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    Default Need help with Computer and Mass air

    I am hearing different story's about using a 5 speed computer on a auto harness. Is it true, it wont work..........If not I will have a A9S for sale or trade to a A9L. All this Mass air flow junk is driving me nuts.....And is the Ford Motorsport Mass Air Conversion, plug and play.This is what it says "It is used on 86-88 mustang 5.0 to change your speed density to mass air by simply plugging this between your computer and existing harness. This is the easiest and fast way to change over". What about the VSS and the fuel pump?

    Will this work or do I still need to run the other wires.......
    Have:1986 Mustang GT Silver on Red, 5.0, 5 Speed
    1985 Mustang LX Red on Red 2.3 auto The Turd!
    Had: 1990 Thunderbird SC Red on Black 3.8 SC 5 Speed
    1969 Olds Cutlass S 350 Rocket auto, 12.5 Qt. Mile.
    1970 Chevelle SS 396 375 hp First car
    1977 & 79 Camaro Z/28 400 SBC auto
    1985 Camaro IROC Z Stock 5.0 auto
    1987 Camaro IROC Z Stock 5.7 auto
    1983 Olds Cutlass 350 Rocket auto 13.8 Qt. Mile
    1985 Mustang GT Black on Gray, 5.0, 5 Speed R.I.P.

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    A9S is a 5-speed computer.. As is the A9L.. The problem with the harness is mainly the O2 harness. Whatever O2 harness you have, you MUST use that same type of computer. The harnesses are wired differently.. Now if you are planning on running a mass air ECU with an automatic car, you will want the automatic computer, as they are more 'streetable' with gear changes, neutal, etc. You would want an A9P.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xpkpremier View Post
    What about the VSS and the fuel pump?
    The VSS, you can get from a junkyard (along with its connector and as much wire as possible). Might want to research the part numbers though, there maybe be differences in them, across the product line... Then you just need a good schematic to follow, to ensure wiring it correctly.

    I would imagine that that Ford kit probably works the fuel pump, BUT, the later Fox MAF computers(if not all of them) use a pin to monitor power from/to the secondary circuit(fuel pump side) of the fuel pump relay. If this circuit is left out, you'll get a "Fuel Pump Secondary Circuit" code.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ourobos View Post
    A9S is a 5-speed computer.. As is the A9L.. The problem with the harness is mainly the O2 harness. Whatever O2 harness you have, you MUST use that same type of computer. The harnesses are wired differently.. Now if you are planning on running a mass air ECU with an automatic car, you will want the automatic computer, as they are more 'streetable' with gear changes, neutal, etc. You would want an A9P.
    I mixed my puters up I meant to say was A9P, The car is an auto, but will be a 5 speed. so I need to get a auto puter. Or can I switch my 85 O2 harness over and get away with that??????The 85 is a 5 speed car.....To make this easy, just tell me what I need and I will buy it, This is what I have a 86 auto that will be a 5 speed and I want to use mass air flow....So what do I need besides the pigtail. I have everything for the 5 speed swap, just need mass air, the right way and not have to guess....
    Have:1986 Mustang GT Silver on Red, 5.0, 5 Speed
    1985 Mustang LX Red on Red 2.3 auto The Turd!
    Had: 1990 Thunderbird SC Red on Black 3.8 SC 5 Speed
    1969 Olds Cutlass S 350 Rocket auto, 12.5 Qt. Mile.
    1970 Chevelle SS 396 375 hp First car
    1977 & 79 Camaro Z/28 400 SBC auto
    1985 Camaro IROC Z Stock 5.0 auto
    1987 Camaro IROC Z Stock 5.7 auto
    1983 Olds Cutlass 350 Rocket auto 13.8 Qt. Mile
    1985 Mustang GT Black on Gray, 5.0, 5 Speed R.I.P.

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    You can run any ECU, as long as the o2 wiring is matched up, so run the A9S and get a manual o2 harness. You'll need the pigtail and a mass air meter and tubing also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ourobos View Post
    You can run any ECU, as long as the o2 wiring is matched up, so run the A9S and get a manual o2 harness. You'll need the pigtail and a mass air meter and tubing also.
    Okay, will I have to just unplug the old and plug in the new, or do I have to do that where the computer hooks up??????
    Have:1986 Mustang GT Silver on Red, 5.0, 5 Speed
    1985 Mustang LX Red on Red 2.3 auto The Turd!
    Had: 1990 Thunderbird SC Red on Black 3.8 SC 5 Speed
    1969 Olds Cutlass S 350 Rocket auto, 12.5 Qt. Mile.
    1970 Chevelle SS 396 375 hp First car
    1977 & 79 Camaro Z/28 400 SBC auto
    1985 Camaro IROC Z Stock 5.0 auto
    1987 Camaro IROC Z Stock 5.7 auto
    1983 Olds Cutlass 350 Rocket auto 13.8 Qt. Mile
    1985 Mustang GT Black on Gray, 5.0, 5 Speed R.I.P.

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    Unplug the O2 harness at the passenger fender apron, and at both O2 sensors, and plug your new one back in. The difference is the way the harnesses are pinned out.
    1986 CHP SSP Coupe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ourobos View Post
    Unplug the O2 harness at the passenger fender apron, and at both O2 sensors, and plug your new one back in. The difference is the way the harnesses are pinned out.
    This has some good info about O2 harness pinouts and configurations....

    http://forums.corral.net/forums/show...hlight=harness
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    Great that means I can keep my puter I just got yeahhhhhh Now I need a o2 harness for an 86 5 speed......
    Have:1986 Mustang GT Silver on Red, 5.0, 5 Speed
    1985 Mustang LX Red on Red 2.3 auto The Turd!
    Had: 1990 Thunderbird SC Red on Black 3.8 SC 5 Speed
    1969 Olds Cutlass S 350 Rocket auto, 12.5 Qt. Mile.
    1970 Chevelle SS 396 375 hp First car
    1977 & 79 Camaro Z/28 400 SBC auto
    1985 Camaro IROC Z Stock 5.0 auto
    1987 Camaro IROC Z Stock 5.7 auto
    1983 Olds Cutlass 350 Rocket auto 13.8 Qt. Mile
    1985 Mustang GT Black on Gray, 5.0, 5 Speed R.I.P.

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    What years will work for a harness, or will it be only 86 5 speeds only?????? I do have the OEM harness on the 86....
    Have:1986 Mustang GT Silver on Red, 5.0, 5 Speed
    1985 Mustang LX Red on Red 2.3 auto The Turd!
    Had: 1990 Thunderbird SC Red on Black 3.8 SC 5 Speed
    1969 Olds Cutlass S 350 Rocket auto, 12.5 Qt. Mile.
    1970 Chevelle SS 396 375 hp First car
    1977 & 79 Camaro Z/28 400 SBC auto
    1985 Camaro IROC Z Stock 5.0 auto
    1987 Camaro IROC Z Stock 5.7 auto
    1983 Olds Cutlass 350 Rocket auto 13.8 Qt. Mile
    1985 Mustang GT Black on Gray, 5.0, 5 Speed R.I.P.

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    Anyone,,,,
    Have:1986 Mustang GT Silver on Red, 5.0, 5 Speed
    1985 Mustang LX Red on Red 2.3 auto The Turd!
    Had: 1990 Thunderbird SC Red on Black 3.8 SC 5 Speed
    1969 Olds Cutlass S 350 Rocket auto, 12.5 Qt. Mile.
    1970 Chevelle SS 396 375 hp First car
    1977 & 79 Camaro Z/28 400 SBC auto
    1985 Camaro IROC Z Stock 5.0 auto
    1987 Camaro IROC Z Stock 5.7 auto
    1983 Olds Cutlass 350 Rocket auto 13.8 Qt. Mile
    1985 Mustang GT Black on Gray, 5.0, 5 Speed R.I.P.

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    86-93
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    I'm doing the samething you are, except keeping the aod. I have the same setup with an a9l currently. I was also led to the thread on corral. I posted up there with what i have. In that thread they said that just doing the maf conversion is not as big of a deal. the main concern seems to be on cars when doing 4cyl to v8 swaps. I was told the only thing i need to really do is check pin 46 on the harness side. With the ecu unplugged just need to turn key and see if there is voltage at pin 46. If there is voltage then you do NOT want to plug in the 5 spd computer. If you look at the corral thread posted above and go to page 5 you will see the latest info from where i posted my questions.
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    What's the link to it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by banzaibullitt View Post
    What's the link to it?

    link is in post #8 of this thread
    Current: 81 Cobra T Top, 79 Cobra.
    Past Toys: 1964 Falcon Vert, 1966 Mustang(owned twice), 70 Conv, 1978 Mustang II(first car), 80 Cobra, 81 Cobra, 82 GT T-Top, 85 GT 3,900 miles, 85 Predator/Twister 5S-0149, 86 Saleen 177, 86 SVO, 86 Mustang GT, 86 Mustang GT Vert, 87 Mustang GT, 89 Mustang Notch, 2003 Mustang GT Roush Clone, 2006 Mustang V6(Stainless Works LT's, MBRP cat back, 3.73's, tb, cai), and my favorite 2002 Mustang GT MPH 302 stroker, KB 2.2, TKO 500 640rwhp/591torque.

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    That link is great although I am still not sure on what I need to do. I have an 86 that I converting over to maf and not too sure what to do about my o2 harness. Mine is an 86 that only has 3 wires. The computer I sourced is an
    a9p from an auto untill I can find something better. Any thoughts on what I need to do to make this work. The car is a 5 speed....

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