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    Wow! That's ridiculous.
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    The thing I find particularly amusing about this and most hybrid cars is that the people buying them think they are doing something great for the environment. The mining involved for the batteries in these things makes a huge environmental impact. Not to mention how are you supposed to recycle these cars? I'm sure we'll come up with another government funded program soon to figure that out. Like the comments below the article mentioned it really does seem like the movie idiocracy will be coming true in the next few generations if we keep it up.
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    Cliff Notes:


    1. Your tax dollars went towards building the Volt.
    2. Your earned income will go towards buying a Volt if you want one.
    3. In other words, you will have paid for these turds twice if you choose to own one.

    Makes perfect sense. Don't even get me started on the debate over battery manufacturing pollution vs. my Mustang's exhaust pollution. The number of hybrids and batteries being manufactured and sold vastly outweighs the number of '85 Mustangs still on the road, so in the long run my 26 year old car is more green than a Prius. (no pun intended on the paint either lol)
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    I've often said that buying any new car is a less "green" choice than continuing to use one
    that already exists. But then, "being green" is not nearly so important as "looking green".

    These days, "green" is just the new color of BS... All the rest is the same as it ever was.
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    I love how electric cars are called zero emissions. So there's no emissions involved in the generation of electricity, right? Last I checked the vast majority of electricity was generated by burning some fossil fuel.
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    I'm gonna preface this by saying I love my Mustangs, but if I was buying a new car today it would be something like the Volt or whatever version there-of that Ford brings out next year.

    I've done a bunch of reading on the Volt and it's a pretty neat car. Firstly, it's not a "plug-in Hybrid", it's an "extended range electric" car. The difference is, a hybrid uses electric power up to a certain speed, say 19mph, and then the engine kick's in. The Volt is always driven by the electric motor and when the battery level drops to a certain point, or when the load is higher, the IC engine kicks in to recharge the battery.

    In this respect, it has advantages over a hybrid because, if driven within it's effective range, you will very rarely need to put gas in it. It also has advantages over a full electric like the Nissan Leaf in that you won't ever run out of......electricity. Also, GM set the required electric only range of the Volt at 40 miles because studies showed this is slightly less than most Americans daily commute.

    Now, given, they're not perfect, but the battery argument, to me, doesn't hold a lot of water. The environmental impact of mining lithium-ion (Li-I) can't be worse than the impact of drilling, extracting, transporting, refining, transporting and burning fossil fuels. Besides, Li-I is used in just about every form of re-chargeable battery. In your laptop, cell phone, Ipad, mp3 player, digital camera etc. and I've never heard anyone raise concerns about the environmental impact in that regard. Besides, if you compare the amount of Li-I used in cars as opposed to consumer electronics, I'm sure the ratio is miniscule. As for recycling, the rest of the Volt is a regular car so remove the battery and send it to the junk yard. Job done.

    People having been hawking lately about Volt's "burning after crashes". If I remember correctly, the cars in question caught fire after the NTSB conducted crash tests and then didn't follow "GM's procedure for battery discharging after serious accidents". Don't worry folks, this isn't "exploding Pinto fuel tanks". If a Volt gets a hard enough hit to cause the battery pack to catch fire i don't think the car will be sitting in your garage when it happens.

    I'm not a tree huggin' hippy, and i do see a lot of the inherent problems with these new generation cars, but I think the days of cheap fuel and the 15mpg car are over. Many people are nervous about new technology and until the infrastructure is in place owning one of these cars isn't necessarily easy. I think the Big Three and Big Oil don't really want to build these cars, see the "Tucker" story, but GM realize this is a burgeoning market. I think they cost to much, I'd be happier if a Volt was $25K. I'd rather the Volt got 100 miles to a charge. I could go on.......

    For me, ultimately, I look forward to the day I can drive my car to work without using any fuel derived from foreign oil, purchased from an oil company receiving massive Govt. subsidies, diluted by ethanol derived from Govt. subsidized corn.

    I'd rather see my tax dollars pumped into American innovation that helps American manufacturers and American workers make products stamped MADE in U.S.A.

    I look forward to the day when I can drive my car to work on electric power derived from the solars panels on my roof or through the hydro-elctric stations on the Columbia River. Plug it into the solar system at work and then drive home to receive my rebate check from the Electric Co. for the power my solar system is returning to the grid.

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    My sister-in-law bought a Volt. She said she used 15 gallons of gas to go on a 1500 mile trip. She plugs it in at home and also plugs it in when she parks it at work, she drive about 40 miles one way.

    Me, I will just burn e85 in the Capri and have a zero emissions turbo monster. Much more fun!
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    Thats cool if people want to buy a volt, thats there own choice I can understand people wanting to save money on gas.. It just pisses me off the 250,000 kick back per each car that gm gets... If that isn't a bailout in disguised what is?

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    Electric cars only increase the demand for electricity.

    Where do people think it comes from? Almost 60% of the electricity in the U.S. comes from burning coal.

    That's "green"!!!

    Until we find a "green" way to actually produce the electricty for these cars, they're not any better for the environment than a 72 Buick.
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    I believe they are having issues with fires during side impacts now. I saw a "deal" saying they would buy your volt back if you didn't feel safe. ? I will try and find a link.

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    Here's another article about the Volt.

    LINK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joey7508 View Post
    I believe they are having issues with fires during side impacts now. I saw a "deal" saying they would buy your volt back if you didn't feel safe. ? I will try and find a link.
    They will buy it back, trash the vehicles, and keep the remaining $250k.

    I wish I thought of that first. But alas, it was not meant to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 82CapriRS View Post
    Electric cars only increase the demand for electricity.

    Where do people think it comes from? Almost 60% of the electricity in the U.S. comes from burning coal.

    That's "green"!!!

    Until we find a "green" way to actually produce the electricty for these cars, they're not any better for the environment than a 72 Buick.
    Actually worse than a 72 Buick.

    As was mentioned above, the mining of all the minerals for the batteries, the toxic process to refine those minerals and the the toxic process to make the batteries. Plus I believe the materials are shipped all over the world for the different steps, so that is obviously impacting the environment. Not to mention I have never had rechargeable batteries work out for me. All my RC cars would eat batteries like there was no tomorrow. Not to mention if you want to go somewhere that's more than 100 miles away you better figure out where you will recharge and make a reservation for a hotel room for the night because you won't be driving home the same day.

    Anyone seen this: http://www.greencar.com/articles/toy...d-race-car.php It uses capacitors instead of batteries.

    Here's a video of it. Kind of spooky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpf0uYHZImQ the hairpin at 3 min or so is pretty funny. Guess this is an exhibition and the car wasn't built for tight street courses.

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    Just to let y'all know. There is no known way to put out a Lithium Fire. Just contain it and let it burn itself out... which will take time. lol.
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    One question. When was the last time you saw someone driving a Hybrid that looked like they were happy. **** them, **** hybrids. Electric cars have been around for over 100 years. If they were the most effective way of transportation, they would have taken over gasoline in the 1920's.
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    Does anyone know where the largest Lithium deposit is ?? And why we spend so much for our military to be there per month ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by varn82 View Post
    One question. When was the last time you saw someone driving a Hybrid that looked like they were happy. **** them, **** hybrids. Electric cars have been around for over 100 years. If they were the most effective way of transportation, they would have taken over gasoline in the 1920's.
    Actually, even though the technology was there 100 years ago gasoline was less expensive and of coarse the people that wanted to sell gas made it so any other competition could not compete.

    Just like the paper companies pushing Cannabis out. There is cannabis that you cant get stoned off of. It was used for many things. But, the paper barons waned to sell paper and managed to convince the US law makers that cannabis was a horrible horrible thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuckinfutzracing View Post
    Does anyone know where the largest Lithium deposit is ?? And why we spend so much for our military to be there per month ?
    Let me see if I can get this one.

    Are you referring to what are believed to be large lithium deposits in Afghanistan, and lithium's role in bonding hydrogen into lithium deuteride, the fusion fuel for thermonuclear weapons?
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    Its funny, all about how they can get our money, its all about the not so mighty dollar.
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    This is great news - and now they've been recalled. Maybe the government can pay for the recalls too?
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    Here is some more fuel to the fire.............

    After taking huge subsidies, and our bailout money, GM is considering moving production of the volt to CHINA.

    Looks like Nobama really hit a home run with his plan to help create new jobs with our TARP funds.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...RIzOxXwysCAgkg

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    Here's an interesting article on electric cars.
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    Default 2022 Cheyy Bolt EUV (electric utility vehicle)

    Rode in and drove a 2022 Chevy Bolt EUV yesterday evening. Impressive and memorable ride for sure.
    First time I ever connected an all electric car to charge in a home garage.
    'gas' door opens with a press to access car charging ports. Plastic car end connector is shaped like a gas nozzle without the valve lever.
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    Default unsafe at no speed

    Only the beginning. Preview of electric car future? All batteries have danger potential.
    Fuel fires Pinto, Crown Vic, others, engine fires. Airliners.
    Low production vehicle, billion dollar recall. Electric cars not be inexpensive or practical to own?
    Talk about global warming- how about a house warming- or burning down?
    What good is the whole deal it if cannot charge overnite or leave in garage?
    I guess if car is totaled by accident or spontaneous fires, saves junkyard space.

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