To Restore or Resto-Mod guide

[79 Road Runner]

Considering the increasing desire to restore the four-eyed Mustangs, I think it would be helpful for some of the more "experienced" owners to post their suggestions and guidelines as to what to do with that old 'Stang.

A lot of attention is drawn to the turbo 4 and v-8 cars, but many of the 6's are falling to the side as they are seemingly less desireable. This is despite the fact that many such cars make excellent daily drivers regardless of performance, which IMHO is why the Mustang thrives today and the Camaro is now a thing of the past.

Many of us have found out firsthand how difficult it can be to find parts (interior or under the hood) for some of these oddball cars. For example, the first half of the 1979 Mustang run used a 2.8L v-6 engine carried over from the Mustang II's before switching to the I-6 and 3.8L v-6. Many of the interior parts are unique to that year and it is very difficult to find a car from that era that has been unmolested.

Would it be better to restore those cars that remain in fairly decent condition and resto-mod as necessary those that fall within a certain range of non-restorability? What distinctions would you make?

*I apologize in advance if this thread seems slightly off-topic for this particular forum. I'd rather see it moved and answered than simply deleted 8)

[79 Road Runner]

Considering the increasing desire to restore the four-eyed Mustangs, I think it would be helpful for some of the more "experienced" owners to post their suggestions and guidelines as to what to do with that old 'Stang.

A lot of attention is drawn to the turbo 4 and v-8 cars, but many of the 6's are falling to the side as they are seemingly less desireable. This is despite the fact that many such cars make excellent daily drivers regardless of performance, which IMHO is why the Mustang thrives today and the Camaro is now a thing of the past.

Many of us have found out firsthand how difficult it can be to find parts (interior or under the hood) for some of these oddball cars. For example, the first half of the 1979 Mustang run used a 2.8L v-6 engine carried over from the Mustang II's before switching to the I-6 and 3.8L v-6. Many of the interior parts are unique to that year and it is very difficult to find a car from that era that has been unmolested.

Would it be better to restore those cars that remain in fairly decent condition and resto-mod as necessary those that fall within a certain range of non-restorability? What distinctions would you make?

*I apologize in advance if this thread seems slightly off-topic for this particular forum. I'd rather see it moved and answered than simply deleted 8)

[evlgt85]

I've only just now taken my first sip of coffee, so forgive me if I am not fully comprehending...

You're wanting input on to what constitutes something that should be preserved and restored and what would be okay to mod a little or a lot? 'Zat right?

Once you've been around long enough, you'll come to find why my morning coffee is as important as it really is. :lol:

Oh, and we're not big deleters around here unless something's flame bait or against the rules or whatever. Things don't disappear without a reason, generally. Unless it's one of those mornings when I haven't had my coffee and I hit the wrong button. 8O

[evlgt85]

I've only just now taken my first sip of coffee, so forgive me if I am not fully comprehending...

You're wanting input on to what constitutes something that should be preserved and restored and what would be okay to mod a little or a lot? 'Zat right?

Once you've been around long enough, you'll come to find why my morning coffee is as important as it really is. :lol:

Oh, and we're not big deleters around here unless something's flame bait or against the rules or whatever. Things don't disappear without a reason, generally. Unless it's one of those mornings when I haven't had my coffee and I hit the wrong button. 8O

[79 Road Runner]

Yeah, I think you've got the gist of it.

I don't think anyone here would want a Turbo GT modified to have a 351w swap, aero nose, fender extensions and a drag bar. That would be *silly.* But there are more less-obvious examples that should be explored, IMO.

A tad open-ended, but I think y'all are up to it.

[79 Road Runner]

Yeah, I think you've got the gist of it.

I don't think anyone here would want a Turbo GT modified to have a 351w swap, aero nose, fender extensions and a drag bar. That would be *silly.* But there are more less-obvious examples that should be explored, IMO.

A tad open-ended, but I think y'all are up to it.

[negusm]

You're just asking for a holy war.

I think swapping the car's identity is the biggest no no. Beyond that its a case by case thing. My list of "don'ts" would get me run off from this site.

-mike

[negusm]

You're just asking for a holy war.

I think swapping the car's identity is the biggest no no. Beyond that its a case by case thing. My list of "don'ts" would get me run off from this site.

-mike

[Evil86lx]

You're just asking for a holy war.

I think swapping the car's identity is the biggest no no. Beyond that its a case by case thing. My list of "don'ts" would get me run off from this site.

-mike

No it wouldnt. We respect your opinion. I may not like it but I will respect it.

kyle

[Evil86lx]

You're just asking for a holy war.

I think swapping the car's identity is the biggest no no. Beyond that its a case by case thing. My list of "don'ts" would get me run off from this site.

-mike

No it wouldnt. We respect your opinion. I may not like it but I will respect it.

kyle

[79 Road Runner]

LOL, maybe I am asking for a holy war... Perhaps a rating system then?

The car can be rated 0 to 5:

0 ... A basket case or rust bucket. Non-restorable. Modify the snot out of it. Or use it as a parts car..

1 ... Fair condition. Common car. Not worth restoring, but could make an excellent hot rod or daily driver. Or a rat trap. Go wild or not at all.

2 ... Good condition. Common car. Restoration is a possibility, but not rewarding. Pre-existing modifications exist. Good basis for a hot rod. Permanent modifications are okay.

3 ... Good condition. No permanent modifications exist, but this type of Mustang is fairly common. Modification or restoration are both good possibilities if done tastefully. Basis for resto-mod, where it's okay to fudge when the parts are hard to come by.

4 ... Not a very rare car, but certainly hard to come by. Modifications are okay, so long as they are limited to things that can be undone, e.g. steering wheels, rims, stereo, fuzzy dice. Restoration makes sense in the long run for this vehicle.

5 ... Very rare car. The only justification for buying it is to restore it or keep it in factory condition.

[EDIT] Oh, and what do you think would fit into those categories?

[79 Road Runner]

LOL, maybe I am asking for a holy war... Perhaps a rating system then?

The car can be rated 0 to 5:

0 ... A basket case or rust bucket. Non-restorable. Modify the snot out of it. Or use it as a parts car..

1 ... Fair condition. Common car. Not worth restoring, but could make an excellent hot rod or daily driver. Or a rat trap. Go wild or not at all.

2 ... Good condition. Common car. Restoration is a possibility, but not rewarding. Pre-existing modifications exist. Good basis for a hot rod. Permanent modifications are okay.

3 ... Good condition. No permanent modifications exist, but this type of Mustang is fairly common. Modification or restoration are both good possibilities if done tastefully. Basis for resto-mod, where it's okay to fudge when the parts are hard to come by.

4 ... Not a very rare car, but certainly hard to come by. Modifications are okay, so long as they are limited to things that can be undone, e.g. steering wheels, rims, stereo, fuzzy dice. Restoration makes sense in the long run for this vehicle.

5 ... Very rare car. The only justification for buying it is to restore it or keep it in factory condition.

[EDIT] Oh, and what do you think would fit into those categories?

[gregpro50]

There are so many variables as far as taste and opinions go that it is impossible to do this. The different people who participate on this forum have tastes that vary over the complete spectrum so its impossible to try to imply any kind of rating system towards any type of car.

I have seen pacecars, SVOs, cobras.... etc all modified to some extent. I have seen people modify an everyday 4cyl hatch into some kind of hideous abomination. I think what it all comes down to is a matter of taste and we are all different and to try to categorize cars into what is OK to do to one is not OK to do to another is asking for 10 pages of heated argument.

[gregpro50]

There are so many variables as far as taste and opinions go that it is impossible to do this. The different people who participate on this forum have tastes that vary over the complete spectrum so its impossible to try to imply any kind of rating system towards any type of car.

I have seen pacecars, SVOs, cobras.... etc all modified to some extent. I have seen people modify an everyday 4cyl hatch into some kind of hideous abomination. I think what it all comes down to is a matter of taste and we are all different and to try to categorize cars into what is OK to do to one is not OK to do to another is asking for 10 pages of heated argument.

[negusm]

You DEFINITELY can NEVER modify ANY 79 coupe with a wheezing 2.8L v-6, rusted out exhuast and virtually destroyed leather seats.

It MUST be put back to 100% bone stock showroom condition! :P

-Mike

[negusm]

You DEFINITELY can NEVER modify ANY 79 coupe with a wheezing 2.8L v-6, rusted out exhuast and virtually destroyed leather seats.

It MUST be put back to 100% bone stock showroom condition! :P

-Mike

[gregpro50]

Here we go.... :roll:

[gregpro50]

Here we go.... :roll:

[79 Road Runner]

LOL

Good to see you're checking up on me!

I already have a fair idea what I want to do with the car... But I thought others could benefit from this discussion, too.

[79 Road Runner]

LOL

Good to see you're checking up on me!

I already have a fair idea what I want to do with the car... But I thought others could benefit from this discussion, too.

[lk4life6969]

personally i say do whatever u have to do to keep it from going to a boneyard. keep it on the road and around for future generations to enjoy. just my 2 cents.

[lk4life6969]

personally i say do whatever u have to do to keep it from going to a boneyard. keep it on the road and around for future generations to enjoy. just my 2 cents.

[V6DR]

You DEFINITELY can NEVER modify ANY 79 coupe with a wheezing 2.8L v-6, rusted out exhuast and virtually destroyed leather seats.

It MUST be put back to 100% bone stock showroom condition! :P

-Mike
amen :!:
oh, wait
you were being sarcastic :?

[V6DR]

You DEFINITELY can NEVER modify ANY 79 coupe with a wheezing 2.8L v-6, rusted out exhuast and virtually destroyed leather seats.

It MUST be put back to 100% bone stock showroom condition! :P

-Mike
amen :!:
oh, wait
you were being sarcastic :?

[Sellis1012]

I think if you have a 79 Cobra you should strip it of all identifying parts, burn them, weld a hillbilly cage in it and take it to demolition night down at the local turn&burn.

[Sellis1012]

I think if you have a 79 Cobra you should strip it of all identifying parts, burn them, weld a hillbilly cage in it and take it to demolition night down at the local turn&burn.

[79 Road Runner]

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[79 Road Runner]

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[evlgt85]

LOL, here, I'll be merciful:

Low-mileage survivors who have made it these 20+ years should be left that way.

EFI 2.3T cars should remain EFI 2.3T cars, their numbers are low and the attrition has been brutal, especially on NON-SVO cars.

Off-the-wall and oddball should be found and preserved as few examples may have been made and fewer still exist ( model year 1982 2.3T cars, for example, or N/A 4 cyl RS and Cobra variants - I've seen RSes but only heard of the Cobras, mind you).

The beaten and bruised can go either way for mods. Both my 85 GT and my 84 Turbo RS have seen rough days, both of them will be modified. However, the GT was born with a carb and with a carb it shall remain. The Turbo RS was born 2.3T and so it shall be forever more.

Anyway, I can get more specific if you'd like, and for the most part, I think the majority would agree with a lot of what I'd list off.

Common sense with a little bit of respect for the breed should be the guide, but that is all quite subjective.

[evlgt85]

LOL, here, I'll be merciful:

Low-mileage survivors who have made it these 20+ years should be left that way.

EFI 2.3T cars should remain EFI 2.3T cars, their numbers are low and the attrition has been brutal, especially on NON-SVO cars.

Off-the-wall and oddball should be found and preserved as few examples may have been made and fewer still exist ( model year 1982 2.3T cars, for example, or N/A 4 cyl RS and Cobra variants - I've seen RSes but only heard of the Cobras, mind you).

The beaten and bruised can go either way for mods. Both my 85 GT and my 84 Turbo RS have seen rough days, both of them will be modified. However, the GT was born with a carb and with a carb it shall remain. The Turbo RS was born 2.3T and so it shall be forever more.

Anyway, I can get more specific if you'd like, and for the most part, I think the majority would agree with a lot of what I'd list off.

Common sense with a little bit of respect for the breed should be the guide, but that is all quite subjective.

[twister]

personally, I think that there is a list that should be made...
1. Any ASC
2. Any Saleen
3. Any pre Ford convertible
4. Any Turbo GT
5. Any stock car under 10,000 miles
6. Crimson Cats
7. Black Magics
8. Any 90 point car
9. A REAL SS
10. Comp prep SVO
11.The 83 Convetible used in Stroker Ace

[twister]

personally, I think that there is a list that should be made...
1. Any ASC
2. Any Saleen
3. Any pre Ford convertible
4. Any Turbo GT
5. Any stock car under 10,000 miles
6. Crimson Cats
7. Black Magics
8. Any 90 point car
9. A REAL SS
10. Comp prep SVO
11.The 83 Convetible used in Stroker Ace

[83rsturbo]

twister you forgot one the RS Turbo

[83rsturbo]

twister you forgot one the RS Turbo

[twister]

twister you forgot one the RS Turbogood call, also add Preditors and Twister II's

[twister]

twister you forgot one the RS Turbogood call, also add Preditors and Twister II's

[gregpro50]

I dont see any reason why you cant modify any of the cars on that list to some extent. But where do you draw the line??

A stock car under 10k miles cant get a cat-back flowmaster set?

A turbo GT cant get an upgraded turbo and exhaust?

You cant put headers on a ASC?

Its pretty hard to define "modify"...

[evlgt85]

It's not hard at all to define modify/modifications: Any alterations from factory are modifications. Now, most of us in the Fox world scoff at those who have mod lists consisting of wiper blades and billet interior pieces and little else as these cars have been so embraced by the aftermarket. But, the fact remains, putting anything on it that didn't come from the factory is a modification of sorts.

This is where you get into "What constitutes low miles?" and other sticky situations.

I think anything under 75k for a 20 year old car is pretty low. That's where I'd draw a wide and fuzzy line for mileage. Anything under 50k is definitely low.

[twister]

Grumpy has a few good points, but if I had my car today with 10,000 miles and it was bone stock, guess what, it still would be bone stock! There has to be a group of car nuts that keep their cars stock to help show how things should be. Is it for everyone? No. Is it for me? It depends, but taking an ASC car with less than 100 made and putting on SN95 brakes and a huffer is not doing a rare car like that justice.

[gregpro50]

Yes but as I mentioned earlier this is where it comes down to taste and personal preference. We can all state out opinions on this subject but after all they are only just opinions.

[gregpro50]

It's not hard at all to define modify/modifications

But some modifications are much more well received than others. Technically a set of fuzzy dice hanging from your mirror is a modification. Painting a black magic purple is a modification.

We can have a 20 page discussion on modification ethics and still not get anywhere.

[79 Road Runner]

Would it appease the masses to add the fuzzy dice when driving around town and take them down when being judged at a car show?

A super-low mileage car should be stock. This is just the opposite in the (cruiser) motorcycle world... But we're talking Mustangs...

But the more mileage a car has, the more likely things are going to wear out and be replaced... like exhuast, radiator hoses, spark plug wires, tires, etc... But mileage shouldn't be the only factor in determining whether a car remains stock, should it?

If I bought one of those pace cars brand new, you bet I'd be driving it regularly! That's what they're meant to do... and I'd leave it bone stock. But with others, so long as you can "go back" I don't see what the problem is.

BTW I like that list...

[79 Road Runner]

Would it appease the masses to add the fuzzy dice when driving around town and take them down when being judged at a car show?

A super-low mileage car should be stock. This is just the opposite in the (cruiser) motorcycle world... But we're talking Mustangs...

But the more mileage a car has, the more likely things are going to wear out and be replaced... like exhuast, radiator hoses, spark plug wires, tires, etc... But mileage shouldn't be the only factor in determining whether a car remains stock, should it?

If I bought one of those pace cars brand new, you bet I'd be driving it regularly! That's what they're meant to do... and I'd leave it bone stock. But with others, so long as you can "go back" I don't see what the problem is.

BTW I like that list...

[gregpro50]

If I was to buy a bone stock '86 GT with 9,000 miles. I would put a flowmaster cat-back system with stainless tips on it. Some would do this and some wouldnt. If its your car its your choice.

Some people think painted on pin-stripes are ugly. Those are definitely a pain to get off to go back to original.

What about putting in subframe connectors on an ASC? Thats definitely a modification and one that is not easily removed.

What modifications are OK to make to a car and what ones arent? Who is the person who determines this? Its the owner of the car IMO.

[gregpro50]

If I was to buy a bone stock '86 GT with 9,000 miles. I would put a flowmaster cat-back system with stainless tips on it. Some would do this and some wouldnt. If its your car its your choice.

Some people think painted on pin-stripes are ugly. Those are definitely a pain to get off to go back to original.

What about putting in subframe connectors on an ASC? Thats definitely a modification and one that is not easily removed.

What modifications are OK to make to a car and what ones arent? Who is the person who determines this? Its the owner of the car IMO.

[mutantcapri1979]

so i have maybe 2 questoins...i thought i checked my vin and thought it was just a base 79 capri then i saw the comments on a 4-cyl capri w/ a RS package? it has a RS interior (I.E. door panels and dash and i know its not hard to swap/ so i will re-check the vin) and its previously modified w/ and 86 stang EFI V8

My 2nd question is if it would piss off the general masses here at 4EP if i took a ASC Vert Capri and got rid of the bubble style bumper and replaced it w/ a 79-82 capri style bumper and tail or a 79 mustangs tails and bumper? tell me but i don't hate the bubble just the tails and bumper!

[mutantcapri1979]

so i have maybe 2 questoins...i thought i checked my vin and thought it was just a base 79 capri then i saw the comments on a 4-cyl capri w/ a RS package? it has a RS interior (I.E. door panels and dash and i know its not hard to swap/ so i will re-check the vin) and its previously modified w/ and 86 stang EFI V8

My 2nd question is if it would piss off the general masses here at 4EP if i took a ASC Vert Capri and got rid of the bubble style bumper and replaced it w/ a 79-82 capri style bumper and tail or a 79 mustangs tails and bumper? tell me but i don't hate the bubble just the tails and bumper!

[Travis T]

LOL

Good to see you're checking up on me!

I already have a fair idea what I want to do with the car... But I thought others could benefit from this discussion, too.

Keep the 2.8, I had a parts car with one of those. If it is a manual, or if you convert it to one, you'd be surprised at what you can get out of that engine. I have a friend who has a 74 Capri (German Ford), and it has that engine as well. With some carefully planned mods, his car has been able to outrun many a 5.0 Mustang.

[Travis T]

LOL

Good to see you're checking up on me!

I already have a fair idea what I want to do with the car... But I thought others could benefit from this discussion, too.

Keep the 2.8, I had a parts car with one of those. If it is a manual, or if you convert it to one, you'd be surprised at what you can get out of that engine. I have a friend who has a 74 Capri (German Ford), and it has that engine as well. With some carefully planned mods, his car has been able to outrun many a 5.0 Mustang.

[Sellis1012]

There has to be a group of car nuts that keep their cars stock to help show how things should be.

My 79 California emissions Turbo Cobra is such a car. I may be the only one who knows you need to read not only the vaccum diagram on the hood, but a diagram out of a non-California emissions Cobra as well because the one on my hood has a discrepancy that if followed, renders the timing retard inoperable. The reason I know that almost put me in therapy.

[Sellis1012]

There has to be a group of car nuts that keep their cars stock to help show how things should be.

My 79 California emissions Turbo Cobra is such a car. I may be the only one who knows you need to read not only the vaccum diagram on the hood, but a diagram out of a non-California emissions Cobra as well because the one on my hood has a discrepancy that if followed, renders the timing retard inoperable. The reason I know that almost put me in therapy.

[79 Road Runner]

Keep the 2.8, I had a parts car with one of those. If it is a manual, or if you convert it to one, you'd be surprised at what you can get out of that engine. I have a friend who has a 74 Capri (German Ford), and it has that engine as well. With some carefully planned mods, his car has been able to outrun many a 5.0 Mustang.

I am planning on keeping the 2.8, though the car has lost enough of its original condition that I could never bring it back 100%... The debate over converting to a manual transmission continues in my head, however. I will probably keep the drivetrain relatively stock, though I may ditch (set aside) some of the broken hardware and pretty up the engine compartment.

I really wanted to keep the interior/exterior as stock as possible, right down to the leather seats and chrome trim, but unless I can find a missing hubcap, the steelies will get replaced with ten holes - the only visible mod not truly necessary to keep the car running. The car should reflect the comfort and class of a Ghia from that era yet provide that same familiarity that has always drawn me to Mustangs. It was a nice car and should be so again.

And living with my current 5.0 with a shift kit has gotten old and my wife refuses to drive with me in that car anymore... :roll:

I've had the notion of doing a tt460 or soemthing wild but it'd have to be in an lincoln mark vii or t-bird/cougar. Besides, if I really want to go fast for cheap, I have my motorcycle which goes sick speeds in nothing flat - stock. :twisted:

[79 Road Runner]

Keep the 2.8, I had a parts car with one of those. If it is a manual, or if you convert it to one, you'd be surprised at what you can get out of that engine. I have a friend who has a 74 Capri (German Ford), and it has that engine as well. With some carefully planned mods, his car has been able to outrun many a 5.0 Mustang.

I am planning on keeping the 2.8, though the car has lost enough of its original condition that I could never bring it back 100%... The debate over converting to a manual transmission continues in my head, however. I will probably keep the drivetrain relatively stock, though I may ditch (set aside) some of the broken hardware and pretty up the engine compartment.

I really wanted to keep the interior/exterior as stock as possible, right down to the leather seats and chrome trim, but unless I can find a missing hubcap, the steelies will get replaced with ten holes - the only visible mod not truly necessary to keep the car running. The car should reflect the comfort and class of a Ghia from that era yet provide that same familiarity that has always drawn me to Mustangs. It was a nice car and should be so again.

And living with my current 5.0 with a shift kit has gotten old and my wife refuses to drive with me in that car anymore... :roll:

I've had the notion of doing a tt460 or soemthing wild but it'd have to be in an lincoln mark vii or t-bird/cougar. Besides, if I really want to go fast for cheap, I have my motorcycle which goes sick speeds in nothing flat - stock. :twisted:

[Travis T]

79 Road Runner, check your pm's.

[Travis T]

79 Road Runner, check your pm's.

[Travis T]

I haven't researched it yet, but I think it would be possible to run a T5 transmission behind your 2.8. Lots of V6 74-79 Mustangs came with the RAD four speed, and a T5 will bolt up to the bellhousing. It probably wouldn't be hard to find a Mustang II that was so equipped. I don't know what if anything you'd have to do about the pilot bearing, I'm not sure if a V8 or four cylinder transmission would work with the stock pilot bearing. I know that on my 2.3 car, I pulled the four speed and a T5 fit right up to the existing flywheel/clutch/bellhousing setup with no modifications.

[Travis T]

I haven't researched it yet, but I think it would be possible to run a T5 transmission behind your 2.8. Lots of V6 74-79 Mustangs came with the RAD four speed, and a T5 will bolt up to the bellhousing. It probably wouldn't be hard to find a Mustang II that was so equipped. I don't know what if anything you'd have to do about the pilot bearing, I'm not sure if a V8 or four cylinder transmission would work with the stock pilot bearing. I know that on my 2.3 car, I pulled the four speed and a T5 fit right up to the existing flywheel/clutch/bellhousing setup with no modifications.

[79 Road Runner]

PM's checked.

My favorite previous cars all had four speed manuals, and I wouldn't mind going that direction again, either. Regardless, if I went to a manual transmission, I'd have to change the flywheel... and while I'm down there I can check out a leak from that area.

If I did an engine rebuild (which is starting to make sense considering the body work, etc.), it would be simple enough to take care of all that while the engine/tranny is out. I'll think about it...

[79 Road Runner]

PM's checked.

My favorite previous cars all had four speed manuals, and I wouldn't mind going that direction again, either. Regardless, if I went to a manual transmission, I'd have to change the flywheel... and while I'm down there I can check out a leak from that area.

If I did an engine rebuild (which is starting to make sense considering the body work, etc.), it would be simple enough to take care of all that while the engine/tranny is out. I'll think about it...

[dburdyshaw]

I think it is awesome the number of you that respect a stock vehicle. Please dont misunderstand me, I think customs are cool ---- and a car should reflect its owners personality ---- but there is just something about a "time capsule vehicle" that is just the best ---- and reading the threads from those of you who seem to feel this way as well is just great!

When I see a vehicle from the 60s -- 70s -- 80s that is mint and original -- my first thought is, "It needs to stay just like that forever." I believe they should be driven and enjoyed -- but taken care of like the piece of artwork that they are.

I received -- back in 1980 -- a 1980 Mustang for a graduation present. I kept it for four years and sold it for more than my mom paid for it. Yes, I should have never sold it -- and I am currently in the midst of a restoration project with a 1980 Mustang that I purchased about a year ago. You will likely begin to see postings from me asking a lot of questions about the project. There are pictures of both vehicles on this site ---- I believe on page 12.

Remember ---- dont crush them ---- save them ---- restore them ---- protect them. (Yeah, I get really into cars.)[/color]

[roush235]

Likewise, I enjoy and appreciate them all, but I am partial to stock condition cars. A related point is that it is often harder to restore a four eye to stock-- many parts no longer exist in respectable condition (anyone seen an automatic shifter bezel in which the rubber insert has NOT turned to goo???). Good luck on your 'stock' restoration work.

[Evil86lx]

Here is something that I really want to do that kinda reflect's some idea's of this thread.

I already have a 2.3t SVO and a single turbo 5.0 Saleen mustang and I want something else that's a little different, fairly quick (sporty) that's make's for a good daily driver.

Bakc in H/S I had my 72 chevelle (lot's of mod's, deep gear's, big stall etc) and I was looking for a good daily driver. I ran accross a yellow RS capri with the straight six and a 4 spd for sale. The car's where still failry new and to much money for my H/S budget. I forget what year it was but it had the square front end and a flat hatch.

I really want another car similar to that one and I already have the mod's figured out.

Keep the straight six and 4spd or switch over to a T-5.
hot rod the sixer with simple mod's, cam, head, intake, carb exhaust.
Simple suspension mod's, frame tie's, spring's, rebuild with good bushing's etc.
5 lug swap with SVO part's and use the tri bar wheel's with hte modded cobra cap to mimic TRX's.
Nice paint with restored exterior and interior.

Put key in igniton.........drive.

What do you guy's think? Pretty crazy or what.

Anyone know what year the car would be? Yellow non bubble Capri RS with the straight six and a 4spd.

I figured it had to be 80 or 81.

kyle

[mcb82gt]

Kyle, sounds like a cool idea, but dont those inline 6's get about the same or worse mileage than the 302? My brother had an inline 6 mustang and the mileage was really bad, like 8-10 mpg. It may have not been in the best of tune though. For some reason I have a hankering for a 80-81 coupe, I should just worry about the junk I have.

[roadburner]

Wow, theres a lot of interesting thoughts/ideas here. Some good points have certainly been made. I have to say this though. I often go to the local Mustang events, NMRA, FFW, and such. When I'm walking through the car show areas, I see modified car after car and they really don't do so much for me anymore. When i happen to stumble accross that completely original non-v8, unmodified, plain jane mustang with what everyone else calls and ugly interior and/or paint color, I tend to stand and stare in awe of such an unusual and nice car. I'd rather see a true 'survivor' car in brown on brown with a 14" whitewalls and hubcaps with 5k original miles than another cookie cutter aero gt/lx with a fiberglass hood, fake cobra R wheels and a polished cold air intake hooked to a cruddy 150k mile motor.

I guess I'm an odd one, since I REALLY like the odd undesireable color interior cars especially. I really have a thing for a 79-82 in the darker blue interior with woodgrain dash trim, vinyl/leather and a 3spoke 'sport' steering wheel. I love the unloved. I actually prefer cars that do NOT have black interiors that everyone else drools on.

To me a 4 or 6 cyl car is just as much fun an an 8.It may not be fast but you can still take it out and carve some back roads with it at an enjoyable pace.

Modifying...thats a tough one, it REALLY depends on the car every time. There really is no good methodology you can follow on what style/year/etc cars should and should not be modified. Desirable doesn't always mean rare and rare isn't always desirable.

One more thing, does anyone else here really have a thing for the early hatchback cars that didn't have any spoiler on the back from the factory? :)

enough rambling for now...

[White86]

Likewise, I enjoy and appreciate them all, but I am partial to stock condition cars. A related point is that it is often harder to restore a four eye to stock-- many parts no longer exist in respectable condition (anyone seen an automatic shifter bezel in which the rubber insert has NOT turned to goo???). Good luck on your 'stock' restoration work.

It's funny, I fixed this years ago and completely forgot about it until you mentioned it. Mine had long since turned to goo, and gone away. I made a new one out of a piece of bicycle inner tube, super glued into place. It's been in there for at least 4-5 years now and still looks great. Easy fix.

Yes I know it's dirty, but I just wated to show a pic of the rubber piece.

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2466/editbezel0gn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[roush235]

Roadburner, I'd be right there with you. I find myself drawn to anything which is stock, odd-colored, non-V8, etc. I like to talk to the owner and find out how and why the car still exists. Most have a story behind them which is more interesting than how someone bought a bunch of parts from vendors to do their modifications.

I'm thinking about cars I liked at the Ford 100th anniversary event in Dearborn in 2003. Examples: green 71 Maverick, bronze 74 Capri, lime gold stripper 68 Falcon, baby blue 72 Torino, various 60's-70's pickups. All in stock condition and great examples of survivors or "light" restorations to stock.

I do like modified cars (I have done several mods to my daily driver Lincoln LS) but in today's world of car shows, the stock cars are more rare, and more interesting to me.

[roush235]

White 86, thanks for the info. I had given up finding an un-gooed bezel and was wondering about a good poorboy fix. Sounds like an upcoming Saturday project.

[79 Road Runner]

Here is something that I really want to do that kinda reflect's some idea's of this thread.

I already have a 2.3t SVO and a single turbo 5.0 Saleen mustang and I want something else that's a little different, fairly quick (sporty) that's make's for a good daily driver.

Bakc in H/S I had my 72 chevelle (lot's of mod's, deep gear's, big stall etc) and I was looking for a good daily driver. I ran accross a yellow RS capri with the straight six and a 4 spd for sale. The car's where still failry new and to much money for my H/S budget. I forget what year it was but it had the square front end and a flat hatch.

I really want another car similar to that one and I already have the mod's figured out.

Keep the straight six and 4spd or switch over to a T-5.
hot rod the sixer with simple mod's, cam, head, intake, carb exhaust.
Simple suspension mod's, frame tie's, spring's, rebuild with good bushing's etc.
5 lug swap with SVO part's and use the tri bar wheel's with hte modded cobra cap to mimic TRX's.
Nice paint with restored exterior and interior.

Put key in igniton.........drive.

What do you guy's think? Pretty crazy or what.

Anyone know what year the car would be? Yellow non bubble Capri RS with the straight six and a 4spd.

I figured it had to be 80 or 81.

kyle

My first Mustang was a 5.0. Sure it was fun but it didn't handle quite the same as that '85 four banger I got later... There's something to be said for the smaller, lighter engines.

And I'm right there with roush235... the v8 cars are getting boring. Whether you mod, "clean up" or simply restore, I think the i6/4 speed is a great combo. Sure you could have the OD of a 5 speed, but 4's are just plain stupid fun!

Having something unique in the crowd of 5.0's gets a lot more respect when you do it with class. I say go for it!

[Evil86lx]

Thanks for the kind word's.

I have never seen one again around here that looked like the one that I almost bought. So finding one may be the hard part.

The wife and I are working on purchasing a bigger house with a bigger garage within the next year or two. As soon as I have the room for it I'm going to start looking for one.

If I can find a nice clean driver that doesn't need much work I will probably go ahead and buy it before the new house. But most of the older fox car's aroud here are either ratted out pos's or already scrapped and off to mustang heaven.

kyle

[roush235]

Thanks to White86 for this tip. This is the bicycle-tube-for-rubber-insert PRNDL repair. Turned out good. Maybe this idea ought to be "parked" in a specific place in the Restoration thread where it can be more easily referenced in the future?

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f202/6roushfan/100_3151.jpg

[93-331-29PSI]

I agree with most, the unmolested should remain that way. The previous owner of my 83Gt Turbo had put an aftermarket cruise control unit in my car which was entirely bolt on, thank goodness, except for the control unit which was epoxied to the turn signal lever. Hopefully the levers are easy enough to find.

I do have to say I like the SN95 brake upgrade and add 13" cobra calipers/rotors and I like it even better. I did this to my 86GT because it is a daily driver and people in Norfolk can't drive, so the added stopping distance is needed. I have considered doing this to the 83 Turbo, but not until I need brakes again (or tires). Don't worry if I do the original parts will go into a crate and be saved so it can be put back to stock by the next owner should I ever part with it.

[MHISSTC]

I ran accross a yellow RS capri with the straight six and a 4 spd for sale. The car's where still failry new and to much money for my H/S budget. I forget what year it was but it had the square front end and a flat hatch.

I really want another car similar to that one...

Anyone know what year the car would be? Yellow non bubble Capri RS with the straight six and a 4spd.

I figured it had to be 80 or 81.

kyle

Your wife is really going to like me for this one...

Guess what I saw parked right next to our van when we came out of the Colby, KS Wal Mart store last Wednesday after we took my daughter to her dance class?

My first reaction was to say "no way" out loud. Then I was embarrased because a girl was in the passenger seat. It was a yellow Capri RS with orange stripes and black interior. It had the turbine hubcaps on the 14 inch steel wheels and I think even the factory rear louvers on the hatch. It looked to be in original and very good condition. I'm not sure about the engine or the transmission. It had a current Thomas County Kansas license plate on it. I didn't go so far as to write down the plate number, although I think you could still track it down by contacting the Thomas County Clerk or Treasurers office.

In my opinion...this particular Capri RS was an excellent "restoration" candidate.

A restoration with a consolation to current consumables and drivability items like belts, hoses, clamps, battery, muffler, shocks and struts, tires, and wheels is what I'm planning for my '85 GS. It will, however, stay CFI with single exhaust and tiny brakes with 7.5" rear, stock interior (including radio) with an eventual repaint back to it's factory tan with red pinstripe and TRX wheels and tires if I can ever find a decent set of wheels and the TRX tire prices ever become reasonable again.

[slow84lx]

This thread is exactly what I've been looking for. I need some opinions on how to go about rebuilding/restomodding my '84 lx coupe. The car came with T-tops, CFI, AOD, 5.0, 7.5 w/quads. I drove it out of the showroom when it was new and it has been owned by myself or my brother ever since. Currently has about 240,000 miles on it with faded paint, tired engine that smokes some, and completely shot AOD in need of rebuilding.

My delimma is this...I really want to keep this car for a long time in the future but it is an extra car and the budget for it is limited. A little more "get up and go" is also a top priortiy. This was my daily driver work car for years and I would like it to be a part time car now but a little more fun to drive. To that end, with the failed tranny and worn out engine in mind, I bought a Mark VIII (for very cheap) with intentions of putting the DOHC 4.6/4R70W in place of the 5.0/AOD. I also have a complete 5-lug SN-95 brake system to upgrade the brakes with including a disk brake 8.8 w/3.73's. I have some 5-lug wheels off an '01 v6 stang that look good with the body style IMO to ride on for a while. I also have a complete dual exhaust system awaiting installation in place of the rusted out single on it now.

Having just read the article on 5.0 Mustangs and Super Fords about the rarity of T-top 5.0 coupes I'm having second thoughts about changing to the modular drivetrain. I've never even seen another T-top 5.0 coupe in person in all of the years that I've owned this car although there are some out there. I don't want to destroy any more originality than necessary although this is a high-mileage car needing some restoration. The production #'s on one website that I've found say that there were 80 silver 5.0 coupes produced in 1984 w/ 5.0. No numbers available for T-tops or automatic.

This will never be a show car but a driver that may possibly get displayed as it gets some restoration. It is more important to me to have a fun driver than remain "restoration stock" so either direction the rebuild goes it will be with some performance related upgrades. I thought that the modular combo would be fun, cool, and different. Also, the entire car only cost me $600 which is much cheaper than I can rebuild/upgrade the AOD for and I've got everything needed except for the k-member. It's like getting the engine and 130+ HP for free!

FWIW...I've been a Mustang guy for 25 years and greatly respect originality. Been working a lot on the G/F's '66 GT lately and it is very nearly "original". Of course, it has a little "get up and go". We plan on keeping it just that way but rebuilding/replacing parts as they are worn out.

Please post your honest opinions without too much flaming. If you don't want to post on here then sent me a PM or email. I didn't really want to start a new thread but if that is needed I'll delete and restart.

[Evil86lx]

I ran accross a yellow RS capri with the straight six and a 4 spd for sale. The car's where still failry new and to much money for my H/S budget. I forget what year it was but it had the square front end and a flat hatch.

I really want another car similar to that one...

Anyone know what year the car would be? Yellow non bubble Capri RS with the straight six and a 4spd.

I figured it had to be 80 or 81.

kyle

Your wife is really going to like me for this one...

Guess what I saw parked right next to our van when we came out of the Colby, KS Wal Mart store last Wednesday after we took my daughter to her dance class?

My first reaction was to say "no way" out loud. Then I was embarrased because a girl was in the passenger seat. It was a yellow Capri RS with orange stripes and black interior. It had the turbine hubcaps on the 14 inch steel wheels and I think even the factory rear louvers on the hatch. It looked to be in original and very good condition. I'm not sure about the engine or the transmission. It had a current Thomas County Kansas license plate on it. I didn't go so far as to write down the plate number, although I think you could still track it down by contacting the Thomas County Clerk or Treasurers office.

In my opinion...this particular Capri RS was an excellent "restoration" candidate.

A restoration with a consolation to current consumables and drivability items like belts, hoses, clamps, battery, muffler, shocks and struts, tires, and wheels is what I'm planning for my '85 GS. It will, however, stay CFI with single exhaust and tiny brakes with 7.5" rear, stock interior (including radio) with an eventual repaint back to it's factory tan with red pinstripe and TRX wheels and tires if I can ever find a decent set of wheels and the TRX tire prices ever become reasonable again.

Sounds just like the one I almost bought 13 years ago. I dont remember what wheels where on it but I doubt they where TRX since most people ditched them for the typical 15 inch wheel.

I would love to have one as a daily driver.

BTW the Cougar should run this weekend/tonight. :D It's even going to have a intercooler bolted onto it. But I wont be functional untill I can find a 87/88 Turbo coupe hood in red.

Then a transco shift kit (20 bucks) and a bigger trans cooler (30 bucks). I'm going to have to put a cat on it (its missing) and being the typical hot rodder I cant just slap a stocker on it so I'm going to do a exhaust frm the turbo back. I just need to find a muf that isnt to loud in 3inch.

kyle

[93-331-29PSI]

This thread is exactly what I've been looking for. I need some opinions on how to go about rebuilding/restomodding my '84 lx coupe. The car came with T-tops, CFI, AOD, 5.0, 7.5 w/quads. I drove it out of the showroom when it was new and it has been owned by myself or my brother ever since. Currently has about 240,000 miles on it with faded paint, tired engine that smokes some, and completely shot AOD in need of rebuilding.

My delimma is this...I really want to keep this car for a long time in the future but it is an extra car and the budget for it is limited. A little more "get up and go" is also a top priortiy. This was my daily driver work car for years and I would like it to be a part time car now but a little more fun to drive. To that end, with the failed tranny and worn out engine in mind, I bought a Mark VIII (for very cheap) with intentions of putting the DOHC 4.6/4R70W in place of the 5.0/AOD. I also have a complete 5-lug SN-95 brake system to upgrade the brakes with including a disk brake 8.8 w/3.73's. I have some 5-lug wheels off an '01 v6 stang that look good with the body style IMO to ride on for a while. I also have a complete dual exhaust system awaiting installation in place of the rusted out single on it now.

Having just read the article on 5.0 Mustangs and Super Fords about the rarity of T-top 5.0 coupes I'm having second thoughts about changing to the modular drivetrain. I've never even seen another T-top 5.0 coupe in person in all of the years that I've owned this car although there are some out there. I don't want to destroy any more originality than necessary although this is a high-mileage car needing some restoration. The production #'s on one website that I've found say that there were 80 silver 5.0 coupes produced in 1984 w/ 5.0. No numbers available for T-tops or automatic.

This will never be a show car but a driver that may possibly get displayed as it gets some restoration. It is more important to me to have a fun driver than remain "restoration stock" so either direction the rebuild goes it will be with some performance related upgrades. I thought that the modular combo would be fun, cool, and different. Also, the entire car only cost me $600 which is much cheaper than I can rebuild/upgrade the AOD for and I've got everything needed except for the k-member. It's like getting the engine and 130+ HP for free!

FWIW...I've been a Mustang guy for 25 years and greatly respect originality. Been working a lot on the G/F's '66 GT lately and it is very nearly "original". Of course, it has a little "get up and go". We plan on keeping it just that way but rebuilding/replacing parts as they are worn out.

Please post your honest opinions without too much flaming. If you don't want to post on here then sent me a PM or email. I didn't really want to start a new thread but if that is needed I'll delete and restart.

Sounds like you have every intention of keeping it, so do with it what makes you feel good. Personally I would restore it to stock, and find another car for the cammer, only because it is uncommon to see these in all original condition. I have a somewhat rare 83 GT Turbo and have tosses the idea of a 5 lug swap, 17 inch wheels, and cobra brakes, but the more I look at it the more I want to keep it how Ford intended it to be.

I have tossed the idea around of a DOHC swap into one of my other 4 eye cars, so much in fact that I have collected an entire 03 Cobra drivetrain (engine w/blower, trans, IRS and wiring harness), but can't bring myself to starting the swap. It takes a ton of work to get that combo working with our gauges/wiring. My advice is to look around on other sites (www.modularfords.com) where that swap is common place and decide for yourself if you want to do it. My plans have changed over time and I am now more thinking of a 331/347 with a pair of 66mm turbos. I will find a use for my collected parts, just don't think it will be a 4 eye that gets it.

[slow84lx]

Thanks for your opinion 93-331. That's exactly what I'm looking for...honest opinions.

There are a couple of stang sites that I know of that have good info on the modular swap...modularford being one. Modularfox is another and of course the corral net. I've done some research and have almost everything needed...just haven't started due to time and the questions listed above.

Really leaning toward doing the mod thing still....just a little leary of making such big changes. The 4,000 lb Lincoln has plenty of go power with this engine....I think it would make the much lighter stang with gears go much quicker. Not to mention the smooth idle and great gas mileage....lincoln currently gets 18-20 around town with a heavy foot pushing it. Stang barely can do that on the highway nowadays.

Change is always inevitable especially when everything on the car needs rebuilding but still a little leary of some of the changing. Dependability is top priority and a look as nearly stock as possible also.

Anyone else?


GREAT WEBSITE BTW! Recently found it from a post in another stang forum and have to say I like the format and content on this one more than any other....Great Information available here and I like seeing the sharing/helping attitudes among fellow Mustang lovers from most of the posts.

[roush235]

My first reaction is -- either way, you will end up saving a four eye, and we need to save as many of them as possible.

My second reaction is -- I'm a stock kind of guy, though I understand and appreciate modified cars. Your car is interesting and rare, especially since it is essentially a one-owner car, and the coupes seem to be getting more attention nowadays. I classify the installation of a mod motor as a radical change, though I will admit I'm impressed with the ones I have seen done (they must take a ton of work). Maybe something less radical could be done to accomplish your goals-- which would also be less on the pocketbook.

My third reaction is -- it's your car, you can do what you want with it.

[Muscle_Cars_Only]

I was planning on leaving my capri stock untill the little voice inside my head took over. Basically I modded it the way I wanted it while keeping the little voice "IN CHECK" Everything I replaced was bolt on and stock parts mothballed.It took me four months to find 4 lug wheels that I liked.I could'nt bring myself to do a 5 lug swap due to more parts bieng stored.Bottom line when it comes to cars-------You own it , Do it the way you want it.If everyone conformed to one standard the cars wouldn't be as much of a part of Americans lives like they are.

We enjoy them an personalize them to be different.My taste might not be what you would choose to do and your taste might not be what I would do. I can look @ a car and not agree what was done to it but respect the time and attention to detail someone has put into it.Although I kinda cringe when I see "CLONES" Don't know why I just do.Maybe because the orig. identity has been erased?

my .02
Dave

[slow84lx]

Thanks for your input guys. It is greatly appreciated and will be taken into consideration.

Jonathan

[79 Road Runner]

My first reaction is -- either way, you will end up saving a four eye, and we need to save as many of them as possible.

My second reaction is -- I'm a stock kind of guy, though I understand and appreciate modified cars. Your car is interesting and rare, especially since it is essentially a one-owner car, and the coupes seem to be getting more attention nowadays. I classify the installation of a mod motor as a radical change, though I will admit I'm impressed with the ones I have seen done (they must take a ton of work). Maybe something less radical could be done to accomplish your goals-- which would also be less on the pocketbook.

My third reaction is -- it's your car, you can do what you want with it.

I've not weighed in for a while now... Accidents happen.

But my initial reaction almost echoed roush235. You're saving a four-eye, but you're also considering changing the engine to a more efficient, more powerful and perhaps even *smoother* ride. Since you'd like this car for more of a daily drive, this could be a very nice mix. Even though the swap is difficult, the permanent mods are limited (correct me if I'm wrong) and if you absolutely had to restore the car later, you could (if you kept the original equipment, etc.) Since your budget is limited and you have many parts for it already - I'd do it if you felt your mechanical skills were up to the task.

The fact that the car has 240k miles on it speaks a lot to me. This car is meant to be driven, regardless of the drivetrain. Since it's not a chop job (I hope) then why not?

I'd compare the cost to finish the job vs. rebuilding what you have and start wieghing the pros and cons from there. Heck, you might come out farther ahead with a more enjoyable ride to work when you're done!