The Saved 2.3 GT350 Anny Update 05 Feb 06

[rnjstel]

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My lovely Super-Mustang wife has assumed the project, she is going to restore it I will just assist.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/rstel/save4.jpg

Of course, it will take some time to be as good as her stable mate but this one will be restored

Her stable mate the 5.0 Anny
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/rstel/IMG_9244.jpg :D

[gregpro50]

Sweet!

Is the car really restorable? It looks like there may be some hideous rust hiding in it.

[capriman86]

very cool....I hope she's restorable....best of luck!

ps how many different wheels were offered with the anny's?

[rnjstel]

Sweet!

Is the car really restorable? It looks like there may be some hideous rust hiding in it.

Surface rust mostly, the car was semi restored (I saw the pics of it from 02) and it still has the Carlilsle Fun Field show pass for the windsheild from 02.

It there, and its fairly complete. That is 1/2 the battle right there.

It is definitely going to need a strip to the Uni-Body for sure.

[rnjstel]

very cool....I hope she's restorable....best of luck!

ps how many different wheels were offered with the anny's?

thats the freaky 83ish T-Bird TRX rim, I allready have one more set of nice TRX rims for the AE without tires

[BladeRunner]

Sweet!

Is the car really restorable? It looks like there may be some hideous rust hiding in it.

Surface rust mostly, the car was semi restored (I saw the pics of it from 02) and it still has the Carlilsle Fun Field show pass for the windsheild from 02.

It there, and its fairly complete. That is 1/2 the battle right there.

It is definitely going to need a strip to the Uni-Body for sure.

Man, what did it look like in '02?? I give you guys alot of credit for taking on projects like this. I would've passed :?

[rnjstel]

Man, what did it look like in '02?? I give you guys alot of credit for taking on projects like this. I would've passed :?

Actually, pretty nice in 02 from the pics I saw. And from the condition allthough looking rough, it is still restorable

Being on of the 300 some odd 2.3 Turbo AE's produced, there was never a question of passing on it!

[GT350R]

Being on of the 300 some odd 2.3 Turbo AE's produced, there was never a question of passing on it!

Not to mention the T-tops. I know I bring it up alot and might sound like I am bragging because I own one, but try to find another.
I know of my 2. This one, Ron Stein's old car in California, and one a girl and her dad restored up in Canada. There were 3 ever registered since the intodution of the Anny registery back in 89 or 90. Who knows if those even exist anymore.

As far as restorable, I remember the car being solid but neglected when Morgon first got it. Too bad he was a little more in love with his 72'ish Mustang then he was with this car. Then again, he also had a GT350 Turbo convertible at his disposal that his friend Gene owned (he owned 2 of them )


Did you meet Gene? I know he had a donkeyload of parts, but was unable to part them out himself anymore. Knowing him could go a long way to restoring the car.

[rnjstel]

Being on of the 300 some odd 2.3 Turbo AE's produced, there was never a question of passing on it!

Not to mention the T-tops. I know I bring it up alot and might sound like I am bragging because I own one, but try to find another.
I know of my 2. This one, Ron Stein's old car in California, and one a girl and her dad restored up in Canada. There were 3 ever registered since the intodution of the Anny registery back in 89 or 90. Who knows if those even exist anymore.

As far as restorable, I remember the car being solid but neglected when Morgon first got it. Too bad he was a little more in love with his 72'ish Mustang then he was with this car. Then again, he also had a GT350 Turbo convertible at his disposal that his friend Gene owned (he owned 2 of them )


Did you meet Gene? I know he had a donkeyload of parts, but was unable to part them out himself anymore. Knowing him could go a long way to restoring the car.

No I did not meet Gene, I understand that he is ill or similar now.

I am going to try if I have time get it fired up today at least and get a better idea of what I have to work with as far as the powertrain goes.

As far as the body, it is pretty much there and not that horrible. The surface rust makes people think its a Junkyard Queen but, below it is the beauty of the car. Who ever the first owner of the car was, optioned the donkey out of this thing:

GT-350 Package
2.3 Turbo Option
TRX Option
Premium Sound W/Remote Amp
T-Tops
Power Window and Lock Group
A/C

I think the only thing missing that it could get would be a Convert.

It no longer has the 7.5 but a 8.8 (big deal I would of changed it over anyway my 5.0 allready had the 8.8) The I/P cluster is missing, Morgan could not find it but will send it me when he does. I was able to get the OE seat with it and the rest of the missing stuff is 5.0 Resto Stuff, Ebay or swap meets.

Once it gets stripped in the spring, I will have a better idea of what im facing. Our primary plan as with the 5.0 Anny is OEM Restoration on the outside, interior etc but what ever performance improvements to the 2.3. I still have a spare Cosworth XR4Ti intercooler (the long flat one) from my sons old Merkur project that seems like it will fit nicely behind the bumper facia between the road lights. I will get some stuff from Eslinger, maybe the new Alloy very nice 2.3 heads that the Merkur Guys at Rapido and Eslinger did. Mostly stuff like that.

Also, which Registry? The only one I am a member of is Scott Moen's Yahoo group. The actual WebSites a old dead sites showing the last updates in 99 and none of the photos work

[slickshift]

It just needs a little looooove
:luv:

[3rdLSC]

:D Nice save. Glad to see it will be put back into shape. To bad it costs so darn much to ship parts. Their is a 83 GT Turbo in one of the local yards that could donate some parts to your new aquire. Sad thing is it is a rust free car :( .

[rnjstel]

Well,

She cranks after playing through some wiring issues the EEC relay kicked and the car came to life.

Best I can figure is only the second stage pump is active, fuel pressure only comes up when cranking. Compression seems to be good, and it seems to be in time.

No spark yet though, either the TFI Module or Stator is down. Also, can not get my NGS to comm with the proccessor. There is a break somewhere in the DLC wiring.

I will pick up the parts during the week, I want to hear it go vroom and atleast make a cursory lap around the block before we strip it down to parade rest

[stangsteve]

Geez, Im glad I dont live on the east coast area, we cut cars like that up all the time down here. hell Ida given you a sweet rust free shell a few months ago with t tops to boot. good luck to ya man, Im curious to see how far the rust goes into that car.

[RichV]

Sweet! Good luck! I hope we don't see it in the parts section next year! :|


Maybe you can park it next to the GT350 stablemate and see if any of the good rubbs off on it! This will be a project, thats for sure.

The other one is a 5.0?

Keep us updated!

[rnjstel]

Geez, Im glad I dont live on the east coast area, we cut cars like that up all the time down here. hell Ida given you a sweet rust free shell a few months ago with t tops to boot. good luck to ya man, Im curious to see how far the rust goes into that car.

Its gonna need floors too but, no big deal

[rnjstel]

Sweet! Good luck! I hope we don't see it in the parts section next year! :|


Maybe you can park it next to the GT350 stablemate and see if any of the good rubbs off on it! This will be a project, thats for sure.

The other one is a 5.0?

Keep us updated!

Never! this one is a keeper and I need to see it through.

Oh yeah and my other one is a 5.0 5spd

[AT6svo]

Congrats on the save!! Glad to see people give these cars the attention they deserve.

I too just saved 1 of the 362 as well. She's a little more shiney than yours but at least your car has all the underhood components intact!

You lucky owner, T-tops indeed!!!

Here's mine. Hope to have her running by April.
http://www.foureyedpride.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=6284

Congrats again, that car has found a great new home!

[rnjstel]

Congrats on the save!! Glad to see people give these cars the attention they deserve.

I too just saved 1 of the 362 as well. She's a little more shiney than yours but at least your car has all the underhood components intact!

You lucky owner, T-tops indeed!!!

Here's mine. Hope to have her running by April.
http://www.foureyedpride.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=6284

Congrats again, that car has found a great new home!

Thanks, your looks very very rust free!

Did you do the 5-lug conversion?

I am so psyched for spring to get here and get started on this car.

[gregpro50]

You may want to review my thread on floor pan replacement because I have a feeling you may be doing the same thing. ;)

A T-top turbo anny should be an awful fun car to drive when done.

[rnjstel]

You may want to review my thread on floor pan replacement because I have a feeling you may be doing the same thing. ;)

A T-top turbo anny should be an awful fun car to drive when done.

I pulled the carpet back and did not realize that Ford offered the optional "Fred Flinstone" braking system in 84!

Only the Drivers Side about midway up the pan from the firewall, go figure that one?? The P/S is fairly clean. Maybe a T-Top drain failure?

Who Knows, it will get a new pan anyway. I needed an excuse to buy a spot welder anyway

[gregpro50]

Actually unbeknownst to many the fred flintstone braking option was very popular for T-top cars.

The drivers side was usually the side to go first due to the driver getting in and out in the winter time. Another think to check for would be a pesky cowl leak.

[GT350R]

Another think to check for would be a pesky cowl leak.

Cowl leak? In a non A/C car, thats called a "right turn". Because right turn, splash.

[AT6svo]

Thanks, your looks very very rust free!

Did you do the 5-lug conversion?



Thanks! Rust free indeed. History I have thus far proves she seems to be a so-cal car her whole life.

Believe it or not, its not a 5 lug conv! The ARE wheels make it look like it from the pic. Still running the stock 4 lug brakes.

Going to powerwash the engine bay today. Its dirty. I noticed a weird box on the PS shocktower that looked like the old Duraspark Ign box. Not sure what it is! My SVO's don't have it!

[rnjstel]

Thanks, your looks very very rust free!

Did you do the 5-lug conversion?



Going to powerwash the engine bay today. Its dirty. I noticed a weird box on the PS shocktower that looked like the old Duraspark Ign box. Not sure what it is! My SVO's don't have it!

Did somebody do the Remote-Mount TFI conversion? There is a wacky box that is a remote heat sink for the TFI module on the 2.3 to protect it from the heat, that kind-of-sorta looks like a duraspark box

[mfpmax]

Think the Duraspark was still installed between 83-84...if not 85. Seen SVO engine bay pictures with duraspark boxes.

[rnjstel]

Think the Duraspark was still installed between 83-84...if not 85. Seen SVO engine bay pictures with duraspark boxes.

Cant be, 84 Turbo 2.3's and CFI 5.0's were the first use of the EEC IV. That would be Thick Film Ignition or the TFI. Durasparks last hoorah was for the 4V 5.0 in 84 and 85(?) (help here 85 owners)

[moelll]

indeed, the '85 GT 5-speed was the swan song for both the duraspark module and the carb.

[mfpmax]

Think the Duraspark was still installed between 83-84...if not 85. Seen SVO engine bay pictures with duraspark boxes.

Cant be, 84 Turbo 2.3's and CFI 5.0's were the first use of the EEC IV. That would be Thick Film Ignition or the TFI. Durasparks last hoorah was for the 4V 5.0 in 84 and 85(?) (help here 85 owners)

Thats what I thought until I saw a few SVO engine bay pics with Durakspark boxes. I'm just as confused as the rest of the class.

[GT350R]

Thats what I thought until I saw a few SVO engine bay pics with Durakspark boxes. I'm just as confused as the rest of the class.

That was actually the 84 -85.5 boost control solinoid. Only found on SVO's as the GT's and TC's could not switch boost levels.

I am curious on what the box is too. I cant think of anything that would be over there.

Of course, it could have gotten the SVO BSC as a mod at some point. Look on the front of the turbo and see if it has just one hose going to the wastegate, or if it has the "T" that goes to the wastegate and the solinoid.

[rnjstel]

We spent the better part of the morning getting her to run, after fixing the rotted wiring (temporary) and replacing the mod and stator it popped to life on its first crank.

My wife was in the cockpit and I was under the hood. Upon ignition, about two of the most p.o.'d mice i had ever seen came running out on the turbo-charger inlet pipe.

My wife took it around the block and I followed but, she would not take it over about 30. She said it was all over the place. I went next:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c261/rstel/turbo35002010.jpg

I went to WOT and damn near yawed it into a tree! The car pitches wildly left then right almost oposite the steering input. I would say the ball joints or inner-tie rod ends are shot, no biggy.

Anyway, missing the gauge cluster but, having a boost gauge I tried another pass, she spools up nice pushes almost 6 psi without pinging (not bad for Sharpie marker timing) and the powertrain, clutch anf gearbox all work pretty well. This thing is a perfect resto-canidate.

We spent the rest of the day cleaning it and of course, had to do the obligatory twin GT-350 photo shoot. My 5.0 about told me to pound salt as it did not want want to be awoken from hibernation but, a little Ether and voila here they are: This is going to be a great project :D

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[GT350R]

WITH UPDATES!

You rule!

[capriman86]

That is so frickin awesome

:woowoo: :woowoo: :woowoo: :woowoo: :evl: :woowoo: :woowoo: :woowoo: :woowoo:


You need to update the subject line.

The Save 2.3 GT350 Anny is home! AND ALIVE !!! WOOOHOOO

[rnjstel]

The Save 2.3 GT350 Anny is home! AND ALIVE !!! WOOOHOOO


You got it!

[rnjstel]

WITH UPDATES!

You rule!

thanks, it was so great hearing it spool up.

[frankiesaysrelax]

Well that didn't take long.

Congrats!

[white1983GT]

Man all this efi turbo talk here lately has me REALLY wanting to try one out,.....too bad they don't exist in my area. Though honestly I know of a 86 SVO that's rotting to death (owner refuses to sell it, nothing was wrong with it when parked, just too old to drive it, too stubborn to sell it) and I've seen a GT 350 vert lately that I think is turbo (small exhaust) just not sure, supposedly was just repoed through bankruptcy....looked pretty run down though

[Hissing Cobra]

That's awesome that you got it running. Good luck on the project and definitely update with more pic's. ;)

[moelll]

awesome man.... i truly dig the two anny's being together

best of luck with this one!

[Travis T]

and I've seen a GT 350 vert lately that I think is turbo (small exhaust) just not sure, supposedly was just repoed through bankruptcy....looked pretty run down though

They have the same exhaust. It should have the hood scoop if it is turbo.

[white1983GT]

and I've seen a GT 350 vert lately that I think is turbo (small exhaust) just not sure, supposedly was just repoed through bankruptcy....looked pretty run down though

They have the same exhaust. It should have the hood scoop if it is turbo.
aftermarket hood, and the exhaust was new, single turn down, looked like what came stock "regular" on 4cylinder cars. I can see no reason to put such a small exhaust on a 5.0, thus my assumption.

[Travis T]

All the Anny cars had the single exhaust with the split chrome tip, just like all of the other 82-84 GTs had.

Seeing these two make me wish I still had the Anny I bought from a junkyard, but it was too far gone to save, though I did try.

[gregpro50]

You even touched up the rust spots with white paint didnt you. :lol:

[rnjstel]

You even touched up the rust spots with white paint didnt you. :lol:


Busted! :o

We used Wesley's Bleach-White to get the Mold off everything and I just could not stand looking at those sad spots all over the hood.

I had a small can of some 9L duplicolor so, what they heck go to town.

It looks good, good from like the Hubble Space Telescope

[capriman86]

It looked good in the pics....I noticed right away...but hell it made a 100% difference......looked like a macco job at least. :lol:

[GT350R]

,.....too bad they don't exist in my area.

Really, the Turbo cars are rare in ANY area. The only time I ever see other ones is a Gators house or at Carlisle.

[gregpro50]

You are just like me. Even if you plan on stripping all the paint off next week you will spend half a day just to make sure everything matches in the meantime.

[rnjstel]

Yeah, its going to be a rotisserie car for sure.

The interior is gutted and the rust is worse than we thought. Around the spare tire well it also shows pretty bad cancer where the pan is joined. I allready bought the floors (we knew that was coming). My barn/shop is getting the new and repaired concrete floors soon. As soon as that is done, it gets stripped to parade rest.

In retrospect if this car was not as significant to Fox history as it is, it would be a parts car for my 5.0 Anny.
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[gregpro50]

Wow she's in pretty rough shape. I thought my '82 was bad once I got into it but yours is much worse. Once you peel up the sound deadening stuff you are going to find much more rust.

I have a solid trunk pan that was left from the donor car that I cut the floor pan from. Its yours if you want to come get it. I was just going to toss it.

[2manycars]

If it were my project, I would strip it to the bare shell, then have it media blasted inside and out, and then work from there.

Too rare of a car not to do it up right.

[capriman86]

whoa
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ummm whoa 8O 8O 8O

I give you credit...more then I would know what to do with

[rnjstel]

Wow she's in pretty rough shape. I thought my '82 was bad once I got into it but yours is much worse. Once you peel up the sound deadening stuff you are going to find much more rust.

I have a solid trunk pan that was left from the donor car that I cut the floor pan from. Its yours if you want to come get it. I was just going to toss it.

Thanks, i appreciate it

I'll let you know, I am thinking maybe to get a southern donor shell maybe.

[rnjstel]

If it were my project, I would strip it to the bare shell, then have it media blasted inside and out, and then work from there.

Too rare of a car not to do it up right.

Yeah, that is what we are going to do. I need the excuse to buy the rotisserie anyway.

As soon as the new floor goes in my barn, We are going to pull it down to a shell and have it blasted.

[rnjstel]

whoa
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ummm whoa 8O 8O 8O

I give you credit...more then I would know what to do with


Naah, I have seen worse. For one of the ultra-rare 2.3 T-Tops AE cars, its worth it.

[2manycars]

Yeah, that is what we are going to do. I need the excuse to buy the rotisserie anyway.

As soon as the new floor goes in my barn, We are going to pull it down to a shell and have it blasted.

Excellant!

Keep posting progress pics. I'd like to see you're progress along the way.

[venom97]

nice ride i just picked one up for a 87 gt rolling chassis that i paid 700 for

[Kevins89notch5.0]

Damn, you're going to fix THAT rust? You have more courage than I do. I wouldn't know where to start. Good luck man.