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    Hello All, i am trying to get some info on a supposed 1985 "motorsport mustang", owner says it came with a doug nash 5 speed, detroit locker with 3.73's and few other exhaust mods.......o yeah, and a heavy cam? Trusting that you good people can help this pilgrim out.
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    Almost forgot.....there were 250 built.....

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    I spotted an ad on eBay the other day that had the Ford trading card for this car. I can't seem to locate it again. I didn't think it was an 85 but I could be mistaken.

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    Supposedly came with an upgraded cam, high rise intake, bigger carb, hooker headers, 8.8/3.73 AND a doug nash 5 speed built through Ford Motorsport...........guy says its "factory" and were available through FM with 250 built..........i've never heard of anything close to this and we figured if anyone knew it would be FEP............I've got SuperFords as far back as '87 and every issue of MM&FF up till 2003 along with 5.0 mag, FORD performance etc. etc. and have never heard of this thing................here's a FB link where the conversation gets started.............

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    I tried to get pics of a Motorsport mustang awhile back but I was unsuccessful. I couldn't find anyone that had anything. When I posted my thread I wasn't even sure if a Motorsport Mustang/Capri/SVO even existed and because no pictures could be found I'm still unsure. Good luck in your search and if you do find any pics please post them up, I'd love to see this car (if it truly exists).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Blue View Post
    here's a FB link where the conversation gets started.............

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    I never heard of it. I can tell you ford motorsport did not have any doug nash 5 speed offered. They had their own Motorsport world class T-5. But no Doug Nash 5 speed.
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    I believe Maple Grove / Ford car show and drag strip had these unique cars on display. If anyone has some old Super Fords from previous years. They had pictures of them in there.
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    After reading the facebook post. That is complete BS! 8.8" was not available until the 86 catalog. No Doug Nash 5spd. We could go down the list... but its not worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopGear86 View Post
    I tried to get pics of a Motorsport mustang awhile back but I was unsuccessful. I couldn't find anyone that had anything. When I posted my thread I wasn't even sure if a Motorsport Mustang/Capri/SVO even existed and because no pictures could be found I'm still unsure. Good luck in your search and if you do find any pics please post them up, I'd love to see this car (if it truly exists).
    there was a Motorsport Capri built in 1985. never heard of a Mustang version.
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    I will ask a former ford sales rep that helped out on the Twisters 2's what he knows. I am not saying that Ford Motorsport didn't put together some cars to showcase their parts. But they would have showcased FMS parts only. Doug Nash has never sold a 5 speed in the FMS catalog. You would have to cut a huge hole in the tunnel for the shifter!!! Believe me I looked into them after blowing up my 3rd T-5 back in the late 80's! If one was available that fit I would have bought it!
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    The car sounds an awful lot like the 200 or so "Ford Motorsport Nationals" Mustangs that were done up in 1985 at Maplegrove Raceway in Reading, PA. They were STOCK '85 GTs, used for a parade around the track for a "dealer drive away" program. They had a motorsport emblem above the 5.0 on the fenders. (Credit: Fox Mustang Recognition Guide).
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    I agree with everything said in this thread but since i wasnt 100% sure i didnt want to really say anything as the guy "swears" its legit WITH the mods it has which is BS.............figured there would be someone on here that had heard of it...........still waiting for him to post some documentation lol........
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    That sounds more like it. Great info Chris!

    Quote Originally Posted by 02Z06 View Post
    The car sounds an awful lot like the 200 or so "Ford Motorsport Nationals" Mustangs that were done up in 1985 at Maplegrove Raceway in Reading, PA. They were STOCK '85 GTs, used for a parade around the track for a "dealer drive away" program. They had a motorsport emblem above the 5.0 on the fenders. (Credit: Fox Mustang Recognition Guide).
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    I've seen the Motorsport Capri's (which are incredible btw) and here is the picture of the 200 white 1985 Mustangs used for the Motorsport Nationals that 02Z06 mentioned.

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    I just thought maybe Ford designed some cars using all Motorsport parts and accessories as a way to promote their performance parts line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Blue View Post
    still waiting for him to post some documentation lol........
    I don't think that will ever happen
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    Hopefully he does, some people take the search for what is hearsay and what is truth as a personal insult. It's not, but the problem is, most of these cars (IE Almost all, unless you were a Ford exec) were bought through car dealers. We've proved time and time again with 'factory freaks' and 'special order' cars, with Marti reports, buck-tags, and the like that they weren't anything special out of the factory. Dealers do crazy things, special editions, aftermarket part installs and most of the time just plain lying. I can recall recently an "SSP Hatchback" that was supposedly special ordered with SSP upgrades, and a mint was paid for it new. Turns out that didn't happen, as to be "special order" it must have a special order assigned to it, and thus a 6 digit DSO. It doesn't make the car any less special to that person, it just means that it's not what the salesman probably told him it was. Not any fault of the buyer, that's just the story of buying cars from car dealers. They'll say whatever they have to in order to get a deal put together. I have no doubt this car is one of the 200-250 motorsport cars, and it's the first one I've ever seen so that's super cool. But non-ford tuner parts installed on the assembly line and shipped to dealers that way, and we've never heard of this before now? Just not likely. Doesn't mean the car is a turd. You always prove against your hypothesis to find truth, rather than assuming what you want to believe is true (that this car came with x number of upgrades from the factory, ford risked huge lawsuits with the EPA to do so, and various other things that wouldn't happen/didn't happen/haven't ever happened).
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    Couldn't have said it better myself! Summit Ford had to recall cars they had modified and they were just a dealer when the EPA got wind of what they were doing. Interestingly enough it was the gear changes affect on the advertised fuel economy rating that got them in trouble. So Ford wouldn't of been able to hide anything like that. Not saying that a handful of cars didn't get some performance mods... Summit did it, I am sure many more dealers than we are aware of did to!



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    Hopefully he does, some people take the search for what is hearsay and what is truth as a personal insult. It's not, but the problem is, most of these cars (IE Almost all, unless you were a Ford exec) were bought through car dealers. We've proved time and time again with 'factory freaks' and 'special order' cars, with Marti reports, buck-tags, and the like that they weren't anything special out of the factory. Dealers do crazy things, special editions, aftermarket part installs and most of the time just plain lying. I can recall recently an "SSP Hatchback" that was supposedly special ordered with SSP upgrades, and a mint was paid for it new. Turns out that didn't happen, as to be "special order" it must have a special order assigned to it, and thus a 6 digit DSO. It doesn't make the car any less special to that person, it just means that it's not what the salesman probably told him it was. Not any fault of the buyer, that's just the story of buying cars from car dealers. They'll say whatever they have to in order to get a deal put together. I have no doubt this car is one of the 200-250 motorsport cars, and it's the first one I've ever seen so that's super cool. But non-ford tuner parts installed on the assembly line and shipped to dealers that way, and we've never heard of this before now? Just not likely. Doesn't mean the car is a turd. You always prove against your hypothesis to find truth, rather than assuming what you want to believe is true (that this car came with x number of upgrades from the factory, ford risked huge lawsuits with the EPA to do so, and various other things that wouldn't happen/didn't happen/haven't ever happened).
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    They could have bought the cars, modified them, then sold or raffled them as second hand cars. That would relieve Ford of the new car liability. But I never heard of this happening. Most likely this whole story is just an urban myth.

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    PaceFever - This was quite common actually. There were tons of dealer modifications done "post title." I have no doubt when the owner bought this car new and was ready and willing to sign, that the dealer offered to upgrade whatever he liked. Same thing that is done with the 'upgrade superchargers' from FMS right now and the various motorsport suspension packages, FMS tunes, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 02Z06 View Post
    The car sounds an awful lot like the 200 or so "Ford Motorsport Nationals" Mustangs that were done up in 1985 at Maplegrove Raceway in Reading, PA. They were STOCK '85 GTs, used for a parade around the track for a "dealer drive away" program. They had a motorsport emblem above the 5.0 on the fenders. (Credit: Fox Mustang Recognition Guide).
    Yes, it sounds more like one of these cars. These were all regular cars, white and some with black lower panels. Most were already sold to customers. I was there. I have some stickers and can make my own car to sell.
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    I spotted an ad on eBay the other day that had the Ford trading card for this car. I can't seem to locate it again. I didn't think it was an 85 but I could be mistaken.
    Ha! I knew I would find it. I had to go through the search history on my work computer to find it this morning. (shhh) Oh and definitely not an '85!

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    Can you make out what it says on the back? "seven were built as feature vehicles for the International Championship Auto Series. Five were awarded as prizes and two are in the Ford Motorsport program."
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    As posted by the owner this morning...........He is claiming it came from Ford Motorsport as it sits not as a dealer modded car and thats where i have a problem with the story..........not trying to start crap with the guy or anything i just found it extremely odd i had never heard of such a "beast". I assumed he was just mis-informed but he's sticking by his guns.........

    OK I have seen all kinds of arguments on this, once again to clear things up....It was not modified by Ford, It was Modified through Motorsport, it was taken off the line at Ford and sent to Motorsport, they made them to compete with Saleen and Steda Mustangs that also were taken from Ford and Modified. To the guy who said the 8.8 was not in the catalog until 1986, that doesn't mean they didn't have it made, it could have been in testing or new! I know stuff that never gets in a catalog for a few years. Ford would not have anything to do with this it would all fall back on Motorsport, I have also seen other talking about the Capri Motorsport and a 1985 GT Motorsport so where is the doubt on them people? Next up I have to run all the numbers and stuff but I am sure I was told that the Tranny was a Nash Tranny, and yes they would have modified the car for it to fit, that only makes sense! Just because a group of people have not heard of them does not make it fake people. I did not buy this new from a dealer and what I heard these were never to be just sold to anyone, they made these special and no dealers had them unless an owner bought one for himself. I got lucky and found one that someone didn't want for what ever reason, they traded it, the dealer had no ideal what it was and I didn't either at the time I got it. I didn't know what was going on other than it had more power than any other Mustang I had driven (I have driven a lot of very fast cars), it had strange tags and decals and it had a different set up than all the other 1985 Mustangs. Now give me time to find my books and other papers and then some of you will be apologizing! Everyone else will then be able to say they have seen one with proof! Although I think a few people have already seen proof....

    Also the Jet fuel was a one time deal, I usually ran Cam2 or Turbo Blue in it and as far as burning the valves, it has Stainless Steel Valves in it, I know I had to replace them once and they cost a fortune and were hard to find!
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    Thanks for posting that. I will clarify my BS comment. The BS is that 200 to 250 of these cars were modified like his. I won't argue until we see pictures that the car he has does have all these parts claimed. This may very well have been a test pony car for FMS. I would be interested to see if it has AR-1 Alan Root heads that FMS eventually sold. The problem is that unless the parts on the car date back to 1985. It will be hard to prove its authenticity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Blue View Post
    As posted by the owner this morning...........He is claiming it came from Ford Motorsport as it sits not as a dealer modded car and thats where i have a problem with the story..........not trying to start crap with the guy or anything i just found it extremely odd i had never heard of such a "beast". I assumed he was just mis-informed but he's sticking by his guns.........

    OK I have seen all kinds of arguments on this, once again to clear things up....It was not modified by Ford, It was Modified through Motorsport, it was taken off the line at Ford and sent to Motorsport, they made them to compete with Saleen and Steda Mustangs that also were taken from Ford and Modified. To the guy who said the 8.8 was not in the catalog until 1986, that doesn't mean they didn't have it made, it could have been in testing or new! I know stuff that never gets in a catalog for a few years. Ford would not have anything to do with this it would all fall back on Motorsport, I have also seen other talking about the Capri Motorsport and a 1985 GT Motorsport so where is the doubt on them people? Next up I have to run all the numbers and stuff but I am sure I was told that the Tranny was a Nash Tranny, and yes they would have modified the car for it to fit, that only makes sense! Just because a group of people have not heard of them does not make it fake people. I did not buy this new from a dealer and what I heard these were never to be just sold to anyone, they made these special and no dealers had them unless an owner bought one for himself. I got lucky and found one that someone didn't want for what ever reason, they traded it, the dealer had no ideal what it was and I didn't either at the time I got it. I didn't know what was going on other than it had more power than any other Mustang I had driven (I have driven a lot of very fast cars), it had strange tags and decals and it had a different set up than all the other 1985 Mustangs. Now give me time to find my books and other papers and then some of you will be apologizing! Everyone else will then be able to say they have seen one with proof! Although I think a few people have already seen proof....

    Also the Jet fuel was a one time deal, I usually ran Cam2 or Turbo Blue in it and as far as burning the valves, it has Stainless Steel Valves in it, I know I had to replace them once and they cost a fortune and were hard to find!
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