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    Default Mopar Engine Specialists, ?'s

    I traded my 351W motor for a 440 Mopar block and heads. I think I got the bad end of the deal, but I thought I'd ask.

    Block, #4006630 440-4 6-18-75 Bare block, nothing else with it.

    Heads, #3462346, 04-02 simple valve job, assembled pair.
    Anyone know about this stuff, I know very little about Mopar stuff. I have no idea why I traded it.

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    Without looking at any of the numbers, but knowing the values of 351w motors as opposed to 440 Mopars, you did O.K., as long as the block is usable. The problem is that the rest of the rotating assembly is going to be expensive, and I question why the crank/rods/pistons are out of the block in the first place.
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    Mopar are expensive but worth it, just need to have a big bank account.
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    it is a late model thin wall casting engine with late model heads to match. try to stay with .020 over bore or less as things tend to heat after that, but heat can be handled quite well with tolerances at the crank and bore clearances a bit. i am a mopar expert. PERIOD. i am the fox chassis of mopar and more. if you want to talk on phone just pm me your number and i will call. peace out.
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    Here you go, piggy- my mopar.
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    I looked at that motor and thought "wow is that gonna be tight in my '69 cuda." My plan was to drop in a 360/4-speed. I have a guy that wants to trade the 440 block and heads for a complete 360 motor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drg racr View Post
    I looked at that motor and thought "wow is that gonna be tight in my '69 cuda." My plan was to drop in a 360/4-speed. I have a guy that wants to trade the 440 block and heads for a complete 360 motor.
    I wouldn't do it. I'm not a big Mopar guy but I can tell you this. I sold my 86 GT and got a 72 Challenger with a 440 and a six pack. The motor hadn't been run in a few years. I did a tune up and everything you would do to get the motor fired up after sitting for a while.

    Finally it fired up and I got it running decent. Let me tell you this, my Challenger had a 4 speed and a set of 4:10 gears. My 440 running OK at best was still a frigging BEAST. That car had so much power that it was almost scary, way more power than anything other than a fully worked out or blown 5.0 Mustang.

    However, I couldn't get it to idle right and knew that there was some sort of a valvetrain issue. A few people looked at it but we couldn't narrow it down. I ended up selling the car because I ran out of patience. The new buyer got the car home and tore the motor apart. It ended up having a wiped cam lobe.

    About 2-3 weeks ago he emailed me telling me that he threw in a new cam and lifters and put it all back together and now it runs like a raped ape.

    Even with a wiped cam lobe this car was scary fast. The 440 Mopar motor is a frigging beast..... a bone stock late 60's/early 70's 440 came stock with 375HP, why would you trade that for a 360?
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    that 440 will fit into that a body cuda. but it will cost you some money. Price out headers before you commit. That alone may change your mind

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    Wow!!! Over $700 for headers? And I thought 351W Fox headers were expensive.

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    360's are a dime a dozen, don't trade. 1978 was the last year the 440 engine was produced, so it's much rarer than a 360 or 351w ford for that matter. Check out the sites below, they will help you in your quest.

    http://www.engine-swaps.com/Pages/Pr...7.72aBody.html
    http://store.440source.com/
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    I like the idea of a 440 BB in the 'cuda, but it's going to be expensive getting it done. I could build a nice Fox top to bottom for what it'll cost to build the motor in the Mopar alone.

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    360's are good motors, if you want to be save money, I'd go that way. 440's have an insane amount of torque, so if you like wheel stands and have a good chunk of money, go that way. Also, the late model engines, 318s, 360s, 440s, were thin walled, so be careful. And last but not least, Mopar products will make you a good mechanic.
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    I'll keep the 440, since a good 360 can be had fairly cheap anyway. I'll decide later which way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessew View Post
    1980+ Mopar products will make you a good mechanic.
    Fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessew View Post
    And last but not least, Mopar products will make you a good mechanic.

    Yes, thank God fox-body fords are such paragons of build quality and engineering prowess---
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    I've done GM's and Ford's since I was 15. I had one Mopar about 12 years ago, a '67 Belevdere II 2-door with 55K original miles and a slant 6 automatic. I bought a 383/727TF for it, but was talked into selling it before I could work on it. It was fun to drive with the slant 6.
    I thought it would be fun to get at least one Mopar build under my belt. That's why I got the '69 Cuda. But, I may have taken on more than I have funds for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drg racr View Post
    I've done GM's and Ford's since I was 15. I had one Mopar about 12 years ago, a '67 Belevdere II 2-door with 55K original miles and a slant 6 automatic. I bought a 383/727TF for it, but was talked into selling it before I could work on it. It was fun to drive with the slant 6.
    I thought it would be fun to get at least one Mopar build under my belt. That's why I got the '69 Cuda. But, I may have taken on more than I have funds for.
    That's what happened to me with my 72 Challenger. Yes the headers are CRAZY! My Challenger had a 1969 440 with a 6 pack set up. I was told that the ONLY headers that fit the big block E-bodies correctly were made by a company called TTI...yes they wanted $750.00 plus shipping for a set of ceramic coated big block headers. Ouch!

    The 6 pack set up needed rebuilding....since it's such a tempermental set up, some Mopar buddies suggested that I send it to an expert....yeah the expert in Chicago who wanted $750.00 to rebuild the carbs and custom tune them to my motor. Yikes!

    I will say this though, Mopars have and hold a value out there that the Fox body could only hope to attain some day. My Challenger needed a new cam and lifters since I had a wiped lobe, it needed a new clutch, and a new interior too and when I sold it for $18,000 the buyer acted like he was stealing it from me! What he didn't know was that I had stolen it from the previous owner for $10,000 and only had about $2500.00 into it.

    Just remember Mopars right now are bringing in sick money!
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianj View Post
    Yes, thank God fox-body fords are such paragons of build quality and engineering prowess---
    Never said they were, I just had a lot more troubles from my ram than I've ever had with my zephyr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jessew View Post
    Never said they were, I just had a lot more troubles from my ram than I've ever had with my zephyr.
    I was just kidding. Quite frankly, almost everything automotive made in America in the early eighties was a piece of crap. And at one point, Chevy vehicles were crap (G.M. and their amazing 5000-mile failure ball joints) Ford was crap (variable venturi carbs and twin I-beam tire destroying front ends) and Dodge was crap(Transmission failure, anyone?) I just try to buy whichever vehicle is good at any given era. I have owned all three major brands in their good times, and been happy. ('84 dodge ramcharger, '92 Ford f-150, '95 Chevy C2500)
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    I HAVE A SET OF CUSTOM MOTOR MOUNTS THAT I MADE AND A DRIVESHAFT AND HEADERS THAT WILL PUT THE 440 IN A FOX BODY. AND OIL PAN. I BUILT 3 B AND RB MUSTANG FOX BODY CARS IN MY RECENT PAST. YES I HAVE PICS. AND I HAVE CUSTOM T SHIRTS AS WELL. WHAT YOU GUYS THINK I AM NOT THE MOPAR PIGBOY AS WELL AS MUSTANGS, PSSHHH. WHY DO YOU THINK MY EMAIL IS SIXPACKPONY@STICK THIS IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT.

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    The great thing about our hobby, we can build a car however we want. A 440 in a Fox? Sounds wild!!
    I tend to build cars from parts I have laying around. The thought had crossed my mind to drop the 351W in the 'cuda. I had also thought of building a cool slant 6 or mild 318 and driving it every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianj View Post
    I was just kidding. Quite frankly, almost everything automotive made in America in the early eighties was a piece of crap. And at one point, Chevy vehicles were crap (G.M. and their amazing 5000-mile failure ball joints) Ford was crap (variable venturi carbs and twin I-beam tire destroying front ends) and Dodge was crap(Transmission failure, anyone?) I just try to buy whichever vehicle is good at any given era. I have owned all three major brands in their good times, and been happy. ('84 dodge ramcharger, '92 Ford f-150, '95 Chevy C2500)
    Every company makes crap once in a while, some more than others, but, **** happens
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    I work at a MOPAR engine shop in central NY. The block could be pretty usable as long as it sonic checks okay. There's usually one cylinder that always checks a little thin to put crazy power into it. The RB blocks do have an ever so slight disadvantage to the B blocks. Basic oiling mods to the mains can help increase volume. To date I've assembled a 505, 451, 383, 440 and a few short blocks. Bearing sizing with MOPAR specific bearing sizes can be frustrating. Using a crank with Chevy bearing size HELPS!

    The heads are marginal at best. Probably still have the 2.08/1.74's in them. Intake flow in the 218cfm area at peak in stock form. I'd have them checked for cracks before putting too much effort into them.

    Feel free to ask away if you'd like.

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    Also, we are beginning the assembly of a 505 (440) based short block and a 512 (440) based short block at this time. Both will be pump gas based engines.

    Michael

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    Find a nice slant 6 Duster/Demon to drop that 440 into.
    Put the slant 6 in the Cuda.

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