The rarest Dominator

[GT350 Dominator]

Here's what I believe to be the rarest one.Only 4 20th Anniversary models were sold with the Dominator package.

I bought this car new from Summit Ford in Lee's Summit when I was 23, my first new car. I just got out of the Marine Corps and came home and went straight to Summit to buy a Dominator because they were legendary around here. The salesman tells me he has 1 left thats also a 20th Anniversary model, would I be interested? Uuhh,yeah! Cost $13,247 new. I went thru the entire car 2 years ago because it had been in storeage for 9 years(divorce) The interior is original, original block, but now a 347with 450HP, 93 cobra 5 speed,3.73 8.8 rear, they were born with 7.5 rears, so I had to change that junk. Anyway the list goes on and on with the hipo parts, but it is exactly like it was when it rolled off the showroom floor in appearence down to the crappy casette stereo! Only the Weld Pro Stars and the fuel pressure gauge, and rear fuel pump are not original.
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[capriman86]

First GT350 Dominator I would love to welcome you to FEP!
I have seen pics of this car and so happy to see you join up!

I split/moved your post to the Online Car show section because its going to receive
alot of feedback which isn't directly related to dakota4eyes resto thread.

BEAUTIFUL CAR!!!! WOW

[89 AZ SSP]

:eek:

Wow!! that thing is beautiful!!

[slow84lx]

Wow! Very nice car! Thanks for sharing some information and the photo's.

Welcome to the site. Hope you enjoy it and visit often.

[02Z06]

Very cool! I've got an '86 that I just bought off of a member here on the board, 62k original miles and pretty much original. I've got a question for you, any idea what the dominator package cost on top of a regular GT? I've got the window sticker, build sheets, etc etc but no where does it say what the cost of the package was...

[haromaster87]

Man that is awesome! Very nice car. And uh, excuse my ignorance, but what was the dominator package? like what changed? lol

[dburdyshaw]

Awesome!!!

[82mustang]

very nice! got a better pic of your tailpipe setup? i cant really make out how it looks from the rear shot

[82mustang]

few things to point out just because i can:
That hood insulation, holes in the air cleaner lid and foam seal arent stock right?(actually i know they arent). And you probably yanked off that "weatherstrip" that goes on top of the firewall sealing it to the hood also..is that hood scoop stock?

[86gtwith82nose]

wanna trade a 86 gt and a 2002 explorer :-D o well i thought i would try. BEAUTIFUL CAR. welcome to the forum

[bigred15]

Welcome to th..........e site. Sorry, I just had panic attack after I saw your car. That car is beyond words.

[85bubblebackboy]

truly beutiful i comend you....

[84rsturbo]

welcome and what a car you have

[GT350 Dominator]

First I'll say THANKS! I love to show the car, its was quite a job hanging on to it for all these years, and the ground up resto took alot of time and money, which I did all myself in a house garage with a minimum of tools. Shows what you can do with just perserverence.

The only package they offered in 1984 was $1280 and it included:
Functional hood scoop
Re-worked Holley 4 bbl.
Hood sealing air cleaner
Ford Motorsport extra performance ignition with adjustabl rev limiter
Headers
3.27 limited slip rearend
decals
The only place you'll find the price is on your actuall contract that you signed for reciept of the car, it was a pink carbon copy sheet.

The car ran 13.80 back then in stock form, so not that fast.

Today it runs 11.70 just the way she sits, 347, Eagle forged rotating, has 10.5 compression,Rpm alum. 2.02 heads, 750 DP Holley,Hurricane intake,Comp cam .575 lift, under drive pulleys,alum. drive shaft,5.0 shifter, idles at 1250 and turns 7000 every shift.It makes 449 HP and 425 torque and sounds mean as heck just idleing thru a car show, which I love. It NEVER leaves the garage without getting the h*ll run out of it!

And you are right about the weather strip on the cowl, didn't like the look of it, besides this car never sees rain. And the exhaust I have is 2 1/2 that just turns down when it gets to the rearend.

[dakota4eyes]

few things to point out just because i can:
That hood insulation, holes in the air cleaner lid and foam seal arent stock right?(actually i know they arent). And you probably yanked off that "weatherstrip" that goes on top of the firewall sealing it to the hood also..is that hood scoop stock?

The Air Cleaner with the holes, the hood scoop with a hole cut in it, and the "weatherstip" sealing the Air Cleaner to the hood is part of the dealer package that came will all carburated Dominators. I have the exact air cleaner hanging in my garage waiting to go back on my '85 Dominator once I put it back together.

GT350 DOMINATOR, that is one sweeeet looking car. Makes me hyper to get mine back together.

[ScreeminChikin]

Man thats a beautiful car. I see the show-me plate so are you still in the KC area? Keep an eye on the regional forum for info about the Four Eyed Pride get together(s) this summer. Would love to see that bad boy in person.

[85DOMINATOR/GT]

LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE FIVE DOMINATOR/GT ON THIS SITE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET PICS ON ALL OF THEM. 02ZO6 WHO DID YOU BUY YOUR 86DOMINATOR FROM ?AND GT350 DOMINATOR PM ME YOUR PHONE # , I HAVE QUESTION FOR YOU. DAKOTA WHAT STAGE 1,2OR 3 DOMINATOR DO YOU HAVE ? AND THE SAME QUESTION FOR GT 350 DOMINATOR.

[Blue86]

Nice! Welcome!

[dakota4eyes]

LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE FIVE DOMINATOR/GT ON THIS SITE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET PICS ON ALL OF THEM. 02ZO6 WHO DID YOU BUY YOUR 86DOMINATOR FROM ?AND GT350 DOMINATOR PM ME YOUR PHONE # , I HAVE QUESTION FOR YOU. DAKOTA WHAT STAGE 1,2OR 3 DOMINATOR DO YOU HAVE ? AND THE SAME QUESTION FOR GT 350 DOMINATOR.

I believe mine to be a Stage 1. It had long tube headers, the "worked over" Holley, the Rev Limiter made by MSD for Ford Motor Sports, the special dual snorkel air cleaner and functional hood scoop like the one on this thread. It didn't have the 140mph speedo like some got, but will have one when the resto is done. The car does have T-Tops, not sure how many Dominators had those.

I have a thread in the Restoration section of this site with pictures of it "before", with the bodywork/repaint just finally getting started. I hope to post progress pictures if I can remember the camera when I stop by ;).

[GT350 Dominator]

The only Dominator pkg. available was the 1 I have, from 1984 on its the only one offered, I believe the Stage 1-3 pkgs. were only available before 1984. I may be wrong it may be before 1983, but I know that all 84's and up had the same or less on them, no motor up-grades. PM me for a phone number at, bahunter1@comcast.net

Yes I still live about 20 miles from Lee's Summit. I go to all the Cruise Nites here in the KC area, and have raced cars around Olathe and Noland road in Independence on Fri. and Sat. nites.

[JamesD]

Is this the MSD you are talking about?

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f387/srv1/Mustang%20parts/FordMSDoptispark.jpg

James

[GT350 Dominator]

No, the original on my you can see if you look at the photo of the engine bay right under the air cleaner snorkel on the driver side, it had a small chip in the side that you put in for the rev limiter, no dial thing. The decal is blue and silver and says Extra performance iginition w/ built in Rev limiter by MSD for Ford Motorsport.

Thats the correct one in the photo 2 down, from Dakota4eyes.

[Blainer]

Welcome to the site! Its prety cool seeing the rare 4 eyed cars slowly popping up.

[dakota4eyes]

No, the original on my you can see if you look at the photo of the engine bay right under the air cleaner snorkel on the driver side, it had a small chip in the side that you put in for the rev limiter, no dial thing. The decal is blue and silver and says Extra performance iginition w/ built in Rev limiter by MSD for Ford Motorsport.

Mine also had the "plug ins" you stick in the side, it had a 7000 plug in it when I got it.

Here is a picture of mine:

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o130/hoffmtim/103_0067.jpg

[dakota4eyes]

The only Dominator pkg. available was the 1 I have, from 1984 on its the only one offered, I believe the Stage 1-3 pkgs. were only available before 1984. I may be wrong it may be before 1983, but I know that all 84's and up had the same or less on them, no motor up-grades. PM me for a phone number at, bahunter1@comcast.net

Yes I still live about 20 miles from Lee's Summit. I go to all the Cruise Nites here in the KC area, and have raced cars around Olathe and Noland road in Independence on Fri. and Sat. nites.



Did yours have the long tube headers?


Edit.... Ooops, missed the header comment. I'm assuming they were long tube.

[evlgt85]

Awesome car!

Do you have any pictures of it when it was bone stock? Or any of the original documentation on the car? If so, could we talk you into posting this stuff?

If any other Dominator owners are looking in here, the above questions are for you all as well :) There's been much curiosity but not much hard information on these cars over the years. I'm wanting to add a Dominator section to the main site.

Thanks for posting pics!

[02Z06]

I've got the original window sticker and two buildsheets for my dominator, as well as a letter from the salesperson sayign "I hope you enjoy your Dominator GT..." but no documentation as to what the package cost back then. I'd be more than happy to post that information though if you'd like.

[evlgt85]

I'll take whatever you've got. It's so cool to see these cars finally popping up a little more here and there.

[capriman86]

I'll take whatever you've got. It's so cool to see these cars finally popping up a little more here and there.

:stupid:

[85DOMINATOR/GT]

I THINK DAKOTA IS RIGHT . I BELIVE THAT 1985 WAS THE LAST YEAR THAT SUMMIT USED THE FORD MOTORSPORTS REV LIMITER, AND MODIFIED THE ENG. ALSO JEFF AT R and A MOTORSPORTS INC. ARE GETTING INFO OUT ON DOMINATORS TO. R and A IS IN THE SAME BULDING THAT MADE DOMINATORS

[GT350 Dominator]

It will take some time, but I'll try, I actually have a picture of all 4 20th Aniversary Dominators in front of Summit Ford from before they were all sold! I believe there was 2 convertibles, 1 with T-tops, and my Hatchback.

I believe they made them until 1986......1980-86.

As to rarity, I grew up here and seeing any back then was pretty rare, now days its about never.

[dakota4eyes]

Guys,

All I can say is I am thrilled I'm not crazy. I had never heard of these cars, and as you can tell by the posts neither had most everyone else. I am please as punch you guys are coming forward with your cars and telling the story of the Dominator.

I picked up a '96 Mystic Chrome Cobra two weeks ago in KC, and the guy I bought it from remembered the Dominators and the Predators.

Keep the info coming!

[bigred15]

It will take some time, but I'll try, I actually have a picture of all 4 20th Aniversary Dominators in front of Summit Ford from before they were all sold! I believe there was 2 convertibles, 1 with T-tops, and my Hatchback.

I believe they made them until 1986......1980-86.

As to rarity, I grew up here and seeing any back then was pretty rare, now days its about never.

There was a GT350 Dominator w/Tops?!?!?! That just encompassed three of my favorite cars in one!!!LOL God I hope its still out there somewhere in one piece. I would trade everything I had to get my hands on that car.

[GT350 Dominator]

And just so you guys know, we all thought the Predator was a copy of the Dominator and a joke, nothing in the way of performance, just a roll bar, which we thought was cool, and a cheezy little hood scoop,some decals and a number plate under the hood. Nobody I knew wanted one, and I roasted everyone I ever saw!

[GT350 Dominator]

Well, good luck on that one, after I bought mine I ran into the guy with it cruising a couple years later, never saw one of them again.

[nschultz0179]

very nice car....

[gdniel]

very nice.

[eeprete]

wow, great story and a rarity to boot. great job on the resto.

[02Z06]

And just so you guys know, we all thought the Predator was a copy of the Dominator and a joke, nothing in the way of performance, just a roll bar, which we thought was cool, and a cheezy little hood scoop,some decals and a number plate under the hood. Nobody I knew wanted one, and I roasted everyone I ever saw!

Not all Predators were just a scoop and roll bar. My '85 was built with the B303 cam, Edelbrock intake, underdrive pullies, BBK headers and 3.55 gears. So not all of them were all-show-no-go. In fact, it has more performance parts than my '86 Dominator does. I love them both, just don't want false info out there.

[evlgt85]

Not only that, but we certainly don't need any animosity being shown towards the Predators on this site since they ARE cars that this site is interested in and we want to make sure all enthusiast owners are welcomed here and encouraged to share their information. We don't discriminate when it comes to which car might be seen or built as cooler or not as cool.

[ScreeminChikin]

Not all Predators were just a scoop and roll bar. My '85 was built with the B303 cam, Edelbrock intake, underdrive pullies, BBK headers and 3.55 gears. So not all of them were all-show-no-go. In fact, it has more performance parts than my '86 Dominator does. I love them both, just don't want false info out there.

Was BBK even around in 85?

[GT350 Dominator]

I have an opinion and I will voice it, sorry if you are offended. I'll have to say that your Predator was not born with those features, there weren't underdrive pulleys, or bbks,or the RPM intake( debut in the 90s) and I doubt the b303(again late 80s or early 90s) was part of the package back then either. All was added after the fact. But if they were born with those options then they sure were slow, besides I knew 2 different guys with them and they had was exactly what I stated in my post. Are they unique and desireable,YES. I was only stating what we thought of them in 1985.
So don't get upset over my opinion, you may like oranges, I may like apples, makes no difference either way.

[02Z06]

No offense taken, but I've been working closely with the man who runs the predator registry, and he is good friends with Tom Solomon, the owner and builder of the cars. There were many predators with no options, just stickers and the like. There were GT302Rs that came with 3.73 or 4.10 gears and underdrive pullies in '84, and by '85 anything offered in the Ford motorsport catalog could be ordered as well as most aftermarket performance parts. Many cars were built with the Performer RPM (I believe) intake. I'll have to double check my car. Many predators were built without any performance parts, and those must have been the ones you raced. A Predator with Cam, intake, pullies, and exhaust should have run pretty well for back then. I'm not concerned about what's faster, I don't race them and don't care to. I like all of the rare mustangs of that era, and I'm not arguing with you. Just want to make sure that both sides are spoken for. (coming from someone who owns both).

I have an opinion and I will voice it, sorry if you are offended. I'll have to say that your Predator was not born with those features, there weren't underdrive pulleys, or bbks, and I doubt the b303 was part of the package back then either. All was added after the fact. But if they were born with those options then they sure were slow, besides I knew 2 different guys with them and they had was exactly what I stated in my post. Are the unique and desireable,YES. I was only stating what we thought of them in 1985.
So don't get upset over my opinion, you may like oranges, I may like apples, makes no difference either way.

[predator20]

Was BBK even around in 85?
From '88 according to this. http://www.bbkperformance.com/inside.shtml

[GT350 Dominator]

Point well taken, and I too like all rare cars, actually all cars in great condition(except foreign) And yes I agree with you on the fact that there were some made by Solomon that were performance cars, just none that were sold to the public thru a dealer, so I kinda consider them, like a Callaway Corvette, they could make you one after you own the car, so all the Predators I saw were only shadows of what they were meant to be. Kind of a different animal. And I am sure I don't know the whole story, just bits and pieces, same way with my car. I would like to see some of your photos also, and I am jealous you have both, and to add, I always wished my car had come with a roll bar!

[83 V8 RS T's]

Learn something new everyday on this site.That car ROCKS. You have kept her in MINT shape,very nice.

[JamesD]

Not all Predators were just a scoop and roll bar. My '85 was built with the B303 cam, Edelbrock intake, underdrive pullies, BBK headers and 3.55 gears. So not all of them were all-show-no-go. In fact, it has more performance parts than my '86 Dominator does. I love them both, just don't want false info out there.

For some reason I do not believe that. From what I read the alphabet cams were designed for fuel injected cars and I believe they didn't show up until the first mass air which was 88. Your car did not come from the factory with BBK headers nor underdrive pulleys. The gears may be questionable but again if they did offer this stuff it was not authorized by Ford. The dealer probably bought most of the parts from a speed shop and then advertised them their own way.

James

[CK_performance]

i haven't seen a dominator since i was 16.. and it didn't look nearly that great! that thing is a work of art.. GREAT JOB!

[CK_performance]

and there were under drive pulleys in the 80's. the 5.0 HO's had a smaller water pump pulley then the run of the mill 302(non-HO, whatever they called them). i found that out by mistake

[85vert]

For some reason I do not believe that. From what I read the alphabet cams were designed for fuel injected cars and I believe they didn't show up until the first mass air which was 88. Your car did not come from the factory with BBK headers nor underdrive pulleys. The gears may be questionable but again if they did offer this stuff it was not authorized by Ford. The dealer probably bought most of the parts from a speed shop and then advertised them their own way.

James

B-cams came stock in 85 Mclarens so I think at least they were around before 88.

[02Z06]

The headers I will look into, if BBK was not around back then then they weren't around. I was just relaying the information given to me by the man who runs the registry. He talks to Tom Solomon on a regular basis and supposedly verified this information for my car. Gears were available back then, as well as the B-cams and underdrive pullies.

This is a link to one of the '84 brochures. To my knowledge, the cams/intakes were not available in '84. But the gears and underdrive pullies were:
http://www.mustanggt.org/photopost/data/726/medium/SolomonAmerican2.jpg

[GT350 Dominator]

I always thought the B303 was a roller cam and that would put it in 1988? And The headers were custom if they were long tube, nobody made long tubes to fit a Fox body back then as far as I know. I would love to read that sheet but its too small, can you make it larger?

[FoxChassis]

Ford started putting "roller cams" in Mustangs and Capris in '85.

[dakota4eyes]

I always thought the B303 was a roller cam and that would put it in 1988? And The headers were custom if they were long tube, nobody made long tubes to fit a Fox body back then as far as I know. I would love to read that sheet but its too small, can you make it larger?

It is my understanding that Hooker made longtube headers for fox bodies back in the mid 80's and they were used on the Dominators. I will try and verify.

[GT350 Dominator]

Good to know on the B303, as for the headers, I still have the originals, and they look custom, I don't use them anymore, bought new ones for the resto, but the originals are certainly not factory pieces. You can tell the originals due to the fact the drivers side collector does'nt sit horizontal to the car, it ended short at a downward angle so the exhaust had to do a quick bend up and toward the passenger side to get to the crossmember for the tranny loop, all which I never liked because it made that side hang down lower by about 2" and looked like crap when you looked under the car.

[JamesD]

B cams were not around in 85. B cams were designed for fuel injected mass air cars. 1985 was the first year of the roller block so I do not know where some of you are getting this information. The 84 Mustang is a non-roller block so how could a Dominator use a roller cam? Maybe in 85 but still the alphabet cams were designed for fuel injected cars but that does not mean you cannot use them in a carb setup. Also I wonder how they configured 4 catalytic convertors with long drop headers? It may have came with shorties headers but not long drops. Every 302 car that I have seen from roughly 84 and up have 4 cats. How would it pass emissions for a new car with only 2 cats if they used the long drops? What about the air tube that goes from the cat to the air pump? How would that work? This would have to be custom exhaust work and I cannot see a dealer making a custom h-pipe and air tube.

James

[ScreeminChikin]

B cams were not around in 85. B cams were designed for fuel injected mass air cars. 1985 was the first year of the roller block so I do not know where some of you are getting this information. The 84 Mustang is a non-roller block so how could a Dominator use a roller cam? Maybe in 85 but still the alphabet cams were designed for fuel injected cars but that does not mean you cannot use them in a carb setup. Also I wonder how they configured 4 catalytic convertors with long drop headers? It may have came with shorties headers but not long drops. Every 302 car that I have seen from roughly 84 and up have 4 cats. How would it pass emissions for a new car with only 2 cats if they used the long drops? What about the air tube that goes from the cat to the air pump? How would that work? This would have to be custom exhaust work and I cannot see a dealer making a custom h-pipe and air tube.

James

Not 100% on this but it seems that I remember way back in the day that the B cam came out around the time the 86 models came out and was supposedly originally designed for the SD cars....didn't work so well obviously but I believe they did exist before mass air and there were a few people that actually got them to work.

As for long tubes....I cant see the factory doing it but since it was a dealer installed thing, maybe they weren't so concerned about 2 cats vs 4. Missouri had a visual emissions inspection but I don't think it was required to have 4 cats. I bet as long as they were there, it was all good. They didn't sniff em back then and I'm pretty sure they don't today even. I think it has been pretty well documented that many of these dealer package cars came off the lot with long tubes....not BBK's but long tube headers none the less. I don't see it being unbelievable that the dealer would chop the cat pipe and weld on header reducers. It was the 80's.

[85vert]

http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showpost.php?p=482408&postcount=20

The cam has been debated before. I can't tell you I held one in 85. If my car hadn't come with one and I hadn't researched it I wouldn't have a clue. Some may tell you I still don't.

[02Z06]

I'm double checking the BBKs on the Predator, but my sources have said that the B303 cam was available in '85 and was installed on a few Predators (the exact number I don't know). The Predator (nor the Dominator) were a "factory" car, they were a "dealer built" car so I don't believe they worked under the same moral guidelines that Ford did. It's my understanding that most of the Dominators were built with hooker long tubes, and the cats were just left off. I cannot say if the same was done on the Predators, because the BBKs (that I have been told are original to the car) are shorties and the cats still could have been used. Apparently neither car builder was concerned with emissions.

[9greenotch3]

wow...never seen one of those before...its a very nice lookin car...pro stars on any fox make it look great

[GT350 Dominator]

The car came with 1 cat, not 4, and long headers, there is no sense debating the issue on what came on the Dominator, I bought it NEW, so I'm without a doubt the expert on that. And as I stated before, they had headers made, welded tubes and collectors and flanges together that were from somewhere, and also welded new flanges on the exhaust to bolt up to the collector thru 1 cat and 1 resonator and into 1 muffler, the stock one, and from there it remained stock, so not true dual ehaust.
I'll simplify, 2 long tube headers, 2 pipes to 1, into cat to resonator, into stock muffler, out the back as 2 again.I know it sounds stupid but thats what Summit did.

[Anthony]

idles at 1250 and turns 7000 every shift.



Any reason that it idles at 1250? turn it down, car will sound better. 1250 is out of the idle circuit in a Holley carb.

[CK_performance]

the B-303 was designed for roller motors.. and to be compatible WITH fuel injunktion, not for it.. the B-303 works much better with a carb

[GT350 Dominator]

Any reason that it idles at 1250? turn it down, car will sound better. 1250 is out of the idle circuit in a Holley carb.

Its actually perfect for this set-up, it has such a viscious lope it will die under 1000, its a .575 lift, don'rt remember the duration, and the total advanced timing is 42 degrees. sounds like its idleing at 500. I also have a reworked carb on it also, almost everybody you read will tell you its over carbed with a 750 DP when you use the displacement formula,which says use a 570 -625 cfm (lol), but I can tell you it is super responsive and pulls to 7000 like there's no tomorrow.
I have had this conversation with many others, all I can say is what I've built works as good as it gets!

[86REDGT]

I have to say, I've never seen one of those. Nice ride and welcome.

[Supersonic G.T.350]

I'm so envious! Beautiful car.

[85CapriGS]

Every 302 car that I have seen from roughly 84 and up have 4 cats. How would it pass emissions for a new car with only 2 cats if they used the long drops? What about the air tube that goes from the cat to the air pump? How would that work? This would have to be custom exhaust work and I cannot see a dealer making a custom h-pipe and air tube.

James

My 85 with 302 like every other one I have seen had 2 cats from the factory. It is my understanding that the 4 cat setup appeared in 86 with the introduction of the true dual exhaust setup.

Back on topic..Nice Dominator! You have a very nice car.

[85DOMINATOR/GT]

DOMINATOR MUSTANGS ARE THE YENKO, BALDWIN AND DANA CAMARO TYPE OF DEALER MUSCLE CAR . THAT YOU COULD BUY IN THE 80'S NEW WHITH A WARRANTY.

[GT350 Dominator]

My 85 with 302 like every other one I have seen had 2 cats from the factory. It is my understanding that the 4 cat setup appeared in 86 with the introduction of the true dual exhaust setup.

Back on topic..Nice Dominator! You have a very nice car.

I believe it was 1 catalytic converter, 1 resinator, not 2 cats, but who really cares what its called.

[iworkoncars]

Wow that car is beautiful, i love what you have done with it, i hope there is a least another one out there somewhere that someone will save before it gets doomed

[CK_performance]

I believe it was 1 catalytic converter, 1 resinator, not 2 cats, but who really cares what its called.

and as for 4 cats.. no such thing.. the 2 closest to the manifolds/headers are resonators

[FoxChassis]

They are NOT resonators. They are catalytic converters.

[CK_performance]

they are not. i can't tell you how many people i had to deal with when i worked at a ACE would fight with me about this. with the pollution pump, there would be no point in 4 cats. not to mention 4 cats would be death on a 302. it would produce hardly 150hp

i can't tell you how many dumb people would argue with me about this, even when i proved them wrong

[ScreeminChikin]

they are not. i can't tell you how many people i had to deal with when i worked at a ACE would fight with me about this. with the pollution pump, there would be no point in 4 cats. not to mention 4 cats would be death on a 302. it would produce hardly 150hp

i can't tell you how many dumb people would argue with me about this, even when i proved them wrong

I would be curious how you proved them wrong. They are indeed cats. I have hollowed them out myself so I can tell you exactly what is in them.

[85CapriGS]

I know for a fact when both of mine were taken off they were indeed cats. I still have the front cat/ypipe from my car saved in my garage just in case I ever need it.

[FoxChassis]

Why would "resonators" require heat shields? Why - if catalytic converters require heat to function properly - would Ford put them that far from the engine?

:no:

The two forward units are a three-way catalyst (TWC) which reduces NOx to N2 and O2, and converts HC and CO to H2O and CO2, and the two rearward units are an oxidation catalyst (OC) which, with the addition of secondary air from the Thermactor pump, convert HC and CO to H2O and CO2.

[CK_performance]

i know what is in them and what exactly they are. they are considered resonators, not cats.

[FoxChassis]

Then please explain to me why those supposed "resonators" have heat shields on them, just like the converters way back there behind them. And please explain to me why only two converters - which require heat to work properly - were placed THAT far away from the engine.

[Hooptie]

I THINK DAKOTA IS RIGHT . I BELIVE THAT 1985 WAS THE LAST YEAR THAT SUMMIT USED THE FORD MOTORSPORTS REV LIMITER, AND MODIFIED THE ENG. ALSO JEFF AT R and A MOTORSPORTS INC. ARE GETTING INFO OUT ON DOMINATORS TO. R and A IS IN THE SAME BULDING THAT MADE DOMINATORS

I talk to Jeff regularly at work, the guy is a dork for Foxes.

[turbo74pinto]

definately 4 cats. just scraped an old h pipe a few months back. resonators wouldnt pay anywhere near what i got. honey comb gold in all 4 chambers.

[85DOMINATOR/GT]

ARE THEY CALLED PRE/CATS SOMETIMES.

[ScreeminChikin]

ARE THEY CALLED PRE/CATS SOMETIMES.

I have heard them called that but I have no idea what the difference would be.

[FoxChassis]

They've been called:

pre-cats
toeboard converters
light-off converters
converter pre-heaters

Whatever you want to call them, they ARE three-way catalysts. They operate at a lower temperature and are that close to the engine so as to be effective enough until the oxidation catalysts - which are further away from the engine - can start working properly.

[ScreeminChikin]

This thread has gotten stupid......just throwing that out there:mrgreen:

Now lets get back to our regularly scheduled Dominator porn.

[GT350 Dominator]

There is a good photo on capriman86 site, look at his car domain pics under the 20th aviv. GT350 ones, the last photo shows the correct exhaust pics.I always thought the first "thing" was the resinator, and the 'bigger thing" was the cat.

[capriman86]

if your talking about this pic here, it is a 95 H-Pipe

i have always called the smaller ones Pre-Cats
but there are 4 cats total on that pipe.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/2183000-2183999/2183647_15_full.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g47/capriman86/For%20Sale/DSC07098.jpg

[gdniel]

No more dominator pics?

[bluesfannoz]

Have not been here for awhile. I had an 85 Stage 1 Dominator. They came with Hooker Long Tube Headers. As for the B303 Cam. It definetley worked in the 85 carbed Engine because I put it in mine along with a pair of 289 ported heads and an Edelbrock intake in 87. I believe it was offered sometime in 86.

[bluesfannoz]

The following is an email I received from Dave Anderson. The original Builder Hired by Summit Ford to build the Dominators.


Subject: Re: Mustang Dominator GT from Summit Ford



Steve, We built a 302 with forged TRW pistons, Moly rings clevite bearings, a solid camshaft, Large valves & springs, etc. in the heads,double roller timing. At first we were selling the manifold and carb witht he engine but later the dealership just bought the base longblock.



Later when the dealership became worried about the emissions factor and fines they simply put stickers ont he cars and did some minor things and sold cars based on the reputation of the "real" Dominators.



Someplace in the boxes of old records there is probably an invoice listing everything that we did, but I do not have time to dig.



Will tell you a cute story though. Several years after we had done some of the forst engines, I recieved a phone call from a Dr. in overland park. He wanted to know if we were the builders of the Dominator engines. I said yes, and He said I want to tell you something. And then He went on to say he had owned many a foreign sports car including a Porche and the Gt he owned was faster and more fun then any of them. then he wanted to know if we would do a tune up. We don;t do that and directed him to one of our racing customer shop owners who was capable of adjusting solid lifters as well as do the proper tuning. He stayed in touch over the years and a couple of years back sold the car to someone who called and obviously were not too car savvy, so don't know what happened to it beyond that. But the original ownere had it around twenty years. Our intention in building the engine was to improve on the original concept 271 Hspr used in the mustang in 1965. It biggest advantage was the slightly increased compression, larger valves and a solid cam that easily allowed 6500 RPM when you fed it the gas.



Hope that helps a little.



Dave Anderson

[Ken Newman]

:eek:

Wow!! that thing is beautiful!!


X2.....Sweet!

[ScreeminChikin]

I am going to revive this thread because I think it needs updating. Early in the thread there was mention of 1 T-top anny Dominator and a query of weather or not it still exists. I can delightfully say with much certainty that is most definitely does. I met the owner while selling some parts on craigslist. We were talking cars and he mentioned that he had a GT350 dominator that he bought new and had just recently brought out of storage where it had sat since 1988. I steered him and his Son Ryan to this site and invited them to our recent BBQ we had here at my place in KCK. Definately one of the coolest fox cars I have ever seen for me simply because of its oneofakindnest...thata word?.....

Anyhow, here are some pictures I took of the car when Bud and Ryan wereggod enough to bring it out of us to see in person. If the original poster is still listening, we are having another BBQ here in October. How cool would it be to have exactly half of the GT350 Dominators ever built in the same place some 25 years later....just throwin that out there:pimp:

And I might add that if this bitch ever goes up for sale, shes mine...SO BACK OFF!! :mrgreen:

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/7779/dsc02054os8.jpg

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/7883/dsc02033yi7.jpg

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6837/dsc02032pp5.jpg

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/4136/dsc02031pw5.jpg

[slow84lx]

Beautiful!!

Good job and thanks for posting the pics.

[84dominator]

And I might add that if this bitch ever goes up for sale, shes mine...SO BACK OFF!! :mrgreen:

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/7779/dsc02054os8.jpg

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/7883/dsc02033yi7.jpg

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6837/dsc02032pp5.jpg

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/4136/dsc02031pw5.jpg

IF IT (EVER) goes up for sale you'll be the first to know:rolleyes: