ebay hell again screw ebay

[81 pony]

i bid on a couple of fenders 1 actually....2 if i wanted .anyway there local about 20 min away...they demand 30.00 shipping to my house.when my 4cyl can get there for 4.00...all i want is the molding from them...the fenders look bad there listing says nothing about no local pickup.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=7966375947&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT

[v8only]

You weren't screwed, imo. This is a question that you must ask before you bid. It would be wrong to just assume that a seller would be ok with you picking up in person. For them, especially if they are a big ebayer or a business, it could be a pain in the ass to stop and meet you somewhere, or some people may just not want strangers picking stuff up from their personal homes. You've also got to consider, that they are likely packed, boxed, and ready to go, and just waiting for a ups pickup, easily convienant for him. He also could be charging a "handling" fee which is perfectly acceptable too.

As a seller, (and a buyer) just trying to give you some insight, and tips for further dealings. I love ebay.

[81 pony]

i know all that its my fault i sent them 5 emails asking if i could they wouldnt answer ...until it ended

[v8only]

i know all that its my fault i sent them 5 emails asking if i could they wouldnt answer ...until it ended

leave them neutral feedback (if you part arrives as described) and state no/bad communication.

[GT350R]

You need to just start asking me where the parts are.

Did you ever get the black 85-86 LX nose i told you about?

I would say you could grab the mouldings off of it too, but then I realized you were looking for an 85-86 nose, but want 79-84 mouldings?

[81 pony]

i sai d i would take that 1 off the guy at the corral if he was gonna change to aero.....my 93 has a bad front i would put it on....i need the moldings for the 81

[frankiesaysrelax]

i know all that its my fault i sent them 5 emails asking if i could they wouldnt answer ...until it ended

Then you shouldn't have bid.

If the seller won't bother to answer my questions I don't buy from them.

[f4fntm]

Uh... I call bullsh!t. It's the seller's responsibility to list all details and conditions of the transaction. And they didn't.

What if it's "inconvenient" or they're worried about serial killers who prey on eBay junk sellers? :roll: Their problem. How 'bout this much more likely scenario: they're scam-runners who don't want anyone to find out where they're hiding.

IMHO: For $30? Insist on local pickup or no sale. Don't let the SOB jam you up when you can get the parts elsewhere. :dnthum:

[frankiesaysrelax]

What if it's "inconvenient" or they're worried about serial killers who prey on eBay junk sellers? :roll: Their problem.

No, that's YOUR problem.

It is rude to assume that someone has nothing better to do than sit around and wait for you to show up to pick up your part. Or that you have the right to invite yourself over their house.

If you didn't get permission to pick up the part PRIOR to auction close, you have absolutely no right whatsoever to insist that you be allowed to pick up an item in person.

[anthonydalrymple]

What if it's "inconvenient" or they're worried about serial killers who prey on eBay junk sellers? :roll: Their problem.

No, that's YOUR problem.

It is rude to assume that someone has nothing better to do than sit around and wait for you to show up to pick up your part. Or that you have the right to invite yourself over their house.

If you didn't get permission to pick up the part PRIOR to auction close, you have absolutely no right whatsoever to insist that you be allowed to pick up an item in person.

I agree. Nicely written I might add...;)

[fordguy]

how about this one. i bought a dash harness off ebay for a 93 mustang. seller says it's in good useable condition with no cut wires. gets to my house, cut wires everywhere and a burnt plug, and it was an 87-89 harness. email seller and he says ship it back for a refund of the auction price only, no shipping(or return shipping) or he can send me another one after he gets this one back, but i have to pay for shipping again. i chucked it in the trash. why should i pay shipping on something 3 times? the seller was onebad93lx. great buisiness man

[v8only]

Fordguy, he posts here regulary. WHile I don't know him personally, i've never heard anything negative about him. Perhaps pm him or send him another email. I'm sure you could work something out. However, now that the piece is in the trash, it's lost.

He deals with a LOT of mustang parts from what I've seen and heard. While it's no excuse, sounds like a mistake to me. Just a guess.

[fordguy]

mistakes happen, i understand that. but he wanted me to pay shipping on the same thing 3 times for his mistake. i've emailed back and forth and he states shipping refunds are not part of his policy. oh well, i already got another one.

[MA84LX]

i know all that its my fault i sent them 5 emails asking if i could they wouldnt answer ...until it ended

Then you shouldn't have bid.

If the seller won't bother to answer my questions I don't buy from them.


I agree with this statement.. I always e-mail the seller 1st with any questions. And no matter what the question is, if I don't get a response I won't bid. Don't care if I need the item or just want it.

[f4fntm]

No, that's YOUR problem.
It's a problem for me that they have a phobia? :?

If you mean the shipping thing is my problem, how so? All I have to do is not send the money. No problem. Seller has to pay fees and relist item. His problem. He should've listed conditions in the auction.

It's simple, gentlemen: The seller is responsible for listing the terms of the transaction. Failure to do so is grounds for the buyer to refuse payment.

[frankiesaysrelax]

No, that's YOUR problem.
It's a problem for me that they have a phobia? :?

If you mean the shipping thing is my problem, how so? All I have to do is not send the money. No problem. Seller has to pay fees and relist item. His problem. He should've listed conditions in the auction.

It's simple, gentlemen: The seller is responsible for listing the terms of the transaction. Failure to do so is grounds for the buyer to refuse payment.

The seller did list the terms, shipping is $30. Does it say anywhere that you can pick it up yourself, no it doesn't. It is simple, comply with the terms of the auction. You bid, pay the shipping. You have absolutely no grounds whatsoever to refuse payment. :roll:

[81 pony]

yes but ebay is siding with them....to be nice they should put it in there....but they dont have to

[Capri50]

No, that's YOUR problem.
It's a problem for me that they have a phobia? :?

If you mean the shipping thing is my problem, how so? All I have to do is not send the money. No problem. Seller has to pay fees and relist item. His problem. He should've listed conditions in the auction.

It's simple, gentlemen: The seller is responsible for listing the terms of the transaction. Failure to do so is grounds for the buyer to refuse payment.

The seller did list the terms, shipping is $30. Does it say anywhere that you can pick it up yourself, no it doesn't. It is simple, comply with the terms of the auction. You bid, pay the shipping. You have absolutely no grounds whatsoever to refuse payment. :roll:

I agree here 100%. This doesn't have to be stated in the auction. This seller DID specify the shipping terms, and if some other arrangement isn't made ahead of time, then tough luck. Don't bid.

By bidding, you are agreeing to THEIR terms, not yours.

To not pay because the seller doesn't bow down to your terms is flat out wrong.

[f4fntm]

Well, it's been a very interesting thread, and obviously no one is changing their mind. A couple parting shots:

1) So eBay sided with the seller. eBay, indeed! Who is eBay to decide?. Sellers pay fees, buyers do not, and eBay is a for-profit venture - 'nuff said.

2) Take a deep breath. Now then... why is it necessary that a guy who agreed to buy an inexpensive item pay triple it's cost in shipping, when he can simply stop by and pick it up? Is that so wrong? Why would anyone insist on jamming the guy for $30 shipping on a $10 item?

Witholding payment isn't wrong - it's often a buyer's only recourse in the face of mistreatment. Uncommunicative, unreasonable, and misleading sellers are wrong.

[anthonydalrymple]

First off; the seller did no wrong. The seller, if notified in advance of the auction close, has the option to deal with local pickup or not. It's the seller's choice; period. You don't like it? Don't bid. You don't get a response in an attempt to work something out with the seller on something you desire? Don't bid or take the chance of being forced to pay the shipping or other "undesirable charges". Simple as that.....

Secondly, E-Bay will alway's side with the seller as long as the seller was not intentionally trying to mis-represent the product or services offered. The seller information is right there in front of ebay & the potential buyer to peruse & see every detail. What ebay can "see" regarding a bidder is only the fact that he bid on the item & possibly any questions he may have posted to the seller. Buyer's intent, wishes, & thoughts are not verifiable; nor can they be proven....

Well, it's been a very interesting thread, and obviously no one is changing their mind. A couple parting shots:

1) So eBay sided with the seller. eBay, indeed! Who is eBay to decide?. Sellers pay fees, buyers do not, and eBay is a for-profit venture - 'nuff said.

2) Take a deep breath. Now then... why is it necessary that a guy who agreed to buy an inexpensive item pay triple it's cost in shipping, when he can simply stop by and pick it up? Is that so wrong? Why would anyone insist on jamming the guy for $30 shipping on a $10 item?

Witholding payment isn't wrong - it's often a buyer's only recourse in the face of mistreatment. Uncommunicative, unreasonable, and misleading sellers are wrong.

[Capri50]

1) So eBay sided with the seller. eBay, indeed! Who is eBay to decide?. Sellers pay fees, buyers do not, and eBay is a for-profit venture - 'nuff said.

2) Take a deep breath. Now then... why is it necessary that a guy who agreed to buy an inexpensive item pay triple it's cost in shipping, when he can simply stop by and pick it up? Is that so wrong? Why would anyone insist on jamming the guy for $30 shipping on a $10 item?

Witholding payment isn't wrong - it's often a buyer's only recourse in the face of mistreatment. Uncommunicative, unreasonable, and misleading sellers are wrong.

Ebay will side with whoever is RIGHT. I have seen sellers get kicked off for schill bidding, false advertising, misleading people, etc.

in this particular case, the advertising clearly specified the shipping terms. There is no room for interpretation. $30 for shipping, Take it, or leave it, just like every other auction out there. Show us all the auctions where people say 'NO PICKUP' in the shipping terms. So every seller on ebay is so-called 'misleading, unreasonable', etc ?

The buyer here sent 5 emails and didn't get a response for whatever reason. So you don't bid on items from this seller. end of story!

Don't bid, contractually agree to the terms, and then act like the seller is a jerk for not letting you pick it up. It's not like the guy said in an email 'Sure come pick it up, no problem', then back peddled after the auction was over.

Ebay class 101, read the stated terms, don't assume anything. If you don't agree, ask questions. If they don't respond, then don't bid.

[frankiesaysrelax]

Don't bid, contractually agree to the terms, and then act like the seller is a jerk for not letting you pick it up.

Couldn't have said it better myself. :)

The whole "You didn't say I couldn't so I can" argument just doesn't fly. That's something that little kids try to pull when they get in trouble. :lol:

[anthonydalrymple]

Don't bid, contractually agree to the terms, and then act like the seller is a jerk for not letting you pick it up.

Couldn't have said it better myself. :)
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True.... If you had posted this immediately? This would have been a "1 or 2 post response" thread..... ;)

[anthonydalrymple]

Don't bid, contractually agree to the terms, and then act like the seller is a jerk for not letting you pick it up.

Couldn't have said it better myself. :)


True.... If you had posted this immediately? This would have been a "1 or 2 post response" thread..... ;)

[frankiesaysrelax]

Ok, well now that that is settled, I will add that it does suck that the seller won't let you pick the fenders and save the $30. However he (or she) is under no obligation to do so. What I would do in this situation is paypal the seller the $10 and ask them nicely to cram the fender up their bootyhole, uhhmm I mean throw it in the trash. No shipping necessary for that. :lol:

The lesson to be learned from all of this is to ask question first, and if you don't get a response or don't agree with the response, DON'T BID.

[81 pony]

i have been schooled 8O ....a lesson learned and still 100% feedback