View Full Version : Found a ASC McLaren Capri today 4 sale
TurboN8
08-31-2006, 06:43 PM
Well i was driving around today and i saw a capri sitting in a field with a 4 sale sing in window. Took a look and it says ASC McLaren on the doors and hood. 1985 5.0 5-speed. Car is complete, but the paint is bad and the ground effects are trashed. Don't know what they want yet, but it looks like it sat in a barn the last 2 years. looks like it was dark blue originally and has orange lettering and stripes on the sides. I figured she was a rare one! It is NOT a convertable either! I forgot to get the VIN but i'll get it and maybe you guys can help me find out about it! I'll try to get pics also. I just hope he don't want an arm and a leg for it!! By the way I'm new here, but not new to FOX body's. I own a 1987 turbo 4 cyl notch and just sold my 1986 SVO 2 months ago.
I took these pictures with my cell phone so they aren't the best. There is one of the VIN so if someone wants to verify this is real that would be sweet! It still has the McLaren Horn Pad. What is up with the 165 speedo? i thought they were 140 MPH speedos according to the McLaren site. The guy said he is looking to get $1200 for it so im thinking that means best offer! Let me know what you guys think. The interior is there, but it is kinda rough. seats are good, window reg's have a board on the pass side. there is a dent behind the rear passenger door. I didn't put the picture of the back of the car on here because of the guys TAG number. He said it does Start and Drive and go through the gears, 3rd has a bad synchro he thinks. Tomorrow evening i will meet up with him to hear it run and drive it i guess.
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SchoolBoy
08-31-2006, 08:08 PM
Get in ahold of negusm, he is the resident ASC nut, and he has one!
Good luck, and got worry about the ground affects you can still get them from ASC.....
TurboN8
08-31-2006, 10:12 PM
Updated with pictures!!
Ken P
08-31-2006, 10:21 PM
Thanks for coming over and posting the pics. It looks fairly complete and if it runs and drives the price of $1200 doesn't seem out of line to me. I'm not sure if they came with the ten holes though?
TurboN8
08-31-2006, 10:34 PM
Ya i was wondering the same thing about the 10 holes because i thought they had orange or black rims? anyone that knows Please CHIME IN!!
Razzorr
08-31-2006, 10:44 PM
http://www.ascmclaren.org/
Someone at that place should be able to help you with the VIN.
drquest
08-31-2006, 10:47 PM
Those didn't come with the 10 hole wheels, they did have orange mesh wheels. You might ask the seller if he has the original wheels available.
I'm seriously interested in the car, if you're not. Did you see any rust or other body damage other than the dent and ground effects issues?
Please feel free to PM or email me via the web board.
Danny
Ya i was wondering the same thing about the 10 holes because i thought they had orange or black rims? anyone that knows Please CHIME IN!!
TurboN8
08-31-2006, 10:53 PM
Forgot to mention it does have the ASC McLaren installed option of the Whistler Radar Detector on the Dash. $238.00 option in 1985!!!
hey drquest how do i PM?
drquest
08-31-2006, 11:12 PM
You should have one from me now...
Just click on the name of who you want to PM with.
Danny
Forgot to mention it does have the ASC McLaren installed option of the Whistler Radar Detector on the Dash. $238.00 option in 1985!!!
hey drquest how do i PM?
eric5oh
08-31-2006, 11:13 PM
http://www.ascmclaren.org/
Someone at that place should be able to help you with the VIN.
Come on over to the site. Sandy will have all the info you need. Glad to see another one get saved.
gregpro50
08-31-2006, 11:17 PM
That's the same kind of McLaren that I just bought.
The thing that sucks about the McLarens is that if they are missing the unique parts it can be really expensive to restore it.
Here is a pic of mine:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/2445000-2445999/2445165_3_full.jpg
I don't think the 85 vins got saved so Mike is going to want to add this one I think. The only way to tell if an 85 is an asc is to look at the buck tag, or the DSO, I think. As stated before go to ascmclaren.org and you will get all the info you could ever want. The ground effects and wheels will run a pretty penny unfortunatly.
TurboN8
08-31-2006, 11:34 PM
Where do i look for the buck tag? is it below the radiator? what is DSO, sorry i don't know the identification stuff well yet. I sent sandy and email with the VIN and my phone number so hopefully he helps me out. Thnaks a lot guys. I like to save rare foxes, i had an SVO earlier this year so i know the pain/joy of having a rare one!
SchoolBoy
09-01-2006, 01:14 AM
You might want to run throught this site......
http://www.ascmclaren.com/
The exterior items you need for that car like the front air damb and side skirts can be found here......
http://www.ascmclaren.com/
If it were me I would still be all over it if my buget was big enought
negusm
09-01-2006, 02:21 AM
If the car is accident free...with clear title just hand him $1200. It's worth it. If you wait until the weekend it's probably going to be sold already :eek: .
The 1985 vins are not known. A vindictive bitch at asc shredded them.
The vin does fit into the current list nicely and appears to be in probably the first batch of cars.
Look on the radiator support for TWO metal tags. That's how you will know it is genuine. If they are gone, the car is probably still an asc since it has a 6 digit DSO on the door tag!
ASK the guy what was done to the car! ASK ASK ASK!
What radio does it have? Kenwood or Alpine? asc coupes did NOT get STOCK Ford radios! Or rear speakers! Or rear speaker covers! Subsequent owners TOSS these in the TRASH because they think they are NOT ORIGINAL!
Where are the WHEELS! They probably got bent up at some point but it's cheaper to get them restored than buy new ones.
Does it still have the AIR HORNS?
Here is a check list of items that should be on the car:
http://www.ascmclarencoupe.com/ascParts/
No idea on the speedo...probably added by a previous owner.
-Mike
TurboN8
09-01-2006, 09:39 AM
Does not have a radio in it anymore, I noticed rear Kenwood speaker covers, don't remember looking for the horns. I'll stop by today and check out the rad support and look for horns. Thanks for the Help guys i really appreciate it!
negusm
09-01-2006, 10:26 AM
Does not have a radio in it anymore, I noticed rear Kenwood speaker covers, don't remember looking for the horns. I'll stop by today and check out the rad support and look for horns. Thanks for the Help guys i really appreciate it!
Silly boy! You won't see horns on the radiator support! They are VERY VERY VERY well hidden under the bumper cover! Look on the driver's side front frame rail in the engine compartment for the air horn compressor!
Take a picture of the speaker covers please! They sound ORIGINAL! VERY VERY VERY RARE ITEMS!!!!!!
The radios DO come up once and a while. Your car is not far from mine in VIN so I bet it got the KENWOOD KRC-2001 Cassette radio!
-Mike
TurboN8
09-01-2006, 10:36 AM
LOL! sorry, i meant check the rad support for the build tags and then look around for the horns! I do remember seeing the compressor you speak of, wondering to myself what the hell it was! I'll get more pictures tonight!
TurboN8
09-01-2006, 07:56 PM
I BOUGHT IT!!!
It is a legit ASC it has the radiator support tag. still has both air horns, they dont sound healthy though. Here is the thing. It has an edelbrock performer intake with a holley double pumper carb. I found the numbers on the back of the block, but how do i know if it is the stock motor? The numbers dont match the vin that i can tell. Is that what they should do?? The deck was alpine cassette and the guy said he would try to see if he still has it. The speakers in the rear are pioneers :( and the ones in the back are jensens :( both not stock im guessing. This thing RUNS like a bat out of hell though, and the tranny feels tight, so does the suspension and brakes. very little rust i mean very little! I'm gonna clean it up tomorrow and then ill post more pictures i guess if anyone is interested. The exhaust is all rusted out and hangin down too, but it has the chrome tails still and the rear valence is perfect! all glass is good! well im pretty excited about it (if you can't tell) and i appreciate all the help you guys gave me! I'll be around on this board more often now! -Nathan
gregpro50
09-01-2006, 08:48 PM
Yes more pics.
Thats funny that the only ground effects good on yours is the rear valance and the only thing bad on mine is the rear valance. Hmmmm... Where do you live again ???
negusm
09-01-2006, 09:14 PM
Post the numbers. Sounds like a replacement engine.
-Mike
SchoolBoy
09-02-2006, 11:47 AM
Post the numbers. Sounds like a replacement engine.
-Mike
Mike aren't the 85-86 car fuel injected to, or were some still carbed?
If its not the original, than mybe he can hop it up a bit! ;)
gregpro50
09-02-2006, 12:01 PM
'85 was carbed, '86 was EFI.
The only '85's that had fuel injection was the automatics but they had CFI. I dont think any of the McLaren coupes came with autos but I know the convertibles did.
TurboN8
09-02-2006, 12:33 PM
Yes more pics.
Thats funny that the only ground effects good on yours is the rear valance and the only thing bad on mine is the rear valance. Hmmmm... Where do you live again ???
LOL, I live in Kansas. I really wish i could find a set of the stock style rims. They look awesome!
The # on the back of the block is JX648478
The VIN # is 1MEBP79MXFF607918
The rear gear ratio is 2.73 is that what they came with?
Travis T
09-02-2006, 06:15 PM
The engine has been changed. I'd be suspicious of accident damage, since the stripes are missing from one side.
plumkrazy
09-02-2006, 09:19 PM
Great Find!
Glad to hear that another ASC is saved, I just bought a Silver 85 Grand Prix Capri. The thrill of finding and buying a rare car is So cool!
It's like all the storys you hear and read about. And now you have a story.
Congrats
negusm
09-04-2006, 04:42 PM
'85 was carbed, '86 was EFI.
The only '85's that had fuel injection was the automatics but they had CFI. I dont think any of the McLaren coupes came with autos but I know the convertibles did.
Yeah, that is our understanding. All 85 Coupes came with manuals...hence 4v carbed roller cammed motors.
85 verts came either way but MOSTLY with automatics (maybe all were autos, I'm not sure). The verts were to be cruisers and the coupes were to be racers.
-Mike
negusm
09-04-2006, 04:45 PM
LOL, I live in Kansas. I really wish i could find a set of the stock style rims. They look awesome!
The # on the back of the block is JX648478
The VIN # is 1MEBP79MXFF607918
The rear gear ratio is 2.73 is that what they came with?
Yeah, the engine was swapped....but I would quiz the owner extensively on it. asc was doing some weird things with those engines and rumors say that some "midnight" tuning was done on some of them.
Is this the original owner?
2.73 or 3.08 depending on how asc ordered them. Mine got the 2.73 and many later ones got the 3.08. Why the earlier ones seemed to come with 2.73 is beyond me.
You can buy the wheels from www.ascmclaren.com (http://www.ascmclaren.com). I would ask around for a set somebody may be willing to sell cheap. It's better to buy a used set and get them restored.
Also note, Hank at ascMcLaren.com....will dicker a little on price. Ask him what a FULL set of 4 new wheels will cost. He may charge less than $450 x 4 = $1800.
-Mike
gregpro50
09-04-2006, 04:46 PM
I even saw a 3.8 V6/auto convertible last year for sale in town. I believe it was an '85. I didnt know you could even get one with a six. It was white with blue interior.
negusm
09-04-2006, 05:05 PM
I even saw a 3.8 V6/auto convertible last year for sale in town. I believe it was an '85. I didnt know you could even get one with a six. It was white with blue interior.
1986. 1 of 6 verts made.
http://www.ascmclarencoupe.com/ascLiterature/ascMcLarenBrochures/asc_StartSomething_2.jpg
The Tire Kickers demanded a cheaper car. Like always, the Tire Kickers evaporated even after the car was available.
-Mike
If you are interested I think I have the correct alpine radio, for the car. It's a post style though so it may not be the correct one.
negusm
09-04-2006, 05:16 PM
If you are interested I think I have the correct alpine radio, for the car. It's a post style though so it may not be the correct one.
Post style Alpines are correct for 1985. It was like a 7267 or something slightly different than Alpine 7272.
-Mike
TurboN8
09-05-2006, 09:34 AM
Yeah, the engine was swapped....but I would quiz the owner extensively on it. asc was doing some weird things with those engines and rumors say that some "midnight" tuning was done on some of them.
Is this the original owner?
2.73 or 3.08 depending on how asc ordered them. Mine got the 2.73 and many later ones got the 3.08. Why the earlier ones seemed to come with 2.73 is beyond me.
You can buy the wheels from www.ascmclaren.com (http://www.ascmclaren.com). I would ask around for a set somebody may be willing to sell cheap. It's better to buy a used set and get them restored.
Also note, Hank at ascMcLaren.com....will dicker a little on price. Ask him what a FULL set of 4 new wheels will cost. He may charge less than $450 x 4 = $1800.
-Mike
This was not the original owner, and the guy i got it from knows nothing about it. He had it for 2 years and it pretty much sat. All he really did was save it from an impound yard. $1800 for rims!!! I'll try to find something else! Anyone on this board want to sell theirs?!
"Midnight tuning" huh, well i just hope this block is at least a "roller" block. It runs super strong, and even pulls pretty good for 2.73's.
"Midnight tuning" huh, well i just hope this block is at least a "roller" block. It runs super strong, and even pulls pretty good for 2.73's.
Should be, its an 85 with a manual.
TurboN8
09-06-2006, 10:21 AM
The engine has been changed. I'd be suspicious of accident damage, since the stripes are missing from one side.
As far as accident damage i doubt it! you can see where the stickers were peeled off if you look closely, and the door and front fender are original. On the lift i can't see any unibody damage underneath either!
Kyle, As far as the motor being a roller i said that because as previously stated it isn't the original block.
Travis T
09-06-2006, 12:01 PM
Cool, by the pictures, I couldn't tell if the stickers were peeled off or if the car had been repainted on that side. Looks like a solid project in that case.
81merc
09-06-2006, 12:51 PM
LOL, I live in Kansas. I really wish i could find a set of the stock style rims. They look awesome!
The # on the back of the block is JX648478
The VIN # is 1MEBP79MXFF607918
The rear gear ratio is 2.73 is that what they came with?
According to the numbers on the block, the engine came out of a '88 L/M built at the St. Thomas plant. Unless my book is wrong. '88 means no midnight tuning by asc. Sounds like a straight replacement to me, and probably isn't roller.
Will
TurboN8
09-06-2006, 01:22 PM
According to the numbers on the block, the engine came out of a '88 L/M built at the St. Thomas plant. Unless my book is wrong. '88 means no midnight tuning by asc. Sounds like a straight replacement to me, and probably isn't roller.
Will
Good info! what does L/M mean? Someone once told me all the 5.0 blocks were roller after 1986, but i guess this isn't the case? what all did they come in? Thanks again for the Help guys!
gregpro50
09-06-2006, 01:57 PM
Lincoln Mercury
As far as accident damage i doubt it! you can see where the stickers were peeled off if you look closely, and the door and front fender are original. On the lift i can't see any unibody damage underneath either!
Kyle, As far as the motor being a roller i said that because as previously stated it isn't the original block.
Oh yeah, sorry. I thought all blocks after 86 were roller to, or at least roller ready?
81merc
09-07-2006, 01:17 PM
Good info! what does L/M mean? Someone once told me all the 5.0 blocks were roller after 1986, but i guess this isn't the case? what all did they come in? Thanks again for the Help guys!
Those numbers should be the last 8 of the VIN of the car the engine was originally in. They decode just like a VIN. Year, Assembly, & CUN. L/M is Lincoln/Mercury. After '85 only H.O.s were roller cammed and the blocks were phased in as the stock of nonroller blocks ran out. In '88 it's hit or miss. The easiest way to tell is to pull a pushrod and check its length. Fairly quick and only involves one gasket. Roller pushrods are a decent amount shorter. I think the only L/M products that came with a 5.0L in '88 were the full size cars and the Mark VII (I don't remember what year the Mark VII started, it might be later).
Now, find out what vehicle lines were built at that plant in that year and you'll know what it came out of. Odds are good it was a Grand Marquis or Town Car.
Will
stangmodifier
09-07-2006, 03:32 PM
hey I live about 2 hours north east of you. 1/2 hour east of Salina on I 70. Welcome and congrats on the Mclaren find. I have a couple of 85 Mclarens and have never seen another one around these parts and have been here since 86. As stated above your motor may not be a roller motor but it is roller capable. That quarter panel shouldn't be too hard to fix. If you might want to get rid of it, trade it for a mustang or something let me know.
TurboN8
09-09-2006, 01:28 PM
Cool Man! I'll for sure let you know if i decide to get rid of it! What mustangs do you have?
stangmodifier
09-09-2006, 08:11 PM
Hmm, my current cars are a modified 64 1/2 mustang coupe, a white 85 Mustang LX v-6 vert, a black 85 Mustang GT with T-tops, and a red 89 LX 4 cylinder body, a 64 Ford Falcon with a 302, a 67 Cougar, a 63 Falcon 2 door wagon project, 2 1985 Mclaren Coupes, a 69 Cougar project, and a 83 capri L. You can find pics of most of them at cardomain.com/id/stangmodifier
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