Race svo

[superhighoutput]

I have a question ,I am modifying my svo for race only duty and that includes a complete front end made of fiberglass from http://hairyglass.com/mustang.html

I can not believe the amount of flac I have received from a couple of people on this and another forum.why is it such a crime to modify my car as I see fit?

I actually saved this car from being V8 altered by buying it but decided that I wanted to modify it for my needs ,it was going to cost me several thousand dollars just to put it in driver type condition ,so I chose to go another way and fill a need that I had.
there is no problem when someone puts fender flares and a cowl hood on their v8 cars ,so why do I get hassled for doing the same thing to my car?

[evlgt85]

I've not much time to devote to this just yet, and won't be able to come back to it in a while, BUT, before we get any more fuel added to the fire, and because this might calm things down a touch, but which Hairy Glass front end are you going for?

[Mad Max]

If your turning the car built for corners into a drag car you will get no help from me. I dong drag race it boring and too short of a race. What class are you running? Some (or all) of these part might not be legal.

why do I get hassled for doing the same thing to my car?

it's a rare car. It doesn't bother me what you do with your car just don't turn it in to a drag car. An LX would be beter suited for that.

[Hissing Cobra]

The SVO is widely regarded on this forum as being something special and something that the majority of the members of this website (including it's owner and moderators) fiercly want to protect. One of the important paramaters of this site is that we all want to protect as many of these cars as possible, including the "special" models. That being said, if the car is damaged beyond repair or rotted to death, it can be parted out - provided that pictures of the catastrophic damage are shown.

There has never been an issue with people trying to part those types of cars here when there's pictures to prove the catastrophic damage or the major rot. However, there has been many instances where there were problems because there's been no pictures. Because you've been here for quite awhile, I'm sure you've been aware of them.

I realize what you're doing and it is your car to modify to your wants and needs. However, doing it on this site may not be acceptable because of the reasons behind the decision. If you're going to replace the nose with an SVO fiberglass unit, that sounds more acceptable but if you're going to replace it with a standard foureye or even an aeronose unit, that may not be acceptable. In addition, are you trying to keep it an SVO? I see that you're getting rid of a lot of the SVO specific parts.

Please understand our concerns on this topic.

[myler]

I'm not going to flame you... i wouldn't do it myself but i'm not going to flame you. Major reason for myself is there are so many other cars out there that are less rare that you can hack up(not meant in a bad way)

[85 GT Kid]

Well it seems like hes gonna keep the svo look just use a fiberglass piece for weight. Even if he was gonna use it as a drag car hes still keeping it a 2.3 (well it sounds like it). Its not like the suspension from a svo is top notch and you can always change it back.

[superhighoutput]

I've not much time to devote to this just yet, and won't be able to come back to it in a while, BUT, before we get any more fuel added to the fire, and because this might calm things down a touch, but which Hairy Glass front end are you going for?

both the hood and the fender/nose is exact replica of the original ,only no lights they are however molded into the front and will be painted .could you imagine every time you take it to the track worrying about the marker lights? ,I wanted everything to be trouble free but to look completely stock .
I also will be bolting in a roll cage and removing the seats and the interior plastic .it will even be running the original style wing on the car.
I truly like the mods I am doing and really have no idea why it is such a big deal,
my first racing will be at the Texas mile track but then I may take it to the local drag strip or who knows.I am not changing anything mechanically that would hurt its handling ability .

[superhighoutput]

The SVO is widely regarded on this forum as being something special and something that the majority of the members of this website (including it's owner and moderators) fiercly want to protect. One of the important paramaters of this site is that we all want to protect as many of these cars as possible, including the "special" models. That being said, if the car is damaged beyond repair or rotted to death, it can be parted out - provided that pictures of the catastrophic damage is shown.

There has never been an issue with people trying to part those types of cars here when there's pictures to prove the catastrophic damage or the major rot. However, there has been many instances where there were problems because there's been no pictures. Because you've been here for quite awhile, I'm sure you've been aware of them.

I realize what you're doing and it is your car to modify to your wants and needs. However, doing it on this site may not be acceptable because of the reasons behind the decision. If you're going to replace the nose with an SVO fiberglass unit, that sounds more acceptable but if you're going to replace it with a standard foureye or even an aeronose unit, that may not be acceptable. In addition, are you trying to keep it an SVO? I see that you're getting rid of a lot of the SVO specific parts.

Please understand our concerns on this topic.
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I understand your concerns and in many ways share them however all the things I am doing to my car are bolt ons .no torch,no cutting and it will get the 2.3 engine it came with (if I can salvage the rusty pieces) if not I have a turbocoupe motor to go in it .

[ZachW04Stang]

I say have fun. Theres a lot you can do with the 2.3 to make it fast for the track. Theres a guy who drag races an svo sometimes at the local track. He runs low 13's and sometimes breaks into the 12's. Theres also a probe thats tube chassis w/ a 2.3 based motor that runs high 8's. Its pretty impressive what you can do with such a small motor.

[93-331-29PSI]

I see no issue with your plans. It is your car and it isn't like it will be completely losing it's identity. I don't completely understand the purpose in removing the interior panels as the weight savings isn't worth the effort (IMO). I also would hope that you'll keep the original parts so that you can return it should you later choose.

[SVO4PWR2]

I also will be bolting in a roll cage ...

:slap:
Do all of us a favor...Do what you want to your car and stop posting.
By not posting it will stop "us" from cutting you down.:sadwavey:
better yet make the vert into a "drag car"
carry on -RICH-

[superhighoutput]

better yet make the vert into a "drag car"
carry on -RICH-

sure take a low mile car ,that is much lower production than the svo and turn it into a drag car,brilliant

the last thing I will say on this whole issue is,if anyone has paid attention to the recent problems selling any cars in particular the svo's you have noticed that even rare ones are not selling .

I know of a total of three low mileage 84 option delete cars in near perfect or one that is beyond perfect condition ,that are not even reaching the $5000 mark ,
so it did not make since to me to put a minimum of $3000 dollars(before paint) into a car that if I replaced cleaned and replaced all the parts it needs would be worth $2500 at most .
so I decided to pull the car out of the field in which it has been for years and at least get it an engine and a purpose .
I even tried to find some one with a car that had a salvage title to trade shells and titles (at no financial gain to me ) so I could get another car on the road plus complete something I want .

I have decided to complete my car as I wish and in the end I believe the end result will change some minds ,
but who knows in the end if it does not meet my expectations then I will unbolt the items I added and buy the parts needed to restore it and go that route .
it is funny that several people have told me to sell it and buy a GT for my project and that would make the svo people happy ,
for one thing I could not even recoup half of the money that I paid for the svo and this is not a clean low mileage car that is being sacrificed ,
what it is is a car that has been left in a field with the engine left open to the elements (valve cover removed years ago )that rusted to the point of needing a donor from a turbocoupe .
the only good point is the body did not rust but the body parts that are not metal such as the front bumper cover did not do so well .

so that ends my comments in this or any other forum regarding this issue .

[86_Notch]

since you are saving a car that was destined for the rust gods, then carry on. as long as you are keeping the character of the car intact then i see no problems. good luck and don't get discouraged. i'd rather see your project completed then to see someone who tubs a 85 or 86 gt ( much worse in my opinion ) good luck and if you feel uncomfortable posting pics then pm some to me i'd love to see em . > : 0 )

[SVO4PWR2]

Like i said before
Do What ever you want to your car, But when You post on a forums Do expect people reply.

People on this site are Much nicer than the SVOCA

-RICH-
SVOCA #149

[myler]

Yea, you asked opinions then got them thats all that happened. We aren't going to change your mind, but opinions will be presented that differ from yours.

[SVO4PWR2]

And another thing in your 1st post you claim to have a question But never do ask a question you go on and start saying how much flack you got...


I have a question ,I am modifying my svo for race only duty and that includes a complete front end made of fiberglass from http://hairyglass.com/mustang.html

I can not believe the amount of flac I have received from a couple of people on this and another forum.why is it such a crime to modify my car as I see fit?

I actually saved this car from being V8 altered by buying it but decided that I wanted to modify it for my needs ,it was going to cost me several thousand dollars just to put it in driver type condition ,so I chose to go another way and fill a need that I had.
there is no problem when someone puts fender flares and a cowl hood on their v8 cars ,so why do I get hassled for doing the same thing to my car?
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I have added an SVO to my my short list of mustangs
1984 SVO
1984 Turbo Convertible
cars I still want, an early 80's turbo cobra,turbo fairmont,thunderbird turbocoupe,and a merkur .see a pattern LOL oops I almost forgot capri rs turbo ,


Please go work on your SVO and have fun with it.

-RICH-

[7t9cobra]

if you want an SVO race car, cool. getting rid of its identity, not cool. i will trade you a 2-eyed hatch or notch with a nice shell if you want to make a race car. i can run accross plenty of them for cheap.

[Ken P]

As long as it retains an I-4 turbo ( 2.3, 2.5, 2.8 ) and the general overall appearance of an SVO I see nothing wrong with it. Just don't do this to it please...

Wrecked on his first time out and destroyed this SVO because he thought he was Mario...

[AT6svo]

Damn, thats a hard hit!

[superhighoutput]

As long as it retains an I-4 turbo ( 2.3, 2.5, 2.8 ) and the general overall appearance of an SVO I see nothing wrong with it. Just don't do this to it please...

Ken I will do my best:)
unfortunately there is more damage happening to svo's on the street than all the ones raced ,
I have read about plenty involved in traffic accidents in just the few years I have been paying attention.
I have not had a wreck on the street or at any track events in all the time I have been doing both 33rs+ total.I know part is luck but being
careful,
a good driver
and too cheap to do major body work counts for something

[Jax Rhapsody]

Funny how the guys on this site are quick to say take an engine from a turbocoupe which is another rare car with a limited run. Then again I would take a SN-95 bullit swap in the Cobra IRS and 4.6 with a Mach Ones hood and hoodscoop just because the bullit doesn't have those ugly sidevents.

[Mad Max]

Funny how the guys on this site are quick to say take an engine from a turbocoupe which is another rare car with a limited run.

I tried to save the one I had but the rust far had eaten it too much. The tank mout were non-existant, the battle boxes were rusted all the way though and most of the solid lines had holes in them. It would have cost 7-8K to fix.

[chalkysexplorer]

As long as it's a turbo 4 and looks like an SVO, go for it!!! Look at vrinners car or Bill Hatfields "Patriot" race car, much if which was done by an SVOCA BoD member.

As for the SVOCA, as long as you're not a total tool, we're mostly nice people:):)

[KAILUAZ]

Wow a pre-87 AND a SVO, your a gluten for punishment posting here :roflkeke: I say its your ride and do what you like, just get your k pot and flak jacket on. Good luck!

[Scotth]

Drop an LS1 in it and call it a day.

[Ford'sCapri]

Good luck with your project. As I see it, the SVO's and the SVT Cobra's were built to be raced. Why else would they be built with chassis, brake, suspension and engine modifications from the factory?

Also, the front clip that your putting on kinda does 2 things if you think about it. It reduces weight and saves the original factory parts from possible damage. And since it's a SVO look a like part even better.

And finally, don't be discouraged. If someone really doesn't like what your doing to your car tell them to pull out their wallet and "save" the SVO from you.

[James]

Exactly it's your car. No one has the right to tell you what to do with it.

[Mustang Matt]

Many of you know my SVO. IRS, complete Cobra suspension, trick two tone paint job and magazine features. The car was wrecked in an accident, hit from the rear and pushed into a trailer hitch in front of me because I was using it as a daily driver- something that is (in my opinion) far more risky than racing it. I cobbled it back together based on what I was willing to spend on an 84- yes it is an early slapper bar car but the slappers are long gone and that does not make it desirable by any means, just unique.

I dont need another show car, I dont need a daily driver. The best use that I can find for the car (I love her and wont get what I have invested on a sale) is as an open track DE type fun machine- it fits my needs..... and it is still paying homage to the SVO in a big way. Read the Nelson Ledges story and realize that the car was built to go racing. Mine will go with the outer marker lights too, just not really nice ones. I figure it will make me drive just a bit more carefully. It will be out there to have fun and be enjoyed for what it was designed to do, using the chassis and suspension to its fullest advantage.

Dont hack it up, do it right and drive it with respect. Nuff said.

Oh yeah and make sure you hand some V8 guys their a$$es while you are at it.

[7t9cobra]

As long as it retains an I-4 turbo ( 2.3, 2.5, 2.8 ) and the general overall appearance of an SVO I see nothing wrong with it. Just don't do this to it please...

Wrecked on his first time out and destroyed this SVO because he thought he was Mario...


i bet i could fix that car. if somebody gave me an SVO like that, i would seriously cut off the subframes in the front and replace everything forward. i would have to get that car dirt cheap or free though.

Many of you know my SVO. IRS, complete Cobra suspension, trick two tone paint job and magazine features. The car was wrecked in an accident, hit from the rear and pushed into a trailer hitch in front of me because I was using it as a daily driver- something that is (in my opinion) far more risky than racing it. I cobbled it back together based on what I was willing to spend on an 84- yes it is an early slapper bar car but the slappers are long gone and that does not make it desirable by any means, just unique.

I dont need another show car, I dont need a daily driver. The best use that I can find for the car (I love her and wont get what I have invested on a sale) is as an open track DE type fun machine- it fits my needs..... and it is still paying homage to the SVO in a big way. Read the Nelson Ledges story and realize that the car was built to go racing. Mine will go with the outer marker lights too, just not really nice ones. I figure it will make me drive just a bit more carefully. It will be out there to have fun and be enjoyed for what it was designed to do, using the chassis and suspension to its fullest advantage.

Dont hack it up, do it right and drive it with respect. Nuff said.

Oh yeah and make sure you hand some V8 guys their a$$es while you are at it.


i agree. the car was built to race, so i say go for it and post up some pics and videos too. but just please dont lose the SVO identity. (in other words, 4-banger, sail panels, wing and front clip should stay SVO) obviously i dont want to tell you what to do, but i can just make suggestions to help however possible. but like i said.....if you want a race car chassis, i would be glad to trade a nice hatch/ notch, 2-eyed/4-eyed for an SVO

[stableboy]

Mustang Matt
I looked at your photobucket and realized I had been there before some time ago. Did you ever do anything with the blue svo vert?

[FoxChassis]

Blue SVO vert? You mean a convertible that was made to look like an SVO.

[895.0]

Drop an LS1 in it and call it a day.
thats about the dumbest thing i have heard

[superhighoutput]

I knew I could count on fep to be the voice of reason,
my intention is to make a safe track car that is 100% SVO ,I also wanted to offer up the parts that were left over to SVO enthusiasts to keep more on the road and bypass ebay .
I have sold the marker lights to a major player in the 2.3 world ,not for the most money I could get but a reasonable agreed price .
I also will be getting another 84 SVO the same color as my GT vert ( canyon Red)around the first of the year and that car will be kept completely stock and as showroom perfect as I can keep it .
after I did a bit of cleaning up on my project SVO I found out it is not black as I thought but Dark Charcoal Metallic .
I can not however confirm this via buck tag because it is missing and the door tag is not readable but I will repaint it the original color and other than the lack of real headlights in the front I do not think anyone will be able to tell it from another SVO .so have a little faith SVO purists I have no intention of hacking up another SVO ,but imho it will be doing what it was meant to do ...GO FAST

[RichV]

What kind of racecar are you building? What will the setup be?

IMO, the SVO is an ultra rare part of mustang history. Speaking from road course racing experience, yea it's cool to say it's a real Saleen, SVO, ASC, etc. But if you're truly making a racecar (not streetable, cage, no interior, safety stuff, etc) you may as well grab a low cost dime-a-dozen shell and start there. By the time you are done you will have replaced most of the SVO specific stuff anyway and sold them to enthusiasts or people restoring theirs. Which almost makes it like parting it out.

What makes the SVO a good choice? I mean, what in particular is attracting you start with an SVO? Is it because you have one? Or do you have a reason mechanicaly?

The SVO market is so fickle. You see great deals and there are also the overpriced $5K+ cars falling appart. So if youre getting flack for modding an SVO but you cannot sell it for what you need/want, what do you do? The purists can do all they want, but if you're trying to do the right thing and cannot sell it, you're not gonna give it away!

Bottom line, your car. It would be hella cool to see a real roadrace SVO out at the track. But realy, that car would only be a SVO by the VIN.

Have you run a roadcourse ever? We had an event scheduled at Sandia last year, but it did not come through. It looks like a fun track, ever been there?

[Mad Max]

thats about the dumbest thing i have heard

+1

cross breading car part is like imbreading... ...anything

[Ken P]

I knew I could count on fep to be the voice of reason,
my intention is to make a safe track car that is 100% SVO ,I also wanted to offer up the parts that were left over to SVO enthusiasts to keep more on the road and bypass ebay .
I have sold the marker lights to a major player in the 2.3 world ,not for the most money I could get but a reasonable agreed price .
I also will be getting another 84 SVO the same color as my GT vert ( canyon Red)around the first of the year and that car will be kept completely stock and as showroom perfect as I can keep it .
after I did a bit of cleaning up on my project SVO I found out it is not black as I thought but Dark Charcoal Metallic .
I can not however confirm this via buck tag because it is missing and the door tag is not readable but I will repaint it the original color and other than the lack of real headlights in the front I do not think anyone will be able to tell it from another SVO .so have a little faith SVO purists I have no intention of hacking up another SVO ,but imho it will be doing what it was meant to do ...GO FAST


PLEASE STOP BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE. I NEED YOUR VIN TO CHECK IF IT MAY BE ONE OF THE SVO ENGINEER PROGRAM CARS. SEND IT TO ME IN A PM PLEASE.

Most of them were 84 9W charcol grey metallic... Thank you in advance :)

[superhighoutput]

PLEASE STOP BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING ELSE. I NEED YOUR VIN TO CHECK IF IT MAY BE ONE OF THE SVO ENGINEER PROGRAM CARS. SEND IT TO ME IN A PM PLEASE.

ok ok stop yelling...lol

[superhighoutput]

pm sent

[Ken P]

ok ok stop yelling...lol

Sorry, it was pretty noisy here in the kitchen... HAHA

Well I checked and I'm sorry to say yours is not one of the program SVOs...

Carry on with your original plans. :)

[superhighoutput]

Sorry, it was pretty noisy here in the kitchen... HAHA

Well I checked and I'm sorry to say yours is not one of the program SVOs...

Carry on with your original plans.

if it was I would have put it for sale for what I have in it and found something else .I am not a total jack a**:)

[Jax Rhapsody]

+1

cross breading car part is like imbreading... ...anything


Depends on engine and car.

[Mad Max]

Depends on engine and car.

there are rare exeptions. VERY rare exceptions....


.....and putting a SBC into a early Ford is not one of them.

[superhighoutput]

The controversy is dead,I sold the car to a friend that will be doing a complete restoration.:):)

[SVO4PWR2]

The controversy is dead

i think it was all in your head...:rolleyes:

Now go make that Gt a dragcar:hsnuts:

-RICH-

[superhighoutput]

Now go make that Gt a dragcar


the GT is going back to stock and now I am hunting for a suitable body for my project .

[Mad Max]

the GT is going back to stock and now I am hunting for a suitable body for my project .

Farmont wagon!?!?!?!

[Ken P]

the GT is going back to stock and now I am hunting for a suitable body for my project .

While I would have had no problem with a dedicated track SVO I think you'll be better off in the long run. Here is my 92 coupe track car project. I haven't quite decided on what engine to use as I have both spare 2.3Ts and 5.0s to chose from. It had belonged to a friend who took the drivetrain to build a Factory Five Cobra kit car. I got it as a bare shell with no suspension and a ton of spare parts which I sold and applied to the current 96 Cobra rear and front suspension.

It also has the complete MM max grip package and a 8 point cage.

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n59/KPSVO/img034.jpg

[Jax Rhapsody]

there are rare exeptions. VERY rare exceptions....


.....and putting a SBC into a early Ford is not one of them.

This is true, I may not have any brand loyalty and I may be all for customizing a car and doin as you see fit. I agree with you especially in limited run cars. But if I could put a 440 CrossRam Commando in my K10 I would. There just happens theres not many FoMoCo engines I like. The 140, 200, 300, 390, 4.6dohc, 351.