ron paul possibly calling it quits

[85 Capri RS]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080307/ap_on_el_pr/paul

[75coug]

:(

[la.fraude]

i hope the GOP nomination goes to convention to decide. I dont want to be at war forever :(, nor do i think our soldier do either.

I voted for paul just last week, and i became a delagate in my precinct. So i am hoping that some how he will get it, or if not this time then next... if there still is an america:/.

either way this is our country. I dont want to sit around while some lying fools sit around in washington killing our country. I've followed Ron Paul for a year or so i guess now and i can see he means what he says. I really have no faith in most any other of the candidates.

[EightySixNotch]

:(

x2 im hungry for change man, what ever happened to low prices and world peace!! sheesh!

[twister]

good, the guy is a racist

[la.fraude]

wait, who is a racist? and if you mean paul, then i wanna see proof

[twister]

listen to his speeches, he uses newspeak racist comments

[795.0pacecar]

listen to his speeches, he uses newspeak racist comments

He doesn't use newspeak, he just out right has made some prejudice remarks. I agree with a lot of his politics but he'd be much better off if he would watch his mouth, especially considering how politically correct everyone is these days.

[la.fraude]

oh? was is actually racist or just not politically correct? i think some of this "political correct" stuff is crap. some stuff i can understand, but it's taken the idea and ran. i think of the episode of south park where Stan's dad said a certain word on wheel of fortune. no, i do not think that word is very nice. but i do think stuff can be classified as sensative words. I always am made to feel bad when i say mexican by some down in texas. Why i dont know. Yes, it can be given negative connotations but it does simply describe one from mexico.

basically i dont think "politically correctness" is always right. Now i cant say i have never heard him be blunt about a topic. atleast with Ron Paul, you know what he thinks about stuff, you gotta give him credit, he isn't beating around the bush. That

[85 Capri RS]

im politically incorrect as i hate being politically correct....

im dizzy now.

[83mustangconv]

being politically correct sucks, being politically correct is what is wrong with this country now. Do whats correct is not politically correct.

[75coug]

good, the guy is a racist

Give me a break, and cite me a quote.

[la.fraude]

same here 75coug. I don't believe he is racist.

oh, and where is Mckinney texas?

[85 Capri RS]

i didnt mean to incite a arguement, i was drunk whn u posted this, and am drunk now.

[75coug]

oh, and where is Mckinney texas?


McKinney is around 30 miles north of Dallas.

[twister]

Quotes from the Ron Paul Report:
“[O]ur country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists—and they can be identified by the color of their skin.”
“I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city [Washington, D.C.] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”
“We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational.”
“The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics.”
“The criminals who terrorize our cities—in riots and on every non-riot day—are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to “fight the power,” and to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible. Anything is justified against ‘The Man.’ And ‘The Woman.’’”
“My friend waved to the tiny [African-American] child, who scowled, stuck out her tongue, and said (somewhat tautologically): “I hate you, white honkey.” And the parents were indulgent. Is any white child taught to hate in this way?” [As a matter of fact, Paul has appeared on a radio program called “The Political Cesspool,” which has featured the neo-Nazi twin pop stars Prussian Blue. –ed.]
“But this is normal, and in fact benign, compared to much of the anti-white ideology in the thoroughly racist black community. The black leadership indoctrinates its followers with phony history and phony theory to bolster its claims of victimology.”
“Korean-Americans, hated by blacks, never riot, and in fact are some of the most productive people in America (the reason for black hatred).”
“The cause of the riots is plain: barbarism. If the barbarians cannot loot sufficiently through legal channels (i.e., the riots being the welfare-state minus the middleman), they resort to illegal ones, to terrorism.”
“We must not kowtow to the street hoodlums and their sanctimonious leaders.”
“Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots.”
“Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country.”
“Blacks have ‘civil rights,’ preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black beauty contests, black TV shows, black TV anchors, black scholarships and colleges, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda.”


Source: The Ron Paul Report, “Los Angeles Racial Terrorism”
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/g/ftp.py?people/g/gannon.dan/1992/gannon.0793

[twister]

"I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

[la.fraude]

for this city, he does have a good case built up. IS it actually racist? i honestly do not think so.

The other day i help a man who had ran out of gas, and yes he was black. Never the less i made no assumptions, i did kind of look him over to make sure he couldnt be hiding weapons (ie baggy clothing) but he wasnt(then again who wouldnt think twice about doing this for ANY person of ANY color), he was dressed nice. So i drive him to the gas station and he gets his gas and i park my car so the headlights provide light for him to put the gas in. His friend walks up and he says hi and thanks me for what i had did. he then offers me weed. I was shocked, this man was actually offering me weed. I had wanted for these people to not fit the sterotype that the general public forms. he lived in a shabby area but i still didnt assume the worst of him. no, thats not what i think true about all the people in that area, but these 2 people i met, one of them i now know is a drug dealer

I feel you needed to add the rest of the quote, the actual redeeming portion to it.
"Many more are going to have difficultly
avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of
actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color
of their skin. This conclusion may not be entirely fair, but it is, for
many, entirely unavoidable."

is it unavoidable? ask your self if the ghettos around you are filled with people that are happy around you. of all the black people in your area, how many are living at your economic status? sadly the numbers are not the same, no where near the same as i can see. who are they going to blame? well liberals make us feel the guilt and offer affirmative action. why blame others? we all do it. We all have some group that is our scapegoat. some blame the illegal immigrants, some blame the middle easter terrorists, idk what else but i am sure there are plenty more(witch hunts, spanish inquisition, japanese in WWII(yeah, we had our own concentration camps), the Jews in Germany). We are PEOPLE, and no one wants the blame.

he cites studies when he says only 5 percent of black people "support the free market,
individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action".

he is not spouting out some racist garble, he gives facts to show these horrible realities. Yes, i could say that is not politically correct, that however makes me more confident that i would want him as our president. Ron Paul is not a racist.

[75coug]

Assuming the accuracy of the quotes provided by Twister, I see a couple of exaggerations (the "95%" comment) and some overgeneralizations, but nothing racist. Making accurate remarks about an uncomfortable situation about which other politicians want to do nothing except throw money hardly makes someone a racist.

Ron Paul's efforts to end the welfare state mentality in this country applies to all races. The decades of government intervention starting with LBJ's ill-named "Great Society" have cost trillions of dollars yet resulted in nothing more than a greater circle of poverty, violence and reliance on a government check than ever. It is time to try something else, like self-reliance and self-accountability.

His is "racism's" definition:

Main Entry:
rac·ism Listen to the pronunciation of racism
Pronunciation:
\ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
Function:
noun
Date:
1933

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
— rac·ist Listen to the pronunciation of racist \-sist also -shist\ noun or adjective

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

I don't any of Ron Paul's alleged remarks that fit this definition.

[75coug]

Twister, do you believe that Barack Obama is a racist too? Check out this tidbit from today's Investor's Business Daily:

Obama embraced more than Christ when he answered the altar call two decades ago at the Trinity United Church of Christ in Southside Chicago. The 8,000-member church describes itself as "unashamedly black" and holds classes in "African-centered Bible study."
He also pledged to honor something called the "Black Value System," a cultlike code of nonbiblical ethics written by blacks for blacks. It preaches a radically exclusive theology that contradicts the tenets of Christianity.

Since we first drew attention to the Afrocentric system more than a year ago ("Obama's Real Faith," Jan. 22, 2007), the church has removed it from the "About Us" page of its Web site, replacing the entire section with a glowing video testimonial from a white official with its parent United Church of Christ.

But according to the original Web page, Trinity puts the "black community" first.

Black members are encouraged to pursue education and skills exclusively to advance their community, and allocate their money exclusively to support "black institutions" and black leaders who "embrace the Black Value System."

In short, it preaches from the gospel of blackness and black power. There's little room for white Christians at Obama's church. It attacks the pursuit of "middleclassness" (code for whiteness), arguing that middleclassness is a conspiracy by white leaders to keep talented African-Americans "captives."

Trinity warns them not to be seduced by it, even though millions of blacks have benefited from homeownership and crime-free suburban living.

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=289784519414202

[83mustangconv]

75coug your right if anybody might be racist it is obama.

[la.fraude]

we are really facing racisim today and it is growing from "black pride", but not just blacks, latinos, hispanics. Basically every non caucasian group is shouting out for pride and respect in word,but just for them. racisim like this is what went on only a few decades ago, just now it is everyone else doing this. to take preference to a certain group whether it be good or bad is prejudice, and deinition of racisim.

[85vert]

Twister, do you believe that Barack Obama is a racist too? Check out this tidbit from today's Investor's Business Daily:

Obama embraced more than Christ when he answered the altar call two decades ago at the Trinity United Church of Christ in Southside Chicago. The 8,000-member church describes itself as "unashamedly black" and holds classes in "African-centered Bible study."
He also pledged to honor something called the "Black Value System," a cultlike code of nonbiblical ethics written by blacks for blacks. It preaches a radically exclusive theology that contradicts the tenets of Christianity.

Since we first drew attention to the Afrocentric system more than a year ago ("Obama's Real Faith," Jan. 22, 2007), the church has removed it from the "About Us" page of its Web site, replacing the entire section with a glowing video testimonial from a white official with its parent United Church of Christ.

But according to the original Web page, Trinity puts the "black community" first.

Black members are encouraged to pursue education and skills exclusively to advance their community, and allocate their money exclusively to support "black institutions" and black leaders who "embrace the Black Value System."

In short, it preaches from the gospel of blackness and black power. There's little room for white Christians at Obama's church. It attacks the pursuit of "middleclassness" (code for whiteness), arguing that middleclassness is a conspiracy by white leaders to keep talented African-Americans "captives."

Trinity warns them not to be seduced by it, even though millions of blacks have benefited from homeownership and crime-free suburban living.

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=289784519414202


Direct quotes from someone vs. the content on a web page for a church the other guy belongs to. People will believe what they believe and twist anything into that belief system.

[fordfreak300]

I have nothing against black people. I am jealous that they get a whole month to celebrate being black, when do my people get a month to celebrate that we are Native American? I am really not jealous, I think it is ridiculous they need a whole month to celebrate the color of their skin. It further segregates people whom claim to want desegregation. I think it should be equal for all races. Not one race getting something special because of the color of their skin.