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    Default 82 2.3 zephyr running issue

    Ok so as its running when I hit the gas I get some black smoke out the exhaust. And my plugs keep fauling out all carboned up. Ive replaced the plugs 4 wires cap and rotor 4 times in the last 2 years. So I thought it might be the carb then so I ordered one off rock auto because no local parts stores could get the carb. And rockauto said a canafian emission carb for a standard trans would work. But after I installed it I fould it has no idle screw to raise or lower the idle. And the car had zero power with this carb and it felt like it didnt want to shift out of gear.
    Need help guys

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    They handed you the wrong carb, without the kickdown part.

    The stock 1946 Holley 1-bbl set up is as follows:-

    http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/...6/IMG_5187.jpg
    http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/...6/IMG_5188.jpg

    The adjustable kickdown nut which alters the eagerness of kickdown
    http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/...6/IMG_5195.jpg

    http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/...6/IMG_5194.jpg
    http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/...6/IMG_5189.jpg
    http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/...6/IMG_5190.jpg
    http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/...6/IMG_5191.jpg
    http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/...6/IMG_5192.jpg
    http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/...6/IMG_5193.jpg




    And, because I'm prone to be a grumpy bu99er, I used my best Kermit the Frog Voice, and got the help of my 13 year old on the accelerator...

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    I have that part. The new carb is missing a screw fr9m what I can tell

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    These guys know carbs........ http://www.guaranteedcarburetors.com/

    I bought one for my 2.3 and they were very helpful, got me the right carb and it has a life time warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 82zephyr View Post
    I have that part. The new carb is missing a screw fr9m what I can tell

    Ugh ha!

    Was obvious they were missing a part.

    Hope you get it sorted. They are simple and fun to work on. Do ensure you snub the carb and carb adapter up evenly with a small torque wrench i9f you can, there is only two bolts 180 degrees to each other, and the whole 1-bbl carb wobbles like a b stard after a few years of service.

    Same with the 240/300/4.9 big six truck engines, a leaking carb base is such a common problem, and its sometimes hard to track, and even harder to take the hour or so to snub it down properly. You can do it with hand tools like a cranked open ended spanner, but unless the gaskets are right, its easy to unequally load one bolt, and get a leak.

    The recommended torque settings are here

    http://classicinlines.com/SmallSixSpecs.asp#TorqueSpecs

    Intake = 16-18 lb-ft


    Some 1-bbls on 144-170-200-250 and 240-300's have four bolts with two bolts down low, two up high, the two clocked at a weird angle. Leaks are so common.

    So are vac advance systems that are worn out, or aftermarket distributor caps that don't even have the six leads indexed the way that Ford intended. Although all Ford I6's are the worlds most simple sixes ever, they sure do have a bunch of really simple things that can be wrong that make 'em hard to tune.

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    Well its a 4 bolt flange and I think its a 2 bbl carb. 5200 im pretty sure. And its missing the idle scree to raise or lower the idle. And now I cant return ot because its been on the car

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    Quote Originally Posted by 82zephyr View Post
    Well its a 4 bolt flange and I think its a 2 bbl carb. 5200 im pretty sure. And its missing the idle scree to raise or lower the idle. And now I cant return ot because its been on the car

    The Holley 1946 is listed as on the tag as a Motorcraft #5xxx something, the feedback Holley 1949 and 6149 and 6153 carbs for first year 1984 Tempo/Topaz and 84-87 Canuck Fords is are good ones too. Same stud pattern. Those are not in themselves Holley Weber 5200/5210/6500/6510 or 6520 2-bbl carbs.
    See this vid of a stock 1946
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWNTuryQp6I

    Carb looks like this in all 1978 to 1987 incarnations, and the Slant Six 225 runs that carb too.



    To tune that, just spend the time getting the stock casrb adaptor, emissions, vac lines and ignition mint, then use this method.

    http://www.fordforumsonline.com/thre...g-a-carb.6422/

    If it really is a 5200 series or its brothers, the little Ford SOHC 'Lima' 2.3 ran those (so did Chevettes, Vegas, 2 liter Audi VW engined AMC Gremlins, Mopar Omnis and Rampages with the VW 1.7 and 2.2 Chrylser, K car Mopars, import Fiestas, early import Capri V6's and import Capri 2.0/2.3 I4's). They are 2 V 2-bbl carbs which require a Technico, Stovebolt or Classic in-lines adapter to fit to a log head. Then, the kick-down won't ever work unless you convert your current rod kick-down C5 to cable operation to use the 2.3 liter Fox/Bobcat/Pinto C3 kickdown cable, and fit it to your log head I6.

    See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4qflAXIsZE

    http://home.centurytel.net/fordfan/F...onversion.html
    http://www.albertpenello.com/mustang/engine.html
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/t...-200ci.447791/



    See http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...uretor-options for all info

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    Thats not what my carb looks like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 82zephyr View Post
    Thats not what my carb looks like.

    Ah Cool, that one!

    http://forums.themustangsource.com/a...i6-outline.jpg
    http://forums.themustangsource.com/a...6-106_6996.jpg

    See http://forums.themustangsource.com/f...200-i6-476449/


    The 5200 series carb, depending on which way you have it installed, you will have to custom build either a kick-down cable or accelerator linkage. There are three ways to mount it,




    and there are even similar Weber Carbs which are mirror imaged versions of the 5200.

    You have to use the Holley Weber carb versions Lima 2300 automatic kick-down cable, and fit it to your C5... there is a C4/C5 rod operated system, BUT only works if you are very talented. David Vizard did a picture of one in a SOHC Pinto engine book, but its hard to copy over to an I6. Its too much work. But the cable conversion is doable if you need a hand.

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    I have a 2.3 and every thing is the exact same on the org and and the new card minus the l8ttle scre on the linkage that turns up the idle. I was thinking about tapping a hole to make them both the same to make it work but heres my question will the new carb need to be tuned or will it be already set

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    Quote Originally Posted by 82zephyr View Post
    I have a 2.3 and every thing is the exact same on the org and and the new card minus the l8ttle scre on the linkage that turns up the idle. I was thinking about tapping a hole to make them both the same to make it work but heres my question will the new carb need to be tuned or will it be already set

    Oh, I thought you had a 3.3.

    I'm a dummy....

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    You'll be able to get the car running with what you have.

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    What code number is your carb?


    Here is a Missing in Action Holley Weber 52xx to 65xx List and Makers PN from 1973 until Ford axed the carb in 1983 for the single barrel.

    There is an on line list of the 19 (nineteen) Holley Weber carbs in the 445 carb list below,
    http://holdenpaedia.oldholden.com/im...olleyCarb.html

    These are appended with the Dave Emanual even more extensive list of 8 (eight) other Holley Webers in Super Tuning and Modifying Holley Carburetors.





    There are seven extras just from and afternoon of FEP internet trawling.

    Every Holley Weber on the net seams to have a different list number and part number, which is probably as it should be, since the published Holley lists are for carb kits where as real Holley Webers in service are factory list carbs with a automakers unique production part number

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