proper burnout execution......

[joelliott]

Just thought I see how you guys lite up your tires. Curious as to different methods etc to get'em smokin. Also wanna make sure Im not hurtin anything too bad messin around like that... :roll:
Later.
Joe E.

[JEEPMAN1]

If you are running slicks you do the burnout until just after they smoke,you are getting them hot but the most important thing is getting slicks clean.long burnouts just destroy slicks.if you need to do a long burmnout on slicks to hook they are junk and you need new ones.

BFG drag radial and Nitto drag radials need some heat.If I am running mt drag radial at the track I run 15 LBS of air and do a decent burnout.


If you run a regular street tire you just roll through the box give it a spin to get the water off them and stage.A burnout in a regular street tire is a waste of time.These tires are made to grab the way they are.I argue it all the time.I pulled a 1.81 60FT. in a 11 sec. car on my cobra r's with 245/45 potenza with no burnout.

After all the years at the track that is what will work best.I drive hard also and had many broken parts so be careful with slicks and a stock trans and rear! GT350R and Better -days have seen me drive ask them!!

[BetterDays]

After all the years at the track that is what will work best.I drive hard also and had many broken parts so be careful with slicks and a stock trans and rear! GT350R and Better -days have seen me drive ask them!!

I have seen him run 16's at FFW.. :lol:

But, in the videos that I have seen, he knows how to drive (and break stuff).....

[JEEPMAN1]

Yeah... vaporlock sucks!! The car normally goes 11's

[795.0pacecar]

I dont drive through the box at all with street tires, I drive around, you cant spin the water out of the front tires and they drag water all over the track. I hate when rookies drive through the burnout box.

[jazzcat2001]

go around the water box on street tires and do a short burnout to get any water that happens to get on your tires off...if you have drag radials roll through and stop right before the end of the water...roast them and pull forward slowly..when you can see anything behind you they are warm

[BetterDays]

I dont drive through the box at all with street tires, I drive around, you cant spin the water out of the front tires and they drag water all over the track. I hate when rookies drive through the burnout box.

I understand this to a point. BUT, look how many FAST cars roll through the water and don't have traction issues.... I don't see THAT much water coming up to line... Most tracks don't have a waterbox, but more of a wet-box. I have been to one track that normally has about an inch of water in the box...

Also, try to launch from the shiny parts of the lane... Don't believe me? Walk around that area.. Shiny is good.. Why launch where everyone does, when you can launch on fresh VHT.

[795.0pacecar]

You'd be supprised how much water gets on the track, I was up right after someone on street tires just rolled through the box (almong many others who had done the same thing), and I spun the tires so bad it was almost like driving after it rains, there were a bunch of racers complaining that their slicks wouldn't hook up because of the water on the track. Next time you drive through a puddle on a mostly dry road look how far your water tracks stretch.

[BetterDays]

Puddle v. wet concrete = big difference...

It all depends on the track and the cars/drivers...

I rarely see a lot of water at the line at Norwalk.. The water is normally at the line due to burnouts IN the water (Especially FWD Cars). No matter what, do not due a burnout IN the water.. lightly spin the tires in the water to clean them and then do the burnout...

[795.0pacecar]

The water at silver dollar and the atlanta dragway are both always at least 1/2" deap. water vs. wet concreat = not a bid difference, wet pavement is wet pavement, yor tires are going to spin just the same.

[JEEPMAN1]

I dont drive through the box at all with street tires, I drive around, you cant spin the water out of the front tires and they drag water all over the track. I hate when rookies drive through the burnout box.

So all the pro mod cars that drive through the burnout box are rookies right?? I have never had a traction issue with the proper burnout. I have never seen water at the starting line either,have you ever seen how hot the pavement is on a 80% day??? I also must be a rookie :roll:

[Mike Croke]

:D :D :D

http://www.foureyedpride.com/caprirs/capri/capripics/burnout2.jpg

[joelliott]

Wow, what a pict. I love that damn car...... Capris are just Bad Azz.

Thanks for the tips guys. I have been a pickup driver for years. This is my first stang or sports car. I can drive all day in the mud or sand, but Im still tryin to get the off the line zip many of you do easliy. I also try not to fry my clutch! :lol:
Anyways, thanks for the info...
Joe E.

[BetterDays]

Top Fuel - through the water and down track...
Funny Car - through the water and down track...
Pro Stock - through the water and down track...

And when they spin off the launch, it is normally due to clutch issues, not water at the line....

[JEEPMAN1]

This is about how much smoke you need for good slicks to hook.http://www.foureyedpride.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=2863

[BRUNO]

Jeepman, that all depends on the car!!!! You seem to have alot of knowledge in the subject, but we all know every car needs to be driven a little different.

But as for driving around the water, don't waste your time.
If that little bit of water is causing wheelspin like was mentioned, buy better tires.

It's like that same old problem thats been happening for years, this person had a bad experience with a certain product (tires, suspension, or anything for that matter) and they go out and tell everyone it's junk.

Or this guy couldn't hook at the track, and he blames it on everything but what the problem really is.

If your having traction isssues, fix your car.
If those tires don't hook on your car, buy different tires.
If that part doesn't perform like you thought it would, try something different.

Just cause you didn't have good luck with it don't mean it isn't good.

I had traction issues bigger than hell with BFG drag radials, but chuckles pulled 1.64's on the same tires on his car.

It all comes down to car!!!!!

[795.0pacecar]

Street tires normally have alot more tread on them and are much wider than skinnys on drag cars, how can you compare the water holding abilitys of the 2, its insane. Driving through the water is a disservice to other racers because you ARE dragging water on the track, the only real race cars I have seen drive through the water are dragsters and such which do a huge burn out which would burn off any water anyway. All of the weekend racers with slicks normally drive around then back into the waterbox.

And the reference to my tires being bad and me blameing other people, this is simply untrue since whenever I go to silver dollar I have pretty good traction, its only the more well known tracks like the atlanta dragway where kids drive through the box and I dont get traction because of the water on the track. I get very good traction on the street too, its not my tires or my suspension. You guys act like driving through a puddle could not possibly drag water on the track, use simple logic and realize that it can, and it is also very possible that it will cause wheel spin.

[86_capri_50Flow]

I try to stay out of the box on street radials, I do a small burnout before staging just to get the tires warmed up, I pulled a 13.7 on radials all motor and it seemed to work best for me. I need to invest in a pair of slicks, then I could probably do 12's, I'm kind of new at the whole drag racing thing so don't take my words too seriously, i'm only 19, but that is what works best for me.

[JEEPMAN1]

Street tires normally have alot more tread on them and are much wider than skinnys on drag cars, how can you compare the water holding abilitys of the 2, its insane. Driving through the water is a disservice to other racers because you ARE dragging water on the track, the only real race cars I have seen drive through the water are dragsters and such which do a huge burn out which would burn off any water anyway. All of the weekend racers with slicks normally drive around then back into the waterbox.

And the reference to my tires being bad and me blameing other people, this is simply untrue since whenever I go to silver dollar I have pretty good traction, its only the more well known tracks like the atlanta dragway where kids drive through the box and I dont get traction because of the water on the track. I get very good traction on the street too, its not my tires or my suspension. You guys act like driving through a puddle could not possibly drag water on the track, use simple logic and realize that it can, and it is also very possible that it will cause wheel spin.

I am sure there are more than dragsters going through the water without traction issues.The I am just making a deal of this because you stated only ametures do this,if thats true my dads body shop has a 6.30 pro mod car and drives through the water.I am sure they are ametures. Whats you professional car run?

[BRUNO]

795.0pacecar I wasn't talking about you, I was making a statement in general.

[BRUNO]

Oh but if driving through the water caused others to have traction problems, don't you think they would have made a rule against it by now?
These tracks are awfully worried about keeping the tracks clean and making them safe. If every person who drives through the water were causing a problem don't you think they would have put a stop to it!!!!!!
I go to norwalk raceway park and that track is very concerned with the track prep and condition, and I very rarely see anyone drive around the water, and as many people know, norwalk is known for how good the track is for bite.

[JEEPMAN1]

Oh but if driving through the water caused others to have traction problems, don't you think they would have made a rule against it by now?
These tracks are awfully worried about keeping the tracks clean and making them safe. If every person who drives through the water were causing a problem don't you think they would have put a stop to it!!!!!!
I go to norwalk raceway park and that track is very concerned with the track prep and condition, and I very rarely see anyone drive around the water, and as many people know, norwalk is known for how good the track is for bite.

agreed.

[BetterDays]

I try to stay out of the box on street radials, I do a small burnout before staging just to get the tires warmed up, I pulled a 13.7 on radials all motor and it seemed to work best for me. I need to invest in a pair of slicks, then I could probably do 12's, I'm kind of new at the whole drag racing thing so don't take my words too seriously, i'm only 19, but that is what works best for me.

When did you run 12.70 @ 110MPH?
406HP should be more than 12.70's....

[86_capri_50Flow]

When did you run 12.70 @ 110MPH?
406HP should be more than 12.70's....

The previous owner gave me his times so I knew the car could run that. Now the time thing i'm not sure about it could have been a non nitrous pass.

[BRUNO]

With 406 rwhp it should be a hell of alot faster than that.
Or the dyno was broke that day.

[JEEPMAN1]

406 at the rear wheels should be like a 120 MPH car in the 1/4!!

[795.0pacecar]

When 100 or more passes are made at a track with people driving through the water how can you not believe that water would be an issue on the track. When I stated that only ametures drive through the water box I was talking about the people who bring their daily drivers and it may or may not be their first time and they drive through the water, I was not talking about professionals, and I've been over why they wouldn't drag as much is any water onto the track. When I go to silver dollar I dont normally see more than 1 or 2 people drive through the water but at the atlanta dragway I see lots of people drive through it because that is a much more popular track and I would assume that more kids/people that have never raced before go there, especially since its an easier track to get to, and I have only had traction issues at the atlanta dragway even though silver dollar is notorious for being a somewhat slick track. This is one of the reasons other than logic that leads me to believe that water may play a roll in traction when hundreds of people drive through a huge puddle then drive 25 feet more to the tree. This is the first time I have ever heard anyone say that water on the track isn't a big deal in traction, and trust me, I go to the track alot and hang out with alot of people with fast cars who also go to the track alot.

[JEEPMAN1]

I also hang out with peaple who have cars that run from 15 sec cars to 6 sec cars and none of them drive around the water.I have a 11 sec car myself and never had a problem.

[Evil86lx]

Skinny, biased plyed tire's, like all of the front runner's out their will bring little to no water out of the box..

OPur track employee's will heat/dry the water that that occasionally get drug up to the starting line. It's usually the frontdriver's that do big burnout's with street tire's that drang/sling the water up to the starting line.

Most of the guy's that I know that are running Drag radial's dont use the waterbox. They seem to be getting their best result's from dry burn out's.

kyle

[BetterDays]

I also hang out with peaple who have cars that run from 15 sec cars to 6 sec cars and none of them drive around the water.I have a 11 sec car myself and never had a problem.

Tim, the word is spelled people, not peaple...

As far as driving through the water box or not, it ~sometimes~ can be used as an excuse. In this area, more people have traction issues at 42 than Norwalk. At 42, you have to back into the waterbox.....

This is another thread that turns into a urinating match... maybe some people have had bad experiences with water at the line. Blame the track officials, not the drivers.... Maybe we are spoiled with NRP and their track crew...

[JEEPMAN1]

Hows dis??? PEEPLE!! I have not been thinking too well lately!! :roll:

[twister]

Top Fuel - through the water and down track...
Funny Car - through the water and down track...
Pro Stock - through the water and down track...

And when they spin off the launch, it is normally due to clutch issues, not water at the line....correct, but do not get street tires wet!

[fordfreak300]

next time you gys drive through the water box and do a burn out pull up to the line and open yur door and look at the water. For regular street radials drive aroudn teh water box and do 2-3 rotaions on the tires only, this is to clean them off. If you heat them excessively you bring the oils in their comound to the surface thus making yru traction poorer. Street radials are designed for best traction when not at high heats. I actualyl drag race on road race tires. I do a quick burnout but they are designed to have some heat in them to be sticky. I do a 3-4 sec burnout for my first run then after that I do a quikey burnout to clean them off and put a hair more heat into them on the runs followin the first run.

[BRUNO]

Like I said earlier, it all depends on the car!!!!!
But as for not going through the water with street tires or drag radials, that is an opinion, I have personally ran a 1.91 60' on a set of junk 195/70/14's in a friends 83 mustang, and I went through the water, my other friends 98 cobra has went 1.67 60' on nittos going through the water (and heating the crap out of them), and Chuckle's firebird ran a 1.64 60' with BFG drag radials going through the water and heating the crap out of them. Now like I said everyone does things a little different, it all depends on what works for your set up. Just cause that may have worked for you, don't mean it will work for everyone!!!!!

[BetterDays]

Fark it.

Put the back tires in the water, tach it up, dump the clutch and hit the brake.

Hold it at 5500..

Watch the smoke...

Wait until the official asks you to move forward...

Count to 5.

Then pull forward... then reverse and do it again...

[BetterDays]

Fark it.

Put the back tires in the water, tach it up, dump the clutch and hit the brake.

Hold it at 5500..

Watch the smoke...

Wait until the official asks you to move forward...

Count to 5.

Then pull forward... then reverse and do it again...

[slickshift]

BetterDays,
You sound a little buzzed-
You been drinkin'?
...At work?

[BetterDays]

BetterDays,
You sound a little buzzed-
You been drinkin'?
...At work?

yes, but after work.

Company money made me this way..

~~I even had the GF come pick me up, so no DUI for me~~

I earned a new nickname - Capt. Morgan.

[slickshift]

Aye aye Cap'n'!

[BetterDays]

The salesman that picked up the tab asked if I was driving...

Every third to fourth drink was mine... in a party of 8.....

They headed to the "female ballet" :lol: , but I opted not to spend money on something I could not have...

4:30A is going to hit like a brick (11:20P now)

[slickshift]

G'night BD