's the update. I've made a roll around dolly so I can work on the lower portion of the body as well as create matching reference points from side to side. There are additional beams that go on the dolly that are parallel and level to each other. The reason for this is so I can take a measurement point on the left and then reproduce it on the right. As I am working on the lower portion of the door and quarter, I came up with the radius seen here in cardboard and duck tape. I have been looking at it for a few days and think I'm ready to move forward with the current lines. Opinions?Name:  002.jpg
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    It looks like no widening will be done on the door, correct?
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    As Mike stated above it appears that very little widening will start on the doors. The issues I see with this is that due to the shear additional width you plan on adding to the rear (and I assume ultimately the front) the transition is very abrupt and tends to make the "Flares" just jump out or look a bit more "tacked" on to the car.

    This is the same dilemma I have considered on my street replica of the Gloy/7-Eleven Trans Am cars. I like the Coke bottle shape more than a slab sided widened body, so part of me wants to have the flares taper into the original door skin, but the other part of me considers that it may be easier to just add the door skin onto the original doors that widen the whole car. Unfortunately I have not had any time to work on mine lately and not sure when I will have the change in the immediate future.

    Although it's more work, I would seriously consider moving the start of the rear flare more towards the center of the door to allow for more of a taper or transition. That is unless you prefer the flares to just stay on the fenders and quarters. Essentially you have two different looks to consider as to what you like better.

    This style is the widened fender/quarter with stock doors look.

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    This is a similar style although more of the early just rounded bulging fenders and quarters rather than trying to match body lines.

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    Here is another option that I like a lot, although I believe you have widened your rear track more than this car, so again the transition will be more pronounced.

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    Finally the Trans Am/IMSA cars of the mid 80's with the fully widened boy including the doors.










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    Looks like he's widening a good section of the doors, at least forward of the door handle by a few inches. I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis T View Post
    Looks like he's widening a good section of the doors, at least forward of the door handle by a few inches. I like it.
    +1

    He definitely appears to have brought the flare inwards on the door probably 10" or so. This car is going to be killer when it hits the ground running!
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    The flares start about a foot before the end of the door, the pic is on an angle do its deceiving Name:  013.jpg
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    ^ that's a better view, I see now. Looks good
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis T View Post
    Looks like he's widening a good section of the doors, at least forward of the door handle by a few inches. I like it.
    Quote Originally Posted by 84StangSVT View Post
    +1

    He definitely appears to have brought the flare inwards on the door probably 10" or so. This car is going to be killer when it hits the ground running!
    The proportions or the ratio of how wide over how long a distance is my point. Does he want a rapid flare that really jumps out at you like this.

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    Or This

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    Or does He want some that is just as wide, but not as abrupt like this:

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    Or this:

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    Some like one style, some like the other style. Ultimately it's up to his decision and preferences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4eyedgirlsdoitbetter View Post
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    That is definitely a better angle and view of the flare. I would just recommend trying to get all of the flare covered and in one solid color. Then step back and view it from as many angles as possible to make sure it has the flow, flare, and shape that you want. It can be very hard to get a good feel for custom work like this without seeing it from different angles, views, and different vantage points. Often you will love the look from one angle, but from another it just doesn't work or look right.

    Good Luck!

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    Its definitely more gradual but it will never look exactly like the imsa car due to the bottom portion of the door on the imsa car doesn't tuck like the factory doors do. Fortunately its not a copy just similar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4eyedgirlsdoitbetter View Post
    Its definitely more gradual but it will never look exactly like the imsa car due to the bottom portion of the door on the imsa car doesn't tuck like the factory doors do. Fortunately its not a copy just similar.
    This is true, but you're telling me that you couldn't weld on a lower skirt/aero package to the doors to complete the look? Looking at what you've done so far, I find that hard to believe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wraithracing View Post
    This is true, but you're telling me that you couldn't weld on a lower skirt/aero package to the doors to complete the look? Looking at what you've done so far, I find that hard to believe!

    Trey
    Funny you said that, I sat there for a while and thought about doing that. I am planning on having intakes in the lower corner of the door which would carry through the quarter and into the turbos. It may change the whole look but I want to follow function first. I wish I had a wind tunnel to see which way would flow better into the intakes, that would make this minor detail easier for me to make a decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4eyedgirlsdoitbetter View Post
    Funny you said that, I sat there for a while and thought about doing that. I am planning on having intakes in the lower corner of the door which would carry through the quarter and into the turbos. It may change the whole look but I want to follow function first. I wish I had a wind tunnel to see which way would flow better into the intakes, that would make this minor detail easier for me to make a decision.
    I think I would look at doing a NACA duct on the quarter windows for air flow to the turbos. I don't think normally you would have a good ram air affect down on the side skirts that would really supply enough outside air to be beneficial.

    The other concern is that air flow that low on the car can easily pick up debris, dirt, etc. that can clog air filters and damage turbos and internal engine parts if it gets past the filters. I would prefer my air flow to come from as high up on the car as possible. You could possible use a duct down there as a brake cooling duct if you want that look, although not period correct it would be a good source for the brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wraithracing View Post
    I think I would look at doing a NACA duct on the quarter windows for air flow to the turbos.
    Trey
    Did mine this way, seems to be working well.

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    Thanks for the input, this really helps me. Trey, your absolutely correct it would be stupid of me to not modify the door. Also, good point on the intake, I may just do a small intake to serve as brake cooling. I went back last night and added this panel template. I like it better as it softened that bottom line.

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    Crap sorry about the pics. iPhone is at it again. I'll fix it later
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4eyedgirlsdoitbetter View Post
    ...I wish I had a wind tunnel...
    You could set up a couple of large standing fans and use a plastic squirt bottle with baby powder to simulate some wind/airflow over the car to check intake placement. Set the fans back from the car, directly in front of the nose, and running on the highest setting. Squirt the baby power into the wind while a video camera records the flow pattern.

    Granted, this method is by no means accurate for high-speed wind-tunnel testing, but it will give you an idea of what the flow patterns might look like.
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    Moose, that's a really good idea! I will give that a try after I do the fender area.
    Thank you
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    My pleasure. I'm glad I could contribute something to your project.
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    I am not sure how much information you can really gain with some stationary fans, unless they are some really big and powerful fans. You can definitely give it a try, but I wouldn't put too much stock in any information you learn. I would use it as advisory or limited at best.

    I would also recommend that rather than using the baby powder, I would recommend using small pieces of string or very light weight plastic tape (either of them brightly colored), cut pieces around 2-3 inches in length and then tape them down to the areas of the body that you want to check. Turn the fans on and watch the airflow by how the strings/tapes are moving. This allows you to view for a much longer time and even take pictures of the areas if you want.

    I know you are still in the fabrication stage and not really in a drive able state, but if you can hold off on installing/fabricating your NACA ducts and brake ducts until the car moves under it's own power, you can do the wind/string test with the car on the street or race track at actual speeds. Many grassroots racers use these same tricks to sort out aero pieces on their own without the use of a wind tunnel. If you have a Go-Pro or other type of sports camera, you can mount that in areas you want to verify and attach all the strings/tapes as needed then go out and make a lap or a couple of miles at speed and see what the "Tale of the Tape" is! You could try the same thing with the vehicle on a trailer, but the tow vehicle is going to alter the wind flow and put you into more of a drafting state that a normal driving/racing state.

    Good Luck!

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    Maybe a barn/agricultural fan, like one of these.



    This one was in a Tractor supply store. My daughter liked it. I bet is could be used to keep your garage cool too.

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    nice.
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    I have a fan just like that from when I had my shop. They do move large amounts of air, but not at high speeds. So they could be useful for some general air flow, but still won't be the same as say 60 MPH on the interstate or a race track.

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