Who has replaced their lovered qtr windows with later model?

[83gt5.0]

I replaced mine a while back with the glass 87-93 versions. I love that newer lok. Anyways, I noticed the other day, that after being in storage for so long, my windows are leaking pretty damn bad. The both of them are. What did you guys do to prevent/fix this?

[BetterDays]

I am going through this conversion now...

A lot of Butyl (window sealer) should cure the trick....

[myler]

i did the same thing on my car as well. when i put the new windows in i got some of that 3m stuf that comes rolled up and you pull it off the paper and put it all the way around your window right on the outside where it meets the car. there is no way that it will ever leak with that stuff in there, and they deffinatly will never come out.

[Zap's 85 GT]

What did you use to seal it? I used a roll of butyl (rope like tar stuff) from Autozone for like $6. Thats the stuff they used to install windshields with.

[myler]

What did you use to seal it? I used a roll of butyl (rope like tar stuff) from Autozone for like $6. Thats the stuff they used to install windshields with.

yea thats what i used as well. didn't know what it was called.

[noslofiveoh]

yes, that is called butyl tape...and is a good fix, however it does not dry, so theres always the chance it could pop out if u were to push on the window from the inside...when i get around to doing mine, i will use a 3m product called superfast urethane

[myler]

yes, that is called butyl tape...and is a good fix, however it does not dry, so theres always the chance it could pop out if u were to push on the window from the inside...when i get around to doing mine, i will use a 3m product called superfast urethane

well i was assuming that one would secure it on the inside with the screws. the tape is just for sealing purposes.

[85 Notchback]

I would think all the bolts holding the glass in would keep the tape from moving :?:

[noslofiveoh]

ahh...my appologies fellas, i thought they were glued in like the windshields...ya learn something everyday lol

[85 Notchback]

heh, no theres about 6 bolts or something like that holding the windows in. I have pictures of mine since my interior panels are still off.

[BetterDays]

heh, no theres about 6 bolts or something like that holding the windows in. I have pictures of mine since my interior panels are still off.

Try 12-16 per side!

many that you cannot easily see!

[billkandi]

I did the window swap on my 86 GT (now sold) and the biggest problem I had was getting the old windows out. One of them was REALLY in and I broke it and cut myself in the process. Not all the studs on the newer glass have a hole to secure the nut on. On those I just put on the nut on and put a dab of weatherstrip glue to keep it from vibrating loose. Also, to really finish this swap, use the newer plastic interior panels because the new glass is further to outside of the body than the older stuff and a sizable gap will be between the glass and plastic. Another point to mention is the upper seatbelt attachment bolt on the older cars is a touch shorter than the 87+. This causes a bit of a bind and won't let the seatbelt retract properly if you use the newer interior panel. One of the screws that secures the new panel doesn't line up with the hole in the body. I mean the hole behind the door opening about 10 inches or so from the bottom. The cargo cover is narrower on the newer stuff. This sounds like a pain, but it's not bad. I had no idea when I did it, so I had to cuss and wonder for a bit before I fingered it all out. Hope this helps.

Bill

[86gt40]

I did this swap on a 79 Cobra about ten years ago. The only thing that's really a problem is that the metal molding that runs along the top of the 79-86 quarter glass has to be cut in order to fit the 87-93 glass. Never looked quite right IMO. My current 86 is keeping the stock stuff. In retrospect, it looks great; and you just do not see many clean 79-86 cars on the road anymore. Keeping mine externally original as possible, except for a monochrome paint job. Sail panels, 86 tails, and of course the front bumper cover will remain.

[billkandi]

Oh yeah, forgot about that part. That trim is held on by clips to the pinch weld. The piece runs from near the hatch to the outside mirror. It does just pull off, though. It has a sticky grease/glue that gets all over things, so break out the rags and wipe. :roll: I got the pieces that go on the 87+ and just clipped it back on. Fits the same way, just not as big.

[85 Notchback]

heh, no theres about 6 bolts or something like that holding the windows in. I have pictures of mine since my interior panels are still off.

Try 12-16 per side!

many that you cannot easily see!

I never installed them, I don't care! I can only see 6, so I'm missing 6 more somewhere haha! I'll look next time I go inside the car..

[86gt40]

I got the pieces that go on the 87+ and just clipped it back on. Fits the same way, just not as big.

Hmm....never even thought of that. Now you're making me think of making my 4-eye just a little bit less so....lol. No need to paint sail panels and window moldings.....hmmm..../me thinks....

[Matt]

wife gave the go ahead on the swap. You can see the drivers side mocked upto test fit and finish.

http://img183.exs.cx/img183/3961/windowfitment4zn.jpg

in this you can see the limits of the stock panel, and the stud you see continues all around the inside of the window. I debating welding in some sheet to make attaching points.

[twister]

I just used SVO sail panels

[Matt]

I found some 87+ panels but I'm a bit uncomfortable wit the window just hanging there.

[85 Notchback]

I remember a while back someone posted on a sail panel delete. Someone remove their sails and filled the hole with bondo or something. It looked really good, real clean.... Someone do a search in the "Online Car Show" I'm uber lazy tonight...

[Myersracing]

This upgrade is fun it takes a while but if done correctly is smooth sailing the only thing is if you don't use the outer trim from an 87+ it kind of looks funny. I need to replace the trim and actualy need to take the 1/4's back out and replace the molding around them because they were used to begin with and are starting to look a little rough. The inside was fun to because I had to paint to match all of the newer plastic to the older color red.

[83gt5.0]

Thanks guys for all your comments and advice. I guess I will have to find some of that butyl stuff, and take out the windows and do it again. :(

Hey Zappy, how are you feeling? Were you hurt at all?

[billkandi]

He's right, it's fun and looks good. Mine was a PITA because of the parts chasing. I knew squat about doing the conversion when I started and learned the hard way. I had no trouble with leaks or rattles with the available mounting tabs, didn't have to add more metal. Handy little forums like this weren't available at the time (97). The later model door panel swap was easier but that's another story........

[Matt]

thats good to know, I figured they would need the rest to the studs attached.

[cjwanner2000]

just fyi i'm in the process of restoring the rubber trim on my new windows (they're in the other room w/ the primer drying right now), so i went and counted the bolts, 7 per side.

[85Gt4bbl302]

I want my 85 gt back to the original state it was when it came off the assembly line
in order to do that thoug I need a matching set of the louvred quarter glass
so if anyone needs a set of 87- newer quarter glass i've got a set i want rid of
willing to swap even......

~Dano

[unit175]

Here you see one on a 82 Mustang, It looks very good but personally I like the original setting

http://www.dr-mustang.com/modules/coppermine/albums/mitgliederfahrzeuge/fordmustang79/JJ_82/jj82_11.jpg

http://www.dr-mustang.com/modules/coppermine/albums/mitgliederfahrzeuge/fordmustang79/JJ_82/jj82_08.jpg

http://www.dr-mustang.com/modules/coppermine/albums/mitgliederfahrzeuge/fordmustang79/JJ_82/jj82_09.jpg

[Matt]

nice capri lights. I have a set in the garage that came on the car. when I took the windows I took the rea lights and harness too. The caprii lights are separating so mabey I can take 2 sets and make the capri outer with the lx inner. I need another set of garbage lx lights though

[82caprittops]

gotta love the updates windows......

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/2/web/218000-218999/218958_82_full.jpg

[StangBoy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/Fraggster/100_0517.jpg

[unit175]

50resto has a manual to download, makes it a lot easier

LOOK HERE ---> http://secure.50resto.com/images/downloads/29710.pdf

[Grimace5.0]

^^^ that there is a good guide!

a couple of tips:

For the nuts you have to remove and then reattatch that go thru body, take a small piece of butyl and wad it up and stick it in the socket to hold the nut. That way you don't drop it down in the body.

Butly tape comes in different thicknesses. When I bought my car the quarters were leaking pretty bad. I'm assuming because the guy who owned the car previously took the windows out to tint them. All we had at the shop was 5/16" (I think) butly so I used it thinking it would work fine. Well they still leak a little bit. I just got a set of 87+ quarters today, we have thicker stuff at the shop now so I'm hoping for a leakproof seal this time around. My advice would be to get some that is 3/8" or 7/16". If you go too thick the window will not set in deep enough and look like it's sticking out.

[MIKE82]

wife gave the go ahead on the swap. You can see the drivers side mocked upto test fit and finish.

http://img183.exs.cx/img183/3961/windowfitment4zn.jpg

in this you can see the limits of the stock panel, and the stud you see continues all around the inside of the window. I debating welding in some sheet to make attaching points.
you can use the little sheet metal brackets that were holding in your original windows. just turn them so that they grab the body of the car and this will help pull/keep them flush to the body. the little brackets i'm talking about were the little "bronze" rectangular things with a little angle on the end. i did this swap and my windows sit on the car better than my buddy's car who has a 50,xxx mile 93 lx 5.0 hatch.

[MIKE82]

another thing: the butyl tape can be bought very cheaply at roofing supply stores. here we sell 1"wide x 1/8"thick x 60' long for $8.50. it's the same exact product that windshields are put in with. we sell it for use on metal standing seam roofs. you put this between the metal panels, then screw together and it will never leak. same product, just thought i'd let you guys know.

[tripice351]

Running a search for "quarter window swap" brings up 20 results. Don't forget you'll need roof rail moldings, belt moldings, and outside mirrors to make everything look right.

Also, for those restoring 87+ quarter window alligator'd rubber: try sanding it even, then skinning it with body putty such as Nitro Stan, or with polyurethane bumper repair epoxy, then painting it flat or glossy black (your choice.. ) Then it won't crack from the heat expanding/contracting the rubber. Or you can paint it body color, if you want that Earl Sheib look. :)

[f4fntm]

http://home.comcast.net/~throg/79repaint/qtrwindow1.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~throg/79repaint/bareintqtr.JPG

You can see the little metal "fingers" (gently) holding the glass in place. They're really just there to steady things while the butyl sealant sets. The butyl is doing most of the job of retaining the window - a freakin' gorilla couldn't break that stuff loose once it takes hold. Besides, any real mechanical clamping force on the glass would, of course, crack it.