eBay - 1985 5.0 GT DOMINATOR

[Rbuckley]

Linky (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-1985-5-0-GT-DOMINATOR-MUST-SELL-NO-RESERVE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6236QQhashZitem 110052846773QQihZ001QQitemZ110052846773QQrdZ1)

Dunno if it is an actual Dominator but looks legit. This guys has some misleading (or just plain bad) information about the car though...

The car has a 5.0 liter small block full roller motor V8 that pumped out about 450hp brand new with 10 to 1 completion, a pare of GT40 heads, factory holley 4 barrel carb, long headers, 2-1/2in'' factory dual exhaust with X pipe and a big sloppy cam pushing all that power to the 5 speed manual transmission straight to the locker positive traction rear end, which makes for one competitive car.

Unless Im wrong, I didnt think that ford did that much to the car. ;)

Looks a bit rough, especially since he is claiming its a 27k mile car.

http://i17.ebayimg.com/05/i/08/e7/04/5d_3.JPG

[429bigblock]

ya wow that is in really rough shape, those must have been some intense miles put on it.

[anthonydalrymple]

I suspect 100K more miles than show by the condition. Amazing how much B.S. can be displayed in an e-bay ad....:no:

[FoxChassis]

The car has a 5.0 liter small block full roller motor V8 that pumped out about 450hp brand new with 10 to 1 completion, a pare of GT40 heads, factory holley 4 barrel carb, long headers, 2-1/2in'' factory dual exhaust with X pipe and a big sloppy cam pushing all that power to the 5 speed manual transmission straight to the locker positive traction rear end, which makes for one competitive car.
Unless Im wrong, I didnt think that ford did that much to the car.
The Dominator/GT wasn't a Ford project. All Ford did was produce "stock" '85 GTs that a Kansas City area dealership (Summit Ford in Lee's Summit, Missouri) modified and called them "Dominator". Supposedlty this was from about '83 through about '90.

And no, they didn't have all of those modification from the dealer either. It did not have 450 HP or 10:1 compression. GT-40 heads weren't available from Ford until around '91 so the early Dominator engine didn't have those either. I know X-pipes for Fox Mustangs and Capris don't date back to '85. Long tube headers were a legitimate modification though. The dealer supposedly got in trouble over the exhuast modifications, because they then made the vehicle non-emissions compliant.

[FATHERFORD]

450hp through gt-40's?

[mcb82gt]

26K miles......not. That is not the original cluster I suspect. The dominators had 140 mph speedos. That thing is all beat to hell. I mean, look at the interior, it is totally roached. What an idiot seller, I should call him out on the ebay ad.

Mike

[negusm]

How do we know it is a real Dominator?

[cipher]

WOW did anybody notice the amount of what looks like rust on the carpet in the pic of the glove box? Also can anybody tell me more about the aircleaner mod? Was that a dominator mod or something they did after purchising the car?


Mike J.

[mb84gt]

How do we know it is a real Dominator?

I don't believe there is any way to prove any dominator. The car would have to have a dso of 53 and been sold at summit ford. Supposedly, when summit ford changed hands, they discarded all the old paperwork.

matt

[85CapriGS]

Dominator or not that car is in rough shape. I wouldnt give him much for it at all.

[mb84gt]

The Dominator/GT wasn't a Ford project. All Ford did was produce "stock" '85 GTs that a Kansas City area dealership (Summit Ford in Lee's Summit, Missouri) modified and called them "Dominator". Supposedlty this was from about '83 through about '90.

And no, they didn't have all of those modification from the dealer either. It did not have 450 HP or 10:1 compression. GT-40 heads weren't available from Ford until around '91 so the early Dominator engine didn't have those either. I know X-pipes for Fox Mustangs and Capris don't date back to '85. Long tube headers were a legitimate modification though. The dealer supposedly got in trouble over the exhuast modifications, because they then made the vehicle non-emissions compliant.

My 86 dominator has hooker super comp long tubes. It had a rigged up stock 4 catted H-pipe hooked up to the long tubes. It even had the air tube from the smog pump hooked up. I removed the four cats and had pipes welded in.
I believe the long tubes were on the car when it was sold new. But, there is really no way to prove anything.

matt

[85stanggt]

that's no 26k mile car. Can't believe the stuff that guy wrote in the auction.

[frost_reaver]

I'm gonna call the guy and try to go look at it tomorrow. I'll let you guys know what I find out.

[stormy69]

no one commented on the air cleaner mod?? i like it. did they come that way from summit? where can i get that seal??
James

[capriman86]

no one commented on the air cleaner mod?? i like it. did they come that way from summit? where can i get that seal??
James

I have seen that mod done on a half dozen stangs now :confused:
Wonder if it helps

[mcb82gt]

I have seen that mod done on a half dozen stangs now :confused:
Wonder if it helps

It has to help some......How much, dunno. Probably not enough to justify doing it. They probably did it more just to look different than normal mustangs.

[stormy69]

i have seen plenty of ram air mods done, just never one like that.
James

[frost_reaver]

Nevermind. I'm obviously too stupid to deserve an opinion.

[stormy69]

its easy to play dumb when you are talking to someone face to face. he doesnt say anywhere in his add that he questions the mileage that he himself states as original.
James

[frost_reaver]

nevermind.

[FoxChassis]

Bottom line is the guy doesn't know anything about the car and takes the opportunity "sell the sizzle", or embellish in the truth if you will.

We all know it didn't have 450 HP, a 10:1 CR, and an X-pipe from Summit Ford. And for "maybe" having only 26K miles, it looks pretty rough. My 68K-mile '83 GT from the salt-and-rust upstate NY area was in a helluva lot better shape than that.

[dakota4eyes]

Hi guys.

New member. I am currently the owner of two of the foureyed 'stangs. I have an '86 Black/Tan ragtop with 57,000 REAL miles and it shows. And....

Guess what, new owner of the mustang being discussed in this thread. :eek:

Hear me out. I was fully aware this wasn't a 26k car. I was most interested in a project car for me and my 18 year old son, and we wanted the T-Tops. We, like many stang guys, didn't have a clue about the legitamacy of a "Dominator", and it played little in our decision.

I can tell you, I now have the engine out and have looked the car over. Yes, the interior is in need of restoration, and there is surface rust, but this showed a lot better in person than the pictures did it justice. It is going in for paint in January, and the engine will either be stroked to 347, or I will store it in a corner and have a 347 built for the car.

The T-5 is solid, and the frame is in good shape.

Will post pictures along the way, and it will be kept a Dominator as I have procured the Decals to place back on once it comes out of paint.

In the end, I expect to have over 10k invested in this car, but the memories will be priceless.

Thanks for listening, and would be hopeful for friendly advice from those who still embrace these mustangs!

[stormy69]

that drivers door looked rusted out as well. was it really not as bad as the pics showed?
good luck

[capriman86]

WELCOME aboard!

Do keep us posted on your progress and we LOVE pics.
Please stick around, you will love it here. There is A LOT of valuable info
and a lot of knowledgeable people.

Enjoy your new home.

[mikejb]

WOW I missed this thread. How are the floor pans and rockers?

[dakota4eyes]

Stormy69,

The driver door does have some tiny holes near the lower area. Fortunately, I have an 85 doner car to scavange parts from and if the doors are too bad the ones from the doner will be used. I've already swapped tail light lenses.

It is certainly a project, but that is what we were looking for.

Capriman86, thanks and I look forward to the advice/info.

[dakota4eyes]

Mikejb,

Floors and rockers are solid. Not sure why the door had the surface rust, but from what I can tell looks like rock chips that weren't taken care of.


BTW, here's a picture of the '86. Light isn't the best, but will post more later...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Tibboh/100_9194.jpg

[capriman86]

looks nice definitely take more pics
post her up in our Online Car show section when you get some.

[dakota4eyes]

One other thing of interest when I pulled the motor, the car had a Motorcraft (yes, Motorcraft) rev limiter on the driver side wall. It had a 7000 RPM module in the side. Looked like a precursor to an MSD.

Has anyone seen these in a four eyed mustang? I didn't even know Motorcraft had one.

[FoxChassis]

That ignition module (with built-in soft-touch rev limiter and changeable "pills") is made by MSD for Ford. Kind of the like '83-'85 4V carburetor was made by Holley for Ford. The module was sold through the Ford Motorsport SVO catalog and network of dealers.

[dakota4eyes]

For those who care, here's the condition of the car...

Interior needs a resto, no doubt about it. Seats are out and being recovered, and a new dash pad is on the way. Also, the faded plastic will get a new coat of spray. Carpet is actually pretty good, just dirty (not rust!). The middle column is intact, but the arm rest pad will need replacing. The roof needs a new headliner, and thanks to Foxrestoration it looks like one is coming soon. As with anything this old, all the weatherstripping will be replaced when painted.

The drivers door shows surface rust, but the rockers and floors are extremely solid on both sides. There is some minor suface rust on the driver rear fender well, and some surface rust on the driver rear quarter in front of the wheels.

The hatch area is clean and solid, the front fenders are solid. Both frame rails, behind the each wheel, shows a 4x4 inch area that is soft.

The hood is in great shape, and yes the scoop is functional with the top of the dual snorkle air cleaner mated to it with the rubber gasket that surrounds it to create ram air.

The engine ran fine but did smoke a little. However, I want a 347 in it. Local shop is building it with roller cam, aluminum heads, etc. Expect 350-400 hp at the flywheel, nothing super but should be fun for this light car.

The T-5 seems solid. A new King Cobra clutch kit will go in with the engine. I will be putting in sub-frame connectors, so I'm thankful for the thread in that area to recieve advice from.

Again, I will post pictures of the progress, and Merry Christmas to all!

[ChargedUp!]

For those who care, here's the condition of the car...

Interior needs a resto, no doubt about it. Seats are out and being recovered, and a new dash pad is on the way. Also, the faded plastic will get a new coat of spray. Carpet is actually pretty good, just dirty (not rust!). The middle column is intact, but the arm rest pad will need replacing. The roof needs a new headliner, and thanks to Foxrestoration it looks like one is coming soon. As with anything this old, all the weatherstripping will be replaced when painted.

The drivers door shows surface rust, but the rockers and floors are extremely solid on both sides. There is some minor suface rust on the driver rear fender well, and some surface rust on the driver rear quarter in front of the wheels.

The hatch area is clean and solid, the front fenders are solid. Both frame rails, behind the each wheel, shows a 4x4 inch area that is soft.

The hood is in great shape, and yes the scoop is functional with the top of the dual snorkle air cleaner mated to it with the rubber gasket that surrounds it to create ram air.

The engine ran fine but did smoke a little. However, I want a 347 in it. Local shop is building it with roller cam, aluminum heads, etc. Expect 350-400 hp at the flywheel, nothing super but should be fun for this light car.

The T-5 seems solid. A new King Cobra clutch kit will go in with the engine. I will be putting in sub-frame connectors, so I'm thankful for the thread in that area to recieve advice from.

Again, I will post pictures of the progress, and Merry Christmas to all!

Nice! You should post up pics of the disassembly and the rebuild in the other section of the board!

[mikejb]

For those who care, here's the condition of the car...

Interior needs a resto, no doubt about it. Seats are out and being recovered, and a new dash pad is on the way. Also, the faded plastic will get a new coat of spray. Carpet is actually pretty good, just dirty (not rust!). The middle column is intact, but the arm rest pad will need replacing. The roof needs a new headliner, and thanks to Foxrestoration it looks like one is coming soon. As with anything this old, all the weatherstripping will be replaced when painted.

The drivers door shows surface rust, but the rockers and floors are extremely solid on both sides. There is some minor suface rust on the driver rear fender well, and some surface rust on the driver rear quarter in front of the wheels.

The hatch area is clean and solid, the front fenders are solid. Both frame rails, behind the each wheel, shows a 4x4 inch area that is soft.

The hood is in great shape, and yes the scoop is functional with the top of the dual snorkle air cleaner mated to it with the rubber gasket that surrounds it to create ram air.

The engine ran fine but did smoke a little. However, I want a 347 in it. Local shop is building it with roller cam, aluminum heads, etc. Expect 350-400 hp at the flywheel, nothing super but should be fun for this light car.

The T-5 seems solid. A new King Cobra clutch kit will go in with the engine. I will be putting in sub-frame connectors, so I'm thankful for the thread in that area to recieve advice from.

Again, I will post pictures of the progress, and Merry Christmas to all!

Awsome. With that kinda power your going to get don't forget about the fragile 7.5 and WC T-5. Please keep us posted.

[dakota4eyes]

I understood the '85 T-5 was the first WC. If so, wouldn't it handle up to 400 hp? Been debating the rearend swap with my son. He wants to leave the 7.5 for now, and if it grenades then put in the 8.8

My engine builder says the 7.5 will take the HP as long as you don't go over 500 hp and dont use super sticky tires like slicks.

[FoxChassis]

HP doesn't break things, torque does.

The '85-mid '89 WC T-5 was rated at 265 lbs-ft torque. All '85+ 5.0L engines but the CFI version exceeded that torque rating.

The 7.5" rear was replaced in '86 when the engine then ('86) was producing 200 HP and 285 lbs-ft torque.

[dakota4eyes]

Understood. Are you recommending a post '89 8.8? How are the 8.8's off of say a Bronco II or the like?

[mb84gt]

I think he is recommending any 8.8. The 7.5 will not live long behind a 347. I would save yourself some grief and replace it, instead of waiting for the 7.5 to break.

[FoxChassis]

Since this is the FYI Ads forum, and this thread has gone beyond the intent of this forum, I'm gonna lock this thread and split some of it into one of more threads and place it/them in the appropriate forum(s).