What is the next area of research you'd like to see?

[FoxChassis]

Judging from the comments in the T-Roof Production numbers thread, I'm assuming most everyone was pleased with how it turned out.

Please post some suggestions here on what you would like to have researched next. Keep in mind that this 'site is NOT just about Mustangs. Suggestions that would cover more than one model line are welcome and encouraged. Also keep in mind that more detail will increase the research cost.

[02Z06]

I don't think this is reasonable, but obtaining the data for all of the special orders would be pretty cool. That would include all cars with unique (6 digit) DSOs.... SSPs, McLarens, Saleens, etc.

I've long wondered, suspected, and people have tried to confirm that there were also special order cars built for the public, such as yellow '85/6 GTs and things of that nature. It would be neat to find out what those are.

Otherwise, any information is vastly helpful. Cobra breakdowns, GT Turbo breakdowns, etc would all be neat.

[Kerry]

I know it's model specific, but i would really like to see a breakdown for 79,80, 81 cobra's by color, trim, etc. I already got my Marti report for my 81 and have contacted them about breaking it down further. Just not ready to pay $80hr for the research yet.

[FoxChassis]

I don't think this is reasonable, but obtaining the data for all of the special orders would be pretty cool. That would include all cars with unique (6 digit) DSOs.... SSPs, McLarens, Saleens, etc.

I've long wondered, suspected, and people have tried to confirm that there were also special order cars built for the public, such as yellow '85/6 GTs and things of that nature. It would be neat to find out what those are.

There are two problems I see with that:

1) Not every ascMcLaren or Saleen has a six-digit DSO. I have one '85 asc and three '85 Saleens in the database that have a two-digit DSO. You can image there are others, not only in '85 but in '84 and '86 as well, that also have a two-digit DSO. Doing research by six-digit DSO is going to leave several out.

2) I'm not sure Marti Auto's legal contract with Ford allows for all of the data related to six-digit DSOs to be published.

[FoxChassis]

Turbo GT and Turbo RS breakdowns is a possibility. Cobras as well. We would just have to come up with some possibilities as to how we want it broken down, and then see how much it would cost.

Any other suggestions, from yous guys or anybody else?

[mustangracer84]

My understanding on how you are researching these is limited, and I am probably missinderstanding it... I also dunno if it is already done or if it is even possible but the 84 model year had a crap load of special editions ranging from ford special editions like th gt350 all the way down to just dealer complex special editions like the dominators down to just simple decal packages like the twister 2's, and iirc, even the ssp mustang program started in 84. I think it would be a great resource and possibly help reduce special editions from being hacked up and abused, and help increase restorations of one of the most pivotal and actively marketed years of the fox.

[FoxChassis]

G.T.350 = '84
Dominator = '82-'90(?)
Twister Special II = '85
SSP = '82-'93

The G.T.350 should be easy to get production data for. The G.T.350 Registry already has all of the VINs and breakdowns for hatchback and convertible, and engine and transmission. I don't know how much more we would want to get it broken down.

The Dominator would be almost impossible, since that was a package done by a specific dealer and not Ford. Ford is not going to have any records on which cars ended up being Dominators. Same goes for Predators.

The T2 data is a possibility. I am in contact with Marti Auto to see if the info from the Twister Special Registry can be verified and if there are any more or less T2s than is thought to have been produced (90).

The SSPs might be kind of tricky. Depends on if there is something in the data that Marti Auto got from Ford that indicates the vehicle was ordered as an SSP. I have been collecting 5.0L coupe VINs, and have been attaching six-digit DSOs when they have been verified. That data has been posted here: Consecutive 5.0L coupe VINs

[Zap's 85 GT]

I was always curious as to a simple color breakdown by model year. There were tons of blacks and reds, but how many were rare or maybe even a special order?

[FoxChassis]

Color production by body code (in the VIN) and model year is a definite possibility.

[Kerry]

Turbo GT and Turbo RS breakdowns is a possibility. Cobras as well. We would just have to come up with some possibilities as to how we want it broken down, and then see how much it would cost.

Any other suggestions, from yous guys or anybody else?

Would like to see some breakdown by color/trim codes and maybe by some of the more common options.

[FoxChassis]

If we start getting into specifics like options we're talking several days worth of research hours and mucho dinero. That's why we cut off the T-roof research at year and body only, instead of also doing it for each trim level (GT, RS, GS, LX, etc.).

[Mustang Kid]

Maybe interior color combos each year for 79-86 mustangs maybe? How many cars came with the combos also?

[plumkrazy]

such as yellow '85/6 GTs

Weird you bring yellow up Because I have a Yellow hatch and I think the guy still has the yellow GT frt clip. And it's a 85or 86. I have never seen factory Yellow other wise.

Would love to see CAPRI numbers of INT/EXT Colors with Engine/trans

[85GT302]

Maybe Kevin will do a new Version of Mustang by the Numbers for the Four Eyed Mustangs!

[FoxChassis]

Maybe Kevin will do a new Version of Mustang by the Numbers for the Four Eyed Mustangs!

Might be sometime down the road for that but I'd buy one!

[FoxChassis]

Weird you bring yellow up Because I have a Yellow hatch and I think the guy still has the yellow GT frt clip. And it's a 85or 86. I have never seen factory Yellow other wise.

Are you saying your (yellow) paint is factory?

Yellow was available from '79 through '83 as 'normal' production on Capris and Mustangs but not from '84 through '86. If you knew your way around the system you could 'special' order any F/L/M color, but the VC Label would have a six-digit DSO number and a second Buck Tag would have the same DSO number plus the paint name.

[K PONY]

If you knew your way around the system you could 'special' order any F/L/M color, but the VC Label would have a six-digit DSO number and a second Buck Tag would have the same DSO number plus the paint name.

Not Mustang related but with working at a FORD assembly plant, Ontario Truck Plant, back in 1999 when the F150 Lightnings were produced in Oakville the SVT Lightnings only came in three colors... red, black and white but there was one special one made in yellow for 1999... so I'm sure if you did know your way around the system it could be have done

[KCoker]

Not Mustang related but with working at a FORD assembly plant, Ontario Truck Plant, back in 1999 when the F150 Lightnings were produced in Oakville the SVT Lightnings only came in three colors... red, black and white but there was one special one made in yellow for 1999... so I'm sure if you did know your way around the system it could be have done

Yep, I have a blue 84 svo 5C Cadet Blue with all the documentation. It would be interesting to see the Special order DSO's to see the special order colors. Mine was 48-0162 so there were at least 161 orders before it in the Detroit area. I have heard there were 6 unaccounted for colors of svo's in 84 so there may be more special order colors for the svo's.

On another note wonder how many t-top and sunroof 20th anniversary cars were built turbo and 5.0's,

[FoxChassis]

I'm not sure 48-0162 means it was special order # 162 for that DSO.

An inquiry of production numbers by paint color for all three years of SVO is a very good possibility.

Production number for sunroof and T-roof for the two G.T.350 engines is another very possibility. I should contact Scott Moen and discuss all things G.T.350 with him.

[PIGBOY]

myself, i would like info on predators and saleens as they were nomeclatured vehicles. which are of interest to me.

if there is anything else to be found out.


thank you

[negusm]

Not Mustang related but with working at a FORD assembly plant, Ontario Truck Plant, back in 1999 when the F150 Lightnings were produced in Oakville the SVT Lightnings only came in three colors... red, black and white but there was one special one made in yellow for 1999... so I'm sure if you did know your way around the system it could be have done

I was told (by Sandy Block head of the asc registry) that 1993 was the very last year for special order colors. After that they changed their setup/system or whatever and it was a strict no-no to allow special paint. I tend to believe him since he is an absolute nut on exterior colors of the ascMcLaren cars and how they got through Ford, etc.

Of course if Ford had a special promotion or something, I'm sure they could have done whatever.

-Mike

[negusm]

Do we have info on Canadian and Mexican cars?

Does Marty have that info?

-Mike

[FoxChassis]

Marti Auto would have info on Capris and Mustang sold in Canada as they were made in the same assembly plants (San Jose and Dearborn) that Capris and Mustangs sold in the US were. Same goes for "export" models (DSOs 90 through 99). I would imagine Marti auto would also have info on models made in Canada as well, but I'm not sure. Im also not sure about models made in Mexico.

[fox81]

Heres just some general inquire. As you mentioned that the info on Capris is available. But how much info does he have on other Ford/Lincoln/Mercury vehicles? Like the Fairmont/Zephyr and Thunderbird/Cougar?

But if that info does exist, I think knowing how many Turbo Fairmonts were built would be cool to know.

[FoxChassis]

Yes, they have data on all F/L/M vehicles, so they can do research, Marti Reports, etc. on all of them. They just haven't put them up on the Website yet. It's the Eminger Invoices that are limited to only what is shown on the Website.