Just fired up the '86 flat top\E7TE headed motor tonight ...

[anthonydalrymple]

I have a good friend by the name of Chuck freshwater whom owns a '66 Falcon in dire need of a fresh motor. I offered to build him one & install it. We fired it up tonight after about two weeks of hard work......

Nothing special, stock H.O. cam, etc....
http://www.foureyedpride.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=3534
Powdercoared valvecovers, stripped 20 coats of paint off the intake, built a little $40 Holley.....
http://www.foureyedpride.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=3536
'Ol Chuck hisself, his dog "Pugsley", & His '66 Falcon of course....
http://www.foureyedpride.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=3538

P.S. a couple more pic's are in my album; but not many......

[v8only]

damn, tony, you've really outdone yourself this time!!!! absolutely beautiful, stunning!

[Asha'man]

Are those blue turbines on the Falcon? Everything else is outstanding, but UGH those wheels...

Brian

[anthonydalrymple]

Are those blue turbines on the Falcon? Everything else is outstanding, but UGH those wheels...

Brian

LMFAO! I know! But it is his car & he liked them when he spotted them in the junkyard some time ago. He will be getting some other rims soon; he's even grown weary of them......

[5 Liter Mustang]

congrats tony, it looks really clean.

That car is 5-lug right? Is it the same bolt pattern as SN95's? I think it would look good with almost any OEM Wheel 94+ and maybe lowered a tiny bit. He seems like more of an old timer though, and he probably wouldn't like that style.

[JEEPMAN1]

Are those blue turbines on the Falcon? Everything else is outstanding, but UGH those wheels...

Brian

LMFAO! I know! But it is his car & he liked them when he spotted them in the junkyard some time ago. He will be getting some other rims soon; he's even grown weary of them......

Never saw 5 lug turbines!!! Those are the old school dukes of hazzard wheels!!!

[anthonydalrymple]

Never saw 5 lug turbines!!! Those are the old school dukes of hazzard wheels!!!

Dude!!!!!!!! Look at the guy real close!!!!!! He was born roughly when the wheel was invented! Those wheels are probably what was considered "cool" or "in" when he was a younger man......

[twister]

I threw away a set of 5 lug turbines. they are common on LTD's and Crown Vics

[Evil86lx]

Look's good.

How doese that 86 motor run with the E7's. I'm getting ready to do the same thing real soon.

kyle

[anthonydalrymple]

It goes in for a full 2 1\2" exhaust system today, I still have to tune the carb with bigger jets\lighter secondary spring\bigger accel.shooter, etc tonight. Then; I'll finally get to drive it & properly judge my work.

The complications were minor; but here's a good list of 'em.....;)

1)Valves did not clear the factory '86 flat top pistons. I used the stock for '86 H.O cam!!!!! I had to get the pistons flycut to get the minimum .090-.100 required for safe operation. Expect to have to do this if you do not bore it out!!!!!!! Compression should be a very healthy 10.-1 by my "guesstimation".

2)Installing the piston rings properly. The box did not have the proper markings designating the top ring & secondary ring. When I contacted several engine builders; I was misinformed by them on how to install\what side the "dot" on the ring goes; either up or down. This was a simple error; they were used to installing race or moly type rings & therefor what they were saying was true for those type rings. The confusion simply was because I used cast rings which they never use.

3)Using a mech. fuel pump & front sump pan made mounting a dipstick tough. I ended up using an early '80s timing cover(before electric fuel pumps) & drilling a hole in the "boss"(where the dipstick used to go before '79) to install the dipstick. I had to clearance the aluminum alt.\smog pump mounting bracket to give room for the distick as well. It took some creative engineering.....

4) I was using the earlier Duraspark ignition in his early motor. Now, I had to put the appropriate dist. gear for a roller on the non roller distributor. The shaft dia. on the duraspark is roughly 4.5mm & the later EEC dist. is roughlt 5.5mm; so I couldn't just swap the gear from one to the other. I ordered the proper gear from Ford & installed it last night just before firing it up. It did not come with a hole for the roll pin; I had to drill the gear for one!

Other than that; it was a "piece-o-cake!"

[Evil86lx]

Interesting. Why did you have clearance issue's with the E7's when other's have not.

Where the head's milled?

I plan on checking the clearence's but I was under the impression that the E7's will fit fine.

kyle

[anthonydalrymple]

Honestly? i think it's a combination of two factors.....

1) Every engine has manufacturing variances. Ford was +\- 50 thou on head deck thicknesses, 10-30 thou on deck hieght, etc. Add just those two with compressed head gasket thickness variations & you might or might not have the nessissary clearances.

2) Most people whom have said they are "speaking from experience" in reality have NOT built this combo & are just spreading info they have heard or read about somewhere else. This is a common involving the internet & some people just wanting to post\help\say something. It's hard; but I very seriously comptemplate all angles & possibilities before responding to engine\technical questions. In my opinion; it's a great responsibility I take upon myself to try to give the most accurate info possible. Hopefully, "other's" will begin to realize that spouting misinformation only makes them look like morons.....

EDIT: By the way; piston to valve initial clearances were zero on the intake & 49 thou on the exhaust using a used factory Ford\Felpro (39 thou compressed thickness) head gasket.

The heads were just barely surfaced 2-2.5 tho from "untouched" spec.

I'm finding it pretty hard to believe other guy's are getting away with not flycutting the stock pistons for E7TE heads after this motor.....

[Capri50]

no matter what, you have to check p/v clearance.

There are plenty of E7 / stock 86 block combo's out there. It may work ok for some, and not others due to the variances in heads, thickness of head gasket used, how much was milled from the head, etc.

anthony, how are you guessing 10:1 with only 2-3 thou cut? that shouldn't affect the compression.

edit: I have helped a friend install stock E7 heads on his stock 86 motor. The P/V clearance was no problem, and it ran fine w/ nitrous for many miles. so it's definately possible.

[anthonydalrymple]

I'm only guesstimating the increased compression over the stock rated spec. I figured with two minor valve reliefs in the pistons versus the four deep reliefs of the E7 motors was a reduction of about 4-6cc, the pistons were 10 thou outta the hole, & I simply presumed the compression is going to mildly improve above stock '87 compression numbers. I did not actual chamber cc'ing, gasket cc'ing, piston cc'ing, etc..... I simply did not have the equiptment to do so even though I could have & I have cc'd heads before. Time began to become a factor durring the build; he is getting a divorce & put the house up for sale last week... :(

[Evil86lx]

That's what I thought.

I had planned on checking the clrearance's but was hoping they would fit with out touchung the piston's. Otherwise I would have not bought them yet.

If they dont fit I will just have my brother buy a rebuild kit and find a builder roller block.

thank's guy's.

kyle

[85_Capri_4v]

I threw away a set of 5 lug turbines. they are common on LTD's and Crown Vics

His wheels are not Crown Vic / Grand Marquis wheels. They are most likely the old American Racing Huricanes. There were also Huricane 2's the difference was the amount of turbine fins.

Personally I love the turbine wheel look, I also like 10 holes and aluminum slots.

Anyone not wanting their 10 holes and desire to part with them in a fairly close area to me can drop me an email OR PM.

PS I also LOVE Falcons :!:

[v8only]

how did the exhaust turn out tony, and how does it run? how did your races go yesterday?

[anthonydalrymple]

he is kinda procrastinating right now & going in for a nice custom dual exaust tomorrow. I'll stop by tomorrow night, test drive it, & go from there on tuning it.

I ran 12.40's yesterday & 12.30's today at 111.something mph all day long....;) Amazing what you can do with a stock short block 302, bolt on's, & naturally asperated, huh? ;)

Factoring for the 2,710ft elevation only; 11.9899 runs at sea level with my 70 mile a day commuter..... :lol:

[Evil86lx]

he is kinda procrastinating right now & going in for a nice custom dual exaust tomorrow. I'll stop by tomorrow night, test drive it, & go from there on tuning it.

I ran 12.40's yesterday & 12.30's today at 111.something mph all day long....;) Amazing what you can do with a stock short block 302, bolt on's, & naturally asperated, huh? ;)

Factoring for the 2,710ft elevation only; 11.9899 runs at sea level with my 70 mile a day commuter..... :lol:

Their are some people that dont believe that altitude will affect the way a car run's. Seriously I have had several argument's about this subject.

Blah.. They need to come up here and try their tuning at 6k feet and then tell me that altitude has nothing to with it.

kyle

[85_Capri_4v]

What are they nuts? Altitude not effect anything? Well here in NW Pa / NE Ohio it is amazing the difference you get from heat of the day racing to the cool of the night. Basically it would be the same thing but never changing altitude. Cooler temps give more dense air. Iam sure you know this.

Sometimes people will argue over anything :cry:

[Evil86lx]

I tried explaining that but they insisted that you could "tune" your car to run the the same #'s at 6k feet as you would at sea level.

I'm not sure how a "tune" would magically increase the amount of Oxygen particle's in the air.

But whatever. I alway's find it rather funny when sea level peep's come up here and run a full second slower and then complain that their must be something wrong with their car's.

kyle

[85_Capri_4v]

I alway's find it rather funny when sea level peep's come up here and run a full second slower and then complain that their must be something wrong with their car's.

kyle

It's the loose nut behind the wheel

[anthonydalrymple]

I alway's find it rather funny when sea level peep's come up here and run a full second slower and then complain that their must be something wrong with their car's.

kyle

It's the loose nut behind the wheel

Heh, heh.... How true there mate! I'd like to see someone "tune" for high elevation & run the same E.T's & mph as they did at sea level. There's less of a varience with power adder cars; but even they slow down.

I know those E.T's of mine at Palmdale will probably be as good as it gets for me without additional mod's. This summer when it is hitting 100+ at Palmdale; I'll be lucky to run 12.8's durring the day & 12.7's at night....

[Evil86lx]

I alway's find it rather funny when sea level peep's come up here and run a full second slower and then complain that their must be something wrong with their car's.

kyle

It's the loose nut behind the wheel

LOL... you should of seen trying to learn how to launch the SVO for the first time. I must of looked like a totall noob.

On that night I was the loose nut behind the wheel.

kyle

[Evil86lx]

I alway's find it rather funny when sea level peep's come up here and run a full second slower and then complain that their must be something wrong with their car's.

kyle

It's the loose nut behind the wheel

Heh, heh.... How true there mate! I'd like to see someone "tune" for high elevation & run the same E.T's & mph as they did at sea level. There's less of a varience with power adder cars; but even they slow down.

I know those E.T's of mine at Palmdale will probably be as good as it gets for me without additional mod's. This summer when it is hitting 100+ at Palmdale; I'll be lucky to run 12.8's durring the day & 12.7's at night....

I know the feeling.

I'm originally from the Iowa/Nebraska area and I used to run my 87 GT a Scribner motorplex in Scribner Nebraska.

The car ran 14.8's all day long with flow's and a K/N.
My first ever pass at Bandimere netted a 16.0 at like 88 mph. Man was I surprised.

If you can run 11.5 and faster up here you are the shiznit.

That's one of the many sacrifice's one must pay to live in lovely colorado.

kyle

[anthonydalrymple]

I threw away a set of 5 lug turbines. they are common on LTD's and Crown Vics

His wheels are not Crown Vic / Grand Marquis wheels. They are most likely the old American Racing Huricanes.

Just for the record..... The wheels were aquired when I :drum roll please!:
grabbed the entire front disc brake set-up from a '78 V8 Ford Granada 'cause it was still a 4 wheel drum brake Falcon!;)

Just for the record.... When I met Chuck & first saw the Falcon in the garage; it was not in operating condition. I've converted it to disc brakes, built a fresh motor for it, converted it to electronic ignition, upgraded the ignition ststem, etc. It's been a fun project for me to keep in touch with my "roots"..... I started wrenching loooooooong before fuel injection was a feasable\trouble free & common standard option.....;)

[85_Capri_4v]

Just for the record..... The wheels were aquired when I :drum roll please!:
grabbed the entire front disc brake set-up from a '78 V8 Ford Granada 'cause it was still a 4 wheel drum brake Falcon!;)



That makes sence and explains why there is a small center cap.

[Dugzy33]

should'nt you just spring for the new pistons?

New pistons = relatively cheap
pistons impailed by valves = expensive

I mean, you cant cut the pistons while they are in the block can you?
If they are comming out anyway...?

[anthonydalrymple]

should'nt you just spring for the new pistons?

New pistons = relatively cheap
pistons impailed by valves = expensive

I mean, you cant cut the pistons while they are in the block can you?
If they are comming out anyway...?

The idea of this motor build up was to keep it under $1500 clams for the whole build. Keep in mind that this means everything from new hoses, waterpump, belts, flexplate, machining, core motor, etc. Since the usual costs involved are twice what you estimated the job to be.... It was gonna have to tighten the belt until I litterally puked!

Truth be told though guy's; I'd heard many many many... maaaaaaany testimonials that this combination would not have any piston to valve clearance issues as long as the stock cam was used. In this case it couldn't have been farther from the truth. I was not expecting this little obstical & time was short. Fortunately, a guy lived near by whom goes by the handle of "Kato engineering" on the "Corral", just so happens to machines pistons quite regularly. he had a piston fixture, a Bridgeport, & knew what he was doing. My schedule was only set back two days & we got to keep a good set of forged pistons in the motor. If time had not been a factor? I would have just run down to TMD, picked up a moderately priced set of Keith Black pistons, & rehoned the block (if nessissary) to match the cylinder bore clearance needs.

[fordfreak300]

ahhh hgood ol kato, he has given me tons of advice and it is always right on. h eis one of those peeps ythat if he says something it is right and he has done it him self. Onn yeah you shold see his car :)

[LTDScott]

Are those blue turbines on the Falcon? Everything else is outstanding, but UGH those wheels...

Brian

They look like 70s Granada wheels.

http://transgender.coolfreepages.com/granada/images/publicity-5.jpg

http://transgender.coolfreepages.com/granada/images/publicity-2.jpg

[LTDScott]

haha I'm retarded, I didn't see this thread had a second page where the wheels were mentioned. At least I was right!

[v8only]

ford freak, mark, how the hell have ;you been!!!! haVEn't seen you in what seems a decade, hiding eh?

[Evil86lx]

haha I'm retarded, I didn't see this thread had a second page where the wheels were mentioned. At least I was right!

LOL. I do that all the time.

kyle

[anthonydalrymple]

ford freak, mark, how the hell have ;you been!!!! haVEn't seen you in what seems a decade, hiding eh?

No suprise here; I've been in contact with him for the last couple weeks. He's been keeping a low profile while he gets certain obsticals in life sorted out. i invited him over Sat. for a good round of B.S. & carb building fun...;)

[v8only]

give me a call tonight Tony so we can talk about that.

[fordfreak300]

yeah i have just ben playing low. It is the stressful time of my dealings. I go back friday yet again and i will find out more of what is to come. I also have been job hunting like mad. I also will be moving again sometime this month. Lot sof crazy little things to fill you in on. I'll do that on person though.

[v8only]

looks like this saturday is on. I'll be up early early, early, so pm me your # mark, and I'll call u wit a time

[fordfreak300]

I saw the time ont eh other thread. I thougth I gave you my number already but I wi ll give it to you again in PM.