mid or rear engine fox

[86Coyote]

As some of you know, I have put a coyote 5.0 in my foxbody. Since I will be attending Ohio Technical College starting this year, I am taking it back down to the frame.
Now here's a crazy idea I just came up with. How cool would it be to make it into a rear engine car? I mean it would solve a lot of the foxbodies common issues. Frame twist, no weight on the rear wheels. I mean there are a lot of pros to this I think. Tuning the suspension might be hell, and so would the swap, but I think it would be awesome.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?

[DRAGTOP89]

Different for sure. I'd like to see it

[supercharged347]

I think it would be cool. But it would take alot of time and work. I just helped a friend put a terminator drive train in a 89 coupe and that 5.4L was a real tight fit.Its not completed yet but engine is in.

[SVT Rob]

I think it would be cool. But it would take alot of time and work. I just helped a friend put a terminator drive train in a 89 coupe and that 5.4L was a real tight fit.Its not completed yet but engine is in.

Terminator is '03-'04 Cobra, and that's a supercharged 4.6L DOHC. If you put in a supercharged 5.4L DOHC, you used the '07-'12 Shelby GT500 powerplant.

[richstang]

As some of you know, I have put a coyote 5.0 in my foxbody. Since I will be attending Ohio Technical College starting this year, I am taking it back down to the frame.
Now here's a crazy idea I just came up with. How cool would it be to make it into a rear engine car? I mean it would solve a lot of the foxbodies common issues. Frame twist, no weight on the rear wheels. I mean there are a lot of pros to this I think. Tuning the suspension might be hell, and so would the swap, but I think it would be awesome.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Sounds crazy but if you have the notion and $, it would be very different. So are you thinking of it behind the front seats?

[FM2NOTCH]

find a nice 79 pace car for the swap, just kidding

seriously, how about using a fairmont/ltd wagon with a mustang/pace car nose and hood scoop, the engine would be more visible in the wagon?

http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...ighlight=wagon

[TopGear85]

[QUOTE=FM2NOTCH;1512861]find a nice 79 pace car for the swap,

Great idea, I second that! If you can find a 100% original car, that would probably work the best.

[86Coyote]

Wow, that's different. Never seen a mustang wagon. But yes I was thinking of having the motor face the rear, right behind the axle. I'm not sure there's enough room in front of the axle. I would have to use a transaxle from something, but I don't know what. Whatever it is I want it to be a 6 speed, or a 5 speed with a really tall 5th gear.
Maybe a Capri bubble hatch would make for a good way to show it off. I plan on basically enclosing the entire area right behind the front seats.
Since 5.0 coyote swaps are becoming more common, I think this rear engine conversion would make for a very unique fox. And the coyote would be the icing on the cake. I don't think anyone has ever done this yet. But then again I don't know.

[4bangen]

Wow, that's different. Never seen a mustang wagon. But yes I was thinking of having the motor face the rear, right behind the axle. I'm not sure there's enough room in front of the axle. I would have to use a transaxle from something, but I don't know what. Whatever it is I want it to be a 6 speed, or a 5 speed with a really tall 5th gear.
Maybe a Capri bubble hatch would make for a good way to show it off. I plan on basically enclosing the entire area right behind the front seats.
Since 5.0 coyote swaps are becoming more common, I think this rear engine conversion would make for a very unique fox. And the coyote would be the icing on the cake. I don't think anyone has ever done this yet. But then again I don't know.

That would cause so many more problems. Putting the weight behind the axle really F's up the balance of a car. Sure Porsche does it, but the little boxer doesn't weigh what a coyote does. Mid is the only way to go.

Years ago I had a ford aerostar, I wanted to cut the floor out and mid-mount a twin turbo 460. Never did it though.

[Mr Joshua]

Ford beat you to a mid engine mustang by 51 years.
In 1962 they built the Mustang I. A two seater mid engine Mustang.
http://www.thelynxproject.org/X-Cars/x-cars.html


I had researched it for a time, putting a mid-engine setup in a fox mustang.
Basing it on a De Tomaso Pathera, DMC Delorean, Ferrari, Porsche, etc.
the De Tomaso would be a near perfect candidate, sporting a Ford power plant to begin with.
Keeping the drivetrain modifications to a minimum.
Allowing you to focus more on the suspension and body modifications which will be extensive. All in all, if I had my own project to do over I would have steered towards this swap.

[PaceFever79]

^ That looks like the Mach 5

[80Notch]

Would you name it "Coyote under glass" lol

[2eyed4eyes]

Would you name it "Coyote under glass" lol

Or maybe

FOYOTE

A coyote stuffed inside a FOX. Kind of like a terducken.

[93-331-29PSI]

The transaxle would probably have to be the Ford GT type and probably quite costly and hard to find.

[jessew]

Forgive me if this sounds stupid, but, couldn't you pull the rear seats and mount it there? You'd be able to run a regular transmission, you'd just need a custom drive shaft.

[86Coyote]

I didn't mean put the engine behind the rear axle, I meant face it towards te rear where the t/b is behind the axle. with the way the hatch opens it would just be easier with the front of the engine toward the rear methinks. I don't think there is any way around putting this thing directly above the rear wheels. I already plan to strip the rear seats, but I didn't think it would fit right there with a standard trans and a driveshaft.

Yes Mr Joshua, I am aware of the prototype, or concept mustang you mentioned, I have seen and read about it in a book I have. I didn't get the Idea from that, I had actually forgotten about it tip you mentioned it. When I said no one has done this, I was speaking from an aftermarket standpoint.

Pacevever79, the car Mr Joshua posted is actually called the mustang I.

I had a similar idea to use the ford Gt transaxle, I was actually playing forza horizon lastnight looking at all the rear engine cars to get an idea of what to steal a transaxle from.
I mean c'mon, factory Five makes a kit car that allows you to mount an ls based engine to a Porsche transaxle. Although I would like to stick to ford parts, I am willing to use what will work.

Lol about " coyote under glass "

[Motorcity]

I like the mid engine idea better. I would love to see the entire process of this transformation. Fascinating it would be...

[thecrimsoncat]

Sounds awesome. My first thought was take the a pillar and move the "cab" forward but leaving the side sheet metal in place to give more room behind the seats.

[Mr Joshua]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...bXJSXZ8rYZWG_Q
Another interesting amalgamation.

[Mr Joshua]

I'd consider joining here.
http://gt40s.com/forum/

[Mustang-junky]

I have thought about this too. If I were to try a mid/rear engine fox mustang I would use a engine and trans from a FWD Lincoln Continental 1995-2002. 4.6 DOHC, 260 or 275HP. Some 4.6 Cobra parts interchange, think 03-04 Cobra blower.

Jess

[kubitzford]

I have thought about this too. If I were to try a mid/rear engine fox mustang I would use a engine and trans from a FWD Lincoln Continental 1995-2002. 4.6 DOHC, 260 or 275HP. Some 4.6 Cobra parts interchange, think 03-04 Cobra blower.

Jess

that would be the best bet, being the lack of space between rear end and front seats.

[fiveoh 86lx]

I cannot fathom the amount of effort a project like this would require...
Mostly because I'm too lazy
Would be sick too see, wonder what performance would be like also due to different weight distribution. Also for handling

[Mr Joshua]

I cannot fathom the amount of effort a project like this would require...
Mostly because I'm too lazy
Would be sick too see, wonder what performance would be like also due to different weight distribution. Also for handling

I can fathom it.
Performance/weight distribution should be similar to the Pantera De Tomaso with a 3100lb curb weight, with the exception being the possible extended length and shortened height of the De Tomaso.
I suppose if I was fabricating this, I'd look at using the IRS subframe and attachment points for a base on holding the new transaxle. Cut out the floor in between the frame rails, fabricating a new bulkhead just aft of the front seats, make the sail panels functional, tubular support structure for the motor mounts, relocate a fuel cell to the original engine bay, run new cooling lines to the original radiator, re-run power steering lines, electrical, etc..
I think after 5 mins of re-brain storming it's more doable than I originally laid out, baring size/cost of the engine/transaxle and skill.

[Mustang-junky]

Without the motors weight in the front, power steering would probably not be necessary.

Jess