Mulling over turbo 4cyl foureye build.....

[anthonydalrymple]

I'm not yet ready to do anything & wondered what combination for a quick turbo four Capri\Mustang I should look for? I'm not primarily looking to buy exactly what I want; I can just as easily put it together as time allows. For example: if '86 Turbo motor \ computer \ etc is considered to be the best examples to start with; then i could look for the necissary parts \ motor to swap into a clean '79-'86 Capri \ Mustang.

The plan is for a reliable daily driver that has some snappyness to it; but still gets good gas mileage. I may be asking for too much; you tell me.... It will not be a dedicated drag car nor a gas guzzling hot rod. I just don't want it to get run over by idiotic kids in Honda's.....;)

[Evil86lx]

Ok.

Engine's. 84-88 2.3t block's/head's are basicly the same. 84-86 T bird non intercooled, Merkur non intercooled, 83-84 GT turbo and Capri RS turbo non intercooled. SVO's and 87/88 T bird's are intercooled. 87/88 T bird's use the IHI turbo while all other's use the Garret T3.

The T3 is preffered over the IHI but the IHI will work.

ECU's. The most popular and easiest to attain are the LA3's from the 87/88 Tbird. I believe that you can also use the LA2 but the LA3 is the best.
To run a LA3 you need a ACT sensor. The 87/88 Tirb's have one but the other's dont.
The SVO PE processor is also good but nearly impossible to find and if you do they sell for upward's of 300 bone's

Squirter's. Brown top 35's. Most commonly found on the 87/88 Tbird.

87-89 4cyl car's are really frickin easy to do this swap to. Basicly you need to move 3-4 wire's around in the ECU and that's it.

Obviously you would need to make/install a new harness on a four eye car.

Example. My SVO with a few simple mod's knock's down 22+ mpg in city driveing and ran a best of (at 6k feet) 15.01 @ 94 with 2.1-2.0 60ft's.

MODS. These are the most common mod's out there and have been done to my SVO.
LA3, 35's, Tbird intercooler, 3inch exhaust, magnaflow cat and muff, 255 pump, Ranger roller cam (dont like it) AFPR, and 17psi (stock is 15)

Intercooler. A really popular way to go is with a Isuzu NPR (light duty comercial truck). You need a different radiator to make it fit but they fit right behind the bumper. A guy by the name of Stinger is making ready to go intercooler pipe's for the NPR.

Anymore ?'s.

kyle

[Evil86lx]

oop's forgot a few thing's.

Turbo. The non intercooled car's use a different compressor housing that can be dificult to adapt to a intercooler.

kyle

[Aku_81]

Do you know ford sierra cosworth? 2-litre cosworth engine with turbo and intercooler and allready 200 horsepower, that would be good engine if you can find one.

[Hooptie]

ah the twin cam 2 lite cossie.

Neat cars, people turn Xr4Tis into Cossie replicas over here.

[futurexdesign]

It really depends on what you let dictate your swap.. you can either let avaiablity dictate what happens, or you can let a clear view and vision drive what happens .

Motor wise...

Direct copy from what I wrote on the subject in the past:

All numbers expressed as HP:Tourqe

SVO

1984: 175:210
1985: 175:210
1985.5: 205:248
1986: 200:240

Turbo Coupe (Cougar XR7)

1983: 145:180
1984: 145:180
1985: 155:180
1986: 155:180
1987: 190:240
1988: 190:240

GT Turbo/RS Turbo

1983: 145:180
1984: 145:180


Merkur XR4Ti

1984: 175:195
1985: 175:195
1986: 175:195
1987: 175:195
1988: 175:195
1989: 175:195


All engines post 85.5 have 35# low impeadance injectors compared to the early cars 30# injectors.

To get gas to the front use an mustang EFI tank, and a pre 87 EFI sending unit. Gas lines use an 87-91(ish?) four banger lines. You can either fab up a fuel pump harness, or rip one out of an injected car. the engine wiring harness just has like 3 connections needed to get the car to run.

Power wise, all the engines are the same fundimentaly. early cars have an inline intake and smaller injectors but can be swapped. the power diffrences are from boostlevels and computer/vam combo's. my car is currently running on 88 TC computer/vam and its quick.

Simplest mods are K&N, exhasut, and of couse, boost controller. If you can, an intercooler always helps.


Your choise of starting engines isnt going to be the life or death of the project. any real diffrence is that anything post 85.5 will have a new style intake, and Browntop intectors.

These motors from the factory lived and died power wise by the mapping of the EEC. All those diffrent power numbers are almost all achived through diffrent EEC tunes. As stated before the 88 Stick Shift TC EEC (LA3) is favorite for a number of reasons.. One of which being it is set up for an Intercooler , which makes life easier in the long run. Another being that it uses a faster internal processor, which leads to much better idle, and response to input. (Having driven my dads 83 RS Turbo... you can totaly tell the diffrence the electronics makes.. his motor reacts like a second behind you :lol: ).

Electronics is really what will make or break the whole project. there is no real bolt in way to do it. You have to either make an entire new harness or adapt one to fit. The Merkur harness is the favoite for this becuase of its standalone properties. Fox harnesses use the engine harness for part of the Power Distribution.. so they are more tied in, but since your installing into a Fox.. those problems are eliminated anyway, as it plus in.

Changes come when you try to tie in the ignition start run feeds and such. Diffrent connectors are used in a TurboCoipe/XR7 and thats where you need to start looking into how to tie in.

If you find an SVO/GT Turbo/RS Turbo that harness should be a no brainer to install, with all the same connectors.. but the chances of finding one that usable (Specialy SVO harnesses as they are the equivalt of the human torch for some reason) is slim to none.. more than likely you will find yourself using a TC harness.. as TC's are EVERYWHERE.

You will have to fab up a fuel pump harness as well, (no brainer right?) but if your looking at a swap like this im sure you already knew that.

Upgrade wise.. these things respond well to almost anything you can think of.

[Chuck W]

Pay a visit to TURBOFORD (www.turboford.org) and do some reading and poking around. That is THE place for the Ford 2.3T. If it's been done to a 2.3T, it's been done there. I've had 6-7 turbofords....they're fun ;)

[evlgt85]

Please do not take this the wrong way, but....

What good would this, or any tech board be if all we did was refer folks elsewhere?

I have learned a lot at TurboFord myself, absolutely, however, we've got a lot of 2.3T folks here, and I'd like to encourage more to come and join and share their knowledge here on this board. I do not want to see this board be like every other Fox-type board and have it be overrun with V8 tech with everyone else left out in the cold (especially given the variety of engines used from 79-86). Telling people to go elsewhere for anything other than V8 tech will do just that.

I'm good with seeing links to specific threads that help out with someone's questions, but the knee-jerk response to just post a link to TurboFord every time someone posts anything to do with 2.3Ts is not going to help increase the knowledge base of this board.

I am absolutely NOT anti TF.org by any means, but I'd like to see threads like this get answered in-house as much as possible.


Anyway,

Here's a shopping list of goodies and other info regarding 2.3T goodies:

http://www.foureyedpride.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8704

[mfpmax]

Turbos break stuff.

[FoxChassis]

Then the broke stuff was weaksauce to begin with. :P

[mfpmax]

Then the broke stuff was weaksauce to begin with. :P

Well thats the clutch, T5, axle, 8.8...

[Evil86lx]

Then the broke stuff was weaksauce to begin with. :P

Well thats the clutch, T5, axle, 8.8...

Head gasket's and 7.5's oh my.

kyle

[Chuck W]

Please do not take this the wrong way, but....

What good would this, or any tech board be if all we did was refer folks elsewhere?

I have learned a lot at TurboFord myself, absolutely, however, we've got a lot of 2.3T folks here, and I'd like to encourage more to come and join and share their knowledge here on this board. I do not want to see this board be like every other Fox-type board and have it be overrun with V8 tech with everyone else left out in the cold (especially given the variety of engines used from 79-86). Telling people to go elsewhere for anything other than V8 tech will do just that.

I'm good with seeing links to specific threads that help out with someone's questions, but the knee-jerk response to just post a link to TurboFord every time someone posts anything to do with 2.3Ts is not going to help increase the knowledge base of this board.

I am absolutely NOT anti TF.org by any means, but I'd like to see threads like this get answered in-house as much as possible.


Anyway,

Here's a shopping list of goodies and other info regarding 2.3T goodies:

http://www.foureyedpride.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8704

Well, I understand your point, and if he had asked a more specific question than "tell me what's best" he would have gotten a more specific answer (at least from me). Regardless of the info base here...TF is the source IMO.
Anyway, you're the boss, so sorry to have stepped on toes. I'll just limit my responses to more specific questions. I'll go back and hide in the "Other Four-eyes" section now. :P

[mfpmax]

Then the broke stuff was weaksauce to begin with. :P

Well thats the clutch, T5, axle, 8.8...

Head gasket's and 7.5's oh my.

kyle

Those break without the aid of a turbo.

[Evil86lx]

Then the broke stuff was weaksauce to begin with. :P

Well thats the clutch, T5, axle, 8.8...

Head gasket's and 7.5's oh my.

kyle

Those break without the aid of a turbo.

but... The turbo makes the carnage so much more fun.

kyle

[mfpmax]

but... The turbo makes the carnage so much more fun.

kyle

It didn't...it really didn't.

[GT350R]

Save a turbo GT while your at it

:)

As far as gas mileage and power go. I have not figured it out, but I would bet my Grey GT still gets 25+ average.

Also many neat little projects you could do. Like wiring up a SVO or Turbo Coupe boost control solinoid (BCS) . Then you can have a switchable boost/octane/timing switch. So cheapo pump gas for the commute, and race fuel for the weekend.

[GT350R]

Save a turbo GT while your at it

:)

As far as gas mileage and power go. I have not figured it out, but I would bet my Grey GT still gets 25+ average.

Also many neat little projects you could do. Like wiring up a SVO or Turbo Coupe boost control solinoid (BCS) . Then you can have a switchable boost/octane/timing switch. So cheapo pump gas for the commute, and race fuel for the weekend.

[anthonydalrymple]

My thanks to all whom have responded; I appreciate the info(it was far more than I expected). I can't imagine ever owning a Honda & I just paid $3.30+ a gallon for premium yesterday... :roll:

[anthonydalrymple]

My thanks to all whom have responded; I appreciate the info(it was far more than I expected). I can't imagine ever owning a Honda & I just paid $3.30+ a gallon for premium yesterday... :roll:

[merkerguitars]

And to think when i was 17 I owned a rotted out 88 turbocoupe with about 60,000 original miles on it and I got rid of it cause of a leaky fuel tank :(.

I remember reading a website about a kid with a turbo 4 cylinder mustang and did all this custom fabbing like his own intercooler and he was going to try to put a volvo head on it anyone have the link for the website?

[merkerguitars]

And to think when i was 17 I owned a rotted out 88 turbocoupe with about 60,000 original miles on it and I got rid of it cause of a leaky fuel tank :(.

I remember reading a website about a kid with a turbo 4 cylinder mustang and did all this custom fabbing like his own intercooler and he was going to try to put a volvo head on it anyone have the link for the website?

[GT350R]

That was MikeSVOR.

I dont have the link anymore. He hates me :D

[GT350R]

That was MikeSVOR.

I dont have the link anymore. He hates me :D

[mfpmax]

That was MikeSVOR.

I dont have the link anymore. He hates me :D

No

I hate you

http://www.msvorinich.itgo.com/

[mfpmax]

That was MikeSVOR.

I dont have the link anymore. He hates me :D

No

I hate you

http://www.msvorinich.itgo.com/

[v8only]

here is a great starting point

Description — $2,000, MERCURY 1982 CAPRI RS 118k mi, $2,000, must see, V8 5.0, 4 Spd. (619)575-1934

would be funny, you'd have to pull the v8 and drop in the 4.

though you could likely get a junkyard capri that hasn't been stripped yet for nearly nothing. A capri buildup sure would be cool.

[v8only]

here is a great starting point

Description — $2,000, MERCURY 1982 CAPRI RS 118k mi, $2,000, must see, V8 5.0, 4 Spd. (619)575-1934

would be funny, you'd have to pull the v8 and drop in the 4.

though you could likely get a junkyard capri that hasn't been stripped yet for nearly nothing. A capri buildup sure would be cool.

[anthonydalrymple]

Well.... The idea of doing the 4cyl turbo build might stay an idea for longer than I imagined. It was highly dependant on a prspective new job that's now in the toilet......

[anthonydalrymple]

Well.... The idea of doing the 4cyl turbo build might stay an idea for longer than I imagined. It was highly dependant on a prspective new job that's now in the toilet......

[v8only]

that really blows. I"m sorry to hear that. It sounded like it was nearly a go.

[v8only]

that really blows. I"m sorry to hear that. It sounded like it was nearly a go.

[FoxChassis]

here is a great starting point

Description — $2,000, MERCURY 1982 CAPRI RS 118k mi, $2,000, must see, V8 5.0, 4 Spd. (619)575-1934

would be funny, you'd have to pull the v8 and drop in the 4.

though you could likely get a junkyard capri that hasn't been stripped yet for nearly nothing. A capri buildup sure would be cool.
Why would you do that when you can buy an RS Turbo for the same price?...

http://www.foureyedpride.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=21447

[FoxChassis]

here is a great starting point

Description — $2,000, MERCURY 1982 CAPRI RS 118k mi, $2,000, must see, V8 5.0, 4 Spd. (619)575-1934

would be funny, you'd have to pull the v8 and drop in the 4.

though you could likely get a junkyard capri that hasn't been stripped yet for nearly nothing. A capri buildup sure would be cool.
Why would you do that when you can buy an RS Turbo for the same price?...

http://www.foureyedpride.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=21447

[anthonydalrymple]

Why would you do that when you can buy an RS Turbo for the same price?...


Yes.... I would if one is available at the right time....;)

[anthonydalrymple]

Why would you do that when you can buy an RS Turbo for the same price?...


Yes.... I would if one is available at the right time....;)

[v8only]

TONY, look at the fyi section, I posted an 86 svo for $750.

[v8only]

TONY, look at the fyi section, I posted an 86 svo for $750.