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    FEP Power Member 4-barrel Mike's Avatar
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    Hmmm, go to autoplicity.com and check order in upper right corner? (What a miserable website!)

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    Well I have an order number and the item is paid for. I am hoping that someone somewhere had this item on their shelf and I bought it. Next will be the actual fuel tank which amazingly is still available on summit!

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    Btw followed the link in your posts to your fairmont build...very nice! Should be an awesome 4 banger!

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    For what it's worth; the sender being similar to the Mustang senders of similar age--and since the top plate is similar on several Ford models--there is an option still; a bit of work but it should work with tinkering.
    The lock ring is the same as the Thunderbirds (fuel injected) from 83-97, F150 (fuel injected) from 85-97 and a whole host of other Fords; but those two are probably the easiest to find.
    So get a fuel pump assembly from one of those. If you're lucky, the gauge sender will work for you. If not, buy one from a Mustang of the same year as your dash (10-73 ohm, as described elsewhere, for most of our cars, etc etc) or the one that would have been original to your car "if available".
    You'll need to mount that sender to the plate just the same as you'll be hacking up and fitting the fuel pump as described in other threads.
    You'll need to adjust the float so it swings freely from top to bottom to show the tank level.
    You'll need to adjust the outlet pipes so they clear the stuff on the tank (so you can attach your fuel lines).

    It's not "plug and play" but it shouldn't be all that hard, and considering the hacking we're doing with a high pressure pump even if we get the part we really wanted, it's really not all that much more work for a basically new fuel pump and sender assembly.

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    Yeah. They cancelled and refunded me today. I will just repair the one I have.

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    Did you guys think of trying another brand? haha
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    Airtex still has about 10 or so of the E2145S sending units in stock. They recommend ordering it through Napa. I ordered one on Wednesday and picked it up today.
    -John-

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    Well I wasn't able to buy the sending unit, but I did get the spectra f2c fuel tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelzfoxes View Post
    Well I wasn't able to buy the sending unit, but I did get the spectra f2c fuel tank.
    Yep, those are still plentiful. Kind of pointless without the sending unit though.
    Brad

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    double post

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    The E2145S will work, you just have to swap the fuel level rheostat over from your old sending unit. If you don't, the fuel gauge won't read correctly.
    -John-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ford'sCapri View Post
    The E2145S will work, you just have to swap the fuel level rheostat over from your old sending unit. If you don't, the fuel gauge won't read correctly.
    Ok. Thanks! I'll put it on the list! Haha! The never ending list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelzfoxes View Post
    Ok. Thanks! I'll put it on the list! Haha! The never ending list.
    See http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...ng-unit-Repair

    Quote Originally Posted by Whiplash93 View Post
    Well I got sick and tired of not having a working fuel gauge in my Fairmont. I had read the tech article on the front page about using a Ford Tempo unit to repair a Mustang setup. The Mustang and Fairmont sending unit look completely different but figured it might be worth a try and see if it would work. In my haste to get it together I neglected to get and pictures of my swap. The Fairmont and Tempo units are bent in opposite directions so felt it was better to rework then trying to bend the new one to match. I used the stock pickup assembly and cut the wire to the sender, leaving it long. I then measured the pickup tube from the bend to the very end where the screen it. Then I marked and cut it off right next to the sender. I then measured the new (Tempo) unit from the end (screen) to the sending unit. They are almost the same length so I cut the new (Tempo) unit leaving about 1/2" long from the sending. I then took a piece of steel tubing and fit it over the old pickup tube and tacked it into place with my welder (low heat). Then I fit the new sending unit tube to the small adapter pipe and made sure it was oriented properly and taked it into place. Then with a wet towl at hand I slowly welded the to tubes fully keeping it as cool as possible. I then soldered the wires back together and heat shrinked them. Reinstalled it into the fuel tank and she works like a charm. It may be a little easier to remove the plate that holds the sending unit on but was worried about damaging it. Well not the best description but it worked great for me.


    and http://www.foureyedpride.com/joom/in...-art&Itemid=42


    With some help, you can make up a system that works from stock parts. The differnces in level calibration and set up is covred by understanding which parts you can rework.

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    Not sure if this helps you but I was in the process of doing the F2C tank in my box top (just sold the car with the tank setup). This is the sending unit I bought for it and swapped a 255lph pump with a mustang filter screen onto it, a little trimming of the pipe to pump and new clamps but it all fit together nicely. Not sure what ohms the fuel level sender is but I was going to buy an aftermarket gauge for it after I tested to get the correct one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spectra-Prem...item41bb59d6d2
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    1980 Boxtop 306 w/70mm, 10.05 at 142.66 (traction limited) Dart blocked 331ci, S480
    1981 Fairmont 4-door project. 441rwhp on 12.5psi. (SOLD)

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    I bought the matching 4-pin connector to wire it up from Napa, FPC100 is the part number.
    1979 Fairmont wagon 414ci (stock block), 88mm T6, TH400, 9" rear 8.92 at 152.
    1980 Boxtop 306 w/70mm, 10.05 at 142.66 (traction limited) Dart blocked 331ci, S480
    1981 Fairmont 4-door project. 441rwhp on 12.5psi. (SOLD)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiplash93 View Post
    Not sure if this helps you but I was in the process of doing the F2C tank in my box top (just sold the car with the tank setup). This is the sending unit I bought for it and swapped a 255lph pump with a mustang filter screen onto it, a little trimming of the pipe to pump and new clamps but it all fit together nicely. Not sure what ohms the fuel level sender is but I was going to buy an aftermarket gauge for it after I tested to get the correct one. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spectra-Prem...item41bb59d6d2
    Did you get it running with this setup? I mistakenly bought the SP2127H pump, which is almost identical as yours, but is still for a sedan. When I finally got my F2C tank, I noticed that the tank is 10 inches deep from the top, but the pickup and sender only go down 7. That's going to leave darn near 1/4 tank that you can't use. It looks like if you lengthened the return pipe it could work; I just didn't want to get into that kind of modification on a high-pressure assembly. Let me know if you have this same issue. Thanks!

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    Many replacement pumps come with a length of pressure hose and a couple clamps to attach the new pump in place of the original.
    In other words, adding 3" between the top of the pump and the bottom of the sender is pretty much considered a routine job; any leaks in the plumbing will stay inside the tank (so they will drive you nuts trying to find where you're losing pressure, as opposed to being hazardous).

    Since many Ford fuel pump/sender assemblies use the same lock ring and gasket, in a pinch one could use just the top plate of the assembly and build a whole new sending unit onto it.

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    I'll be picking up a 2-door Zephyr coupe in the not-too-distant future, and it will be getting an EFI powertrain eventually, so this whole EFI fuel tank think is something I'm already thinking about. I have no idea what condition the existing tank is in - the car has been sitting since the early 2000s - but a universal EFI conversion in-tank pump is definitely one thing I'll be considering. With that said, I probably should just be planning on a fuel cell, since the car is going to be a dedicated road course car.

    But anyway, just to follow up on ZephyrEFI's post...

    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrEFI View Post
    I saw this on Gearz the other day.

    https://www.holley.com/products/fuel...s/parts/12-130

    Kinda pricey, but you can use it with your F2A and save the expense of buying a tank. Just cut the hole and stick it in. No welding. This LTD sending unit dilemma was the first thing I thought of when I was watching the segment on it. Pretty sweet. Aeromotive has something similar too.
    Holley (from Brad's post): https://www.holley.com/products/fuel...s/parts/12-130
    Aeromotive: https://www.aeromotiveinc.com/produc...hantom-system/ (They've got a few different setups - return, return-less, etc. I haven't dug into what all the different kits actually contain.)
    FiTech: http://fitechefi.com/products/40019/
    Tanks, Inc: http://www.tanksinc.com/index.cfm/pa...prod/prd84.htm
    FAST: http://www.fuelairspark.com/fas/ez-e...mp-systemhtml/

    As Brad said, they're pricey, and I don't know that any of these solve the fuel level sender part of the problem.

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    You're using an original (either yours, or a stock replacement) tank, so you would just use your original sending unit. Nothing works better than the one that's supposed to be there!
    Brad

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    Indeed, hopefully "mine" (it's not mine yet!) is still functional. I'll find out once I have the car in my hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farmerssn95 View Post
    I finally found a fuel pump assembly new! for non digital dash, Its a Carter part # P74556S.
    figured I would pass along the info. And I had a hard time finding it! so good luck to the ones looking!
    The Daddywagon needs this. I found it on ebay. I hope the part arrives as described. My Walbro 255 overheated one of the terminals. This caused failure of pump and left me stranded!

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    That sucks! Hope it works out!

    Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
    Brad

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    And that, gentelmen, is why Ill never buy another fuel injected car without fitting an 83 to 84 Hi Lo style intank and outside tank system. My 186 hp in line 2.5 liter six 1996 Skyline, and my 1998 205 hp 4 liter V6 Explorer did that, and I never lived it down. These were fourwheel drive machines that would take you anywhere; then leave you stranded like what Hal 9000 did to Dave in 2001.

    EFi single stage pumps are the scurge of modern BS. Self contained and simple, they gave the old fly tounge scavenge with no stillage pot. When they are good they are very good, but when bad, they are like a bilge pump that doesnt work in a sinking ship. The old CFi pump system is much better, and you can scavenge diwn to the last ouce.


    But if you have a replacement thats good, then disregard the above.:-)

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    What’s funny is I had to convert the wagon from the CFI dual pump setup to the current single in-tank pump. But fox mustangs everywhere are making do with the single in tank pump. The real problem is the age of my combined sending unit assembly. I am just gonna have to upgrade wherever possible and double check my grounds.

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