Carbed turbo....79 pace car

[Evil86lx]

Well I just sold my/brother's notch that I was going to V8 swap. After talking with my brother for a little bit he has decided that he DOESE want to sell his pace car. We have negotiated a price and I pretty sure I'm going to take it off of his hands for him.

I pretty much decided that if I get the car that I want to stay with the carb turbo set up.

My dad had a carbed turbo capri back in the day that ran pretty dran good with a few simple mod's done to it.

The plan.

I have a FREE n/a rebuilt 2.3 with 30k on it that I want to toss in the pace car with the pace car's carb turbo set up. The carb turbo set up's run low boost so the stock replacement piston's in the n/a motor should be ok for this build up.

New motor, swap all of the original part's over.
New seal's for the turbo.
RR cam with a rebuilt head.
bigger cross over exhaust
bigger exhaust with hi flow cat and muffler.

5 lug swap with the tri bar 17inch wheel's to mimic the TRX's.
spring's
bushing's
etc.

Carb. Anyone have experience in rejetting the carb or using a different one. If a different carb can anyone recomend one that will work with the stock turbo set up.

Intake. Anyone try to port one? Is there enough meat to port it?

I'm not looking for 400hp or anything that's what the Saleen is for. I really dont want to EFI 2.3t swap it, that's what the SVO is for. I just want to build a old school cool car the way it would have been built 20 year's ago.

My dad's capri was pretty quick. It raped my 91 RS 305 auto camaro and that's about all that I'm looking for.

Please reply if you actually have some good info. I dont care if you think the carb turbo's are crap, please keep those coment's to your self.

I'm pretty excited. I alway's did like doing thing's differently and experimenting with stuff. That and how amny people actually mess around with this stuff.

kyle

[795.0pacecar]

Cool plan. If you need any carbed turbo parts hit me up, I still have most of the crap from my car.

[negusm]

Does the car have the original block in it?

If you're going to keep the car basically stock, why not keep the original block in it. Or will the car never be worth any more down the road with the original block?

-Mike

[Evil86lx]

The original motor is in it but it's shot, I think.

The car smoke's soemthing fierce but I dont know if it's valve seal's, turbo seal's or the short block is toast.

I'll figure it out when I get her home.

Hopefully I can get the car without affecting getting the svo back together.

kyle

[f4fntm]

You already know about turboford.net?

[Travis T]

Does the car have the original block in it?

If you're going to keep the car basically stock, why not keep the original block in it. Or will the car never be worth any more down the road with the original block?

-Mike

I don't think anyone could tell on this particular car, I don't think the 2.3 cars have the VIN number on them.

[negusm]

Does the car have the original block in it?

If you're going to keep the car basically stock, why not keep the original block in it. Or will the car never be worth any more down the road with the original block?

-Mike

I don't think anyone could tell on this particular car, I don't think the 2.3 cars have the VIN number on them.

Every block has a date cast into them. Thats how you tell on the old cars. It's not 100% proof that the engine is original and people do track down correctly date coded blocks for their cars...but since the classics are worth more, its worth doing that.

At one time it wasn't worth the effort at keeping the original engine either and you heard a lot of bellyaching and people trying to scrounge up the correctly coded engines. I just don't want to hear bellyaching from this group 10 years down the road....cause I'm going to say "I tried to tell you."

Who knows? It may pass that the value of the original engine is not very important ever. It seems even many classic cars getting "restored" are losing their power plants in favor of newer roller motors, etc.

-Mike

[Travis T]

Yeah, I know they have date codes, but the V8 Mustangs have a partial VIN on their blocks - that's why I'm saving my original engine after I finish my Explorer swap. I don't think it will ever matter on a 2.3 carbed turbo car though, 2.3s are plentiful and it would probably be easy to find one with a date code that would work if it ever became a problem later.

[Evil86lx]

I looked at Brian's old it motor and was just date stamped (2.3).

Would a 2 1/4 or 2 inch cross over pipe work or would that be to big..

kyle

[Evil86lx]

You already know about turboford.net?

yep been there done that.

I already did alot of searching but most of the older member's that used to play with this set up are no onger member's of turboford.

I was hoping to find a old timer that remember's doing this stuff back in the day. I want to be era correct in the mod's to the car. Kinda like pretend it's 1980 again so I can duplicate the mod's that would have been done to such a car.

I know it sounds silly but I have a vision of what I want the car to be.

kyle

[negusm]

2.3s are plentiful and it would probably be easy to find one with a date code that would work if it ever became a problem later.

Its funny how the most common things now are the toughest to locate later ;)

-Mike

[mfpmax]

You may have to hit up some Pinto forums since some people are running those aftermarket draw-thru carb setups on their 2.0 Pintos.

[Boss 429]

Quote:"I was hoping to find a old timer that remember's doing this stuff back in the day. I want to be era correct in the mod's to the car. Kinda like pretend it's 1980 again so I can duplicate the mod's that would have been done to such a car."
As a Speed Shop owner here, I can tell you: When you try to run the Carbed, pistons with a Turbo setup,it didnt seem to work,I saw alot of people (We used to rebuild alot of1979- 1980 turbo 2.3L's)try that for various reasons with poor results. If you want it to live,please order the correct pistons.(they are lower compression)
Gregg/Ohio

[frankiesaysrelax]

Sounds like fun. :)

One thing I'd be worried about, the early carbed turbos used oval port heads while the later NA turbos used D port heads. So the intake manifold from the turbo engine might not fit right on the D port heads. Also, the combustion chambers are a different shape and I believe the exhaust valves are made of a different material to take the heat.

[Evil86lx]

Carbed turbo piston's are 9.1

EFI turbo pistons are 8.1 .

I really doubt that the carb turbo set up would ever see more than 10 psi.

And I will be watching the A/F ratio's.

kyle

[Chuck W]

There's not an issue with using the EFI intakes on the oval port heads....works just fine on my TBird.


I was running about 13# of boost on my carbed turbo Pace Car. It's been about 5 years since I had the car, but might remember a couple things here and there.

Chuck

[mfpmax]

Sounds like fun. :)

One thing I'd be worried about, the early carbed turbos used oval port heads while the later NA turbos used D port heads. So the intake manifold from the turbo engine might not fit right on the D port heads. Also, the combustion chambers are a different shape and I believe the exhaust valves are made of a different material to take the heat.

Chuck W already answered half, but I believe if the head is Oval port, it has D shaped chambers and not the later N/A heart shaped.

[eric5oh]

Tell you what, if this IS going to happen, I'll donate a set of clean tribars to the build.

[frankiesaysrelax]

Sounds like fun. :)

One thing I'd be worried about, the early carbed turbos used oval port heads while the later NA turbos used D port heads. So the intake manifold from the turbo engine might not fit right on the D port heads. Also, the combustion chambers are a different shape and I believe the exhaust valves are made of a different material to take the heat.

Chuck W already answered half, but I believe if the head is Oval port, it has D shaped chambers and not the later N/A heart shaped.

I could check easily enough, a buddy of mine has a 30k mile '79 turbo head sitting in our parts storage van.

[mfpmax]

Do so. Looking into those heads but I check the junkyards for Pre-Mustang stuff like the Pintos.

[Evil86lx]

Tell you what, if this IS going to happen, I'll donate a set of clean tribars to the build.

Deal.

I'll post pics as soon as it's in my garage.

kyle

[Evil86lx]

There's not an issue with using the EFI intakes on the oval port heads....works just fine on my TBird.


I was running about 13# of boost on my carbed turbo Pace Car. It's been about 5 years since I had the car, but might remember a couple things here and there.

Chuck

Let's here about it. :D

I did a bunch of searching at turboford to get a few idea's. But I would love to hear some one with first hand experience.

kyle

[Chuck W]

Well, here's what remember.

Exhaust. It was using one of the cast iron Ranger or EFI Mustang "header" manifolds, but if I was doing it again I would try to make a tubular one work. The X-over pipe keep at no more than 2 1/4". The exhaust on the car was as I got it with a 3" DP (VERY TIGHT FIT) that was split with one of those Flowmaster Y's into 2 1/2" duals.

Intake- mild porting

Fuel system - Was running one of the low-pressure intank pumps (the "lift" pumps used on the 2-pump systems). Self-regulating (at least it appeared to be). Stock carb. I thought about getting one of the 2bbl Holleys, but never got around to it.

Running 12-13# boost. I was never 100% happy with the carb set-up though. Sometimes you'd get into it and it would rattle like a can of marbles and then others it would do fine. Also, driving it is nothing like the EFI turbo cars. If you wanted boost, your foot had to be in it.

When it was running well it ran well. The guy who bought it from me wound up running it down the strip a few times and it ran 14.20's IIRC...so it wasn't too shabby.

If I had kept the car it was going to get an EFI conversion and perhaps even an auto (the ex was driving it), but again I sold it before I got around to doing it.

[Evil86lx]

Thanks for the info Chuck.

kyle

[frankiesaysrelax]

Can you use a 350 CFM Holley on that setup? What about aftermarket intake manifolds?

The early setup was draw-though, correct? I'm thinking you could go blow through using and E6 exhaust manifold and a 350 Holley mounted on an Offy intake. That sounds like it would make a lot more power than the stock setup, and spool faster to boot.

[Chuck W]

You have to do some mods, but yeah, you can use that small holley 2bbl.

Some folks also use the EFI "square" lower intake and mod it to accept a small 4bbl or adapt it to a std holley 2bbl and do it as a blow-through set-up. You can't use the carb turbo intake if you want to change to from draw to blow.

[frankiesaysrelax]

Do so. Looking into those heads but I check the junkyards for Pre-Mustang stuff like the Pintos.

You got it. I'll snap some photos. He also has an Offenhauser intake for the same heads and I have a 350 Holley that looks new but has obviously been sitting around for a few years. I was supposed to eBay them all at the same time, along with the flywheel, clutch, and RAD bellhousing that you can use to eliminate the stupid dogbone setup on a 4cyl T5.

[Evil86lx]

I need that bellhousing. :D

kyle

[Evil86lx]

I need that bellhousing. :D

kyle

[frankiesaysrelax]

I need that bellhousing. :D

kyle

Don't you already have one on the pace car? Or are you talking about the SVO?

[frankiesaysrelax]

I need that bellhousing. :D

kyle

Don't you already have one on the pace car? Or are you talking about the SVO?

[Evil86lx]

SVO.

I REALLY HATE THAT FRICKIN DOG BONE PIECE OF POO POO CABLE.

kyle

[Evil86lx]

SVO.

I REALLY HATE THAT FRICKIN DOG BONE PIECE OF POO POO CABLE.

kyle

[frankiesaysrelax]

Do so. Looking into those heads but I check the junkyards for Pre-Mustang stuff like the Pintos.

You got it. I'll snap some photos. He also has an Offenhauser intake for the same heads and I have a 350 Holley that looks new but has obviously been sitting around for a few years. I was supposed to eBay them all at the same time, along with the flywheel, clutch, and RAD bellhousing that you can use to eliminate the stupid dogbone setup on a 4cyl T5.

Ok, here is a pic of the head. It came off of a '79 Turbo engine that was freshly rebuilt but never fired up. The turbo setup had been ditched in favor of an Offy intake, the stock 2V progressive carb, and a long-tube header.

We pulled this setup out and had it running in my buddy's '82 notch as part of an intermediary transition from 4cyl auto to 4cyl stick to 351W stick. The turbo 4 RAD-Y 4 speed tranny didn't like the V8 much, it lasted 3 weeks.

Anyway, check out this head and let me know what you think. My buddy put about 30-40k on this setup before the 351W went in. I thought it was the original turbo head but maybe the rebuilders exchanged it. I looked for a casting number and the best I could find was a big E1Z followed by what looked like another tiny z. Combustion chambers are D shaped and the intake ports are oval.

http://www.v8guy.com//merchandise/2.3T%20parts/head2.jpg

[frankiesaysrelax]

Do so. Looking into those heads but I check the junkyards for Pre-Mustang stuff like the Pintos.

You got it. I'll snap some photos. He also has an Offenhauser intake for the same heads and I have a 350 Holley that looks new but has obviously been sitting around for a few years. I was supposed to eBay them all at the same time, along with the flywheel, clutch, and RAD bellhousing that you can use to eliminate the stupid dogbone setup on a 4cyl T5.

Ok, here is a pic of the head. It came off of a '79 Turbo engine that was freshly rebuilt but never fired up. The turbo setup had been ditched in favor of an Offy intake, the stock 2V progressive carb, and a long-tube header.

We pulled this setup out and had it running in my buddy's '82 notch as part of an intermediary transition from 4cyl auto to 4cyl stick to 351W stick. The turbo 4 RAD-Y 4 speed tranny didn't like the V8 much, it lasted 3 weeks.

Anyway, check out this head and let me know what you think. My buddy put about 30-40k on this setup before the 351W went in. I thought it was the original turbo head but maybe the rebuilders exchanged it. I looked for a casting number and the best I could find was a big E1Z followed by what looked like another tiny z. Combustion chambers are D shaped and the intake ports are oval.

http://www.v8guy.com//merchandise/2.3T%20parts/head2.jpg

[frankiesaysrelax]

Kyle, what are your thoughts on a blow-through setup. Your turbo would spool a lot faster being right on the manifold, and then you could even add a nice front-mount intercooler, plus ditch the crappy Ford intake and carb. :twisted:

[frankiesaysrelax]

Kyle, what are your thoughts on a blow-through setup. Your turbo would spool a lot faster being right on the manifold, and then you could even add a nice front-mount intercooler, plus ditch the crappy Ford intake and carb. :twisted:

[Evil86lx]

Kyle, what are your thoughts on a blow-through setup. Your turbo would spool a lot faster being right on the manifold, and then you could even add a nice front-mount intercooler, plus ditch the crappy Ford intake and carb. :twisted:

I actually ran a blow through set up on my 85 GT. Procharger P1SC intercooled with a Holley 650 DP. It was OK. If I decide that I dont like the Drw through idea I will prob go EFI 2.3t.

Lot's of good info and idea's in this thread. When I get the car home I will have a better idea of what's going on.

The dilema..........
I have enough part's laying around to go either...
EFI 5.0
EFI 2.3t
or mess with the stock draw through set up.

I love haveing option's.

kyle

[Evil86lx]

Kyle, what are your thoughts on a blow-through setup. Your turbo would spool a lot faster being right on the manifold, and then you could even add a nice front-mount intercooler, plus ditch the crappy Ford intake and carb. :twisted:

I actually ran a blow through set up on my 85 GT. Procharger P1SC intercooled with a Holley 650 DP. It was OK. If I decide that I dont like the Drw through idea I will prob go EFI 2.3t.

Lot's of good info and idea's in this thread. When I get the car home I will have a better idea of what's going on.

The dilema..........
I have enough part's laying around to go either...
EFI 5.0
EFI 2.3t
or mess with the stock draw through set up.

I love haveing option's.

kyle

[Chuck W]

If I can find it, somewhere I have an old Super Ford article on a 2.3T Pace Car. The guy had concocted up some odd drawthrough set-up. Kind of an inspiration at the time for me, so I saved the article (and mag) somewhere.

[Chuck W]

If I can find it, somewhere I have an old Super Ford article on a 2.3T Pace Car. The guy had concocted up some odd drawthrough set-up. Kind of an inspiration at the time for me, so I saved the article (and mag) somewhere.