modular four eye car?

[jazzcat2001]

soon as i get a daily driver i am wanting to find a 4V motor to put in my car...is there anywhere other than modularfox.com that can help with everything? thanks in advance

[underdogGT]

www.modularfox.com

[mfpmax]

haha, OTHER than ModularFox :D

Problem is, thats pretty much THE resource.

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=30
This is one place...BUT...a few of the ModularFox guys hang here and post their stuff from their own forum...so yeah, like above, I think you're pretty much left to ModularFox.

[jazzcat2001]

alright thats what i thought...i am already registered over there and just been doing research on it...should be a big pain in the ass but worth it in the end

[mfpmax]

From the looks of it, the wiring and fuel system seem to be the only big parts...

[Ricky C]

Wiring should be easy, remove old harness, seperate engine control wires from teh chassis harness, install new harness :)

[mfpmax]

Wiring should be easy, remove old harness, seperate engine control wires from teh chassis harness, install new harness :)

Of course Painless wiring proably has a harness for such an application too.

[jazzcat2001]

im going to find a car that is totalled out..take everything i can from it(gas tank bolts right up with some modifying of the fuel tank filler) and order a tubular k member specific for the application...then its manual rack and manual brakes and it comes out on weekends 8)

[jazzcat2001]

the only real problem is the PATS system which i will bypass with some dyno tune action 8)

[mfpmax]

Find a cheap or wrecked Lincoln Mark 8 and you're in business...heck, there was one in Autotrader for $1100, was used in a porn flick(was a running joke last week), but it ran...just wouldn't wanna drive it.

[debo85lx]

Wiring... man, DIY! My buddy is an electrical engineer, and we're going to use aircraft grade molex connectors (like what is used for power connectors in computers, but with 30+ connections instead of 4), and use those connectors every 6-10 feet - that way if we ever run into an electrical problem, we can diagnose fast and easy, and then replacement is a snap. It will take quite a while, but SO worth it in the end.

No more $150+ wiring harness swaps :evil:

[madmike8]

I'm in the process of building my harness for my Megasquirt EFI... I'll be using SXL wire and Weatherpack Connectors to handle the underhood enviroment...

[jazzcat2001]

no aftermarket wiring harnesses here...im going to use as much of the original stuff as i can and splice in whatever i need to have daily stuff work like headlights and brake lights and things of that sort..the fuel wiring and everything like that will all come from the main harness from the car i get for a donor....AJE is supposed to contact me back about my k member before the week is up...still looking for a job and soon as i get a truck of some form its game on :twisted: might end up using the turbo for the fiance's coupe in other ways :twisted: then again who knows

[f4fntm]

You guys are intrepid! That swap sounds like a slick, cool, awesome migraine! :lol: I gotta go check out that modular Fox website.

Just curious, though: is there any reason to do this besides the "wow" factor? I mean, working up a similarly powerful 5.0 would be relatively cheap and easy, right? :?:

[mfpmax]

You guys are intrepid! That swap sounds like a slick, cool, awesome migraine! :lol: I gotta go check out that modular Fox website.

Just curious, though: is there any reason to do this besides the "wow" factor? I mean, working up a similarly powerful 5.0 would be relatively cheap and easy, right? :?:

Nope, no reason...well unless you want to put an 03 Cobra engine in there...throw on a KB...a tiny pulley, and run 93 octane and run 9s all day or something. 8)

[debo85lx]

There are plenty of reasons why one would want a modular motor (4V, at least) in their Fox. The things I can think of offhand are:
1. Wow factor (it looks killer)
2. High revving from the factory
3. The 4V block can handle insane amounts of abuse. If I recall, switching the connecting rods and pistons over to forged & H-beams can take the block to about 750-800 horsies.
4. 4V motors love the boost like a p0rn star loves sex.

The OHC motors aren't particularly known for their abundant amounts of torque, but you slap a turbo on a Cobra and you've got insane torque from about 2500 to redline, and the horsepower to match.

[f4fntm]

I just checked out the website. Wow, those four-cam motors look tough! :D

[jazzcat2001]

im just doing it for pretty much the wow factor and to say that i have a 4 eye cobra :twisted: i dunno i wanted something different and i already know of a twin turbo 7.4 thats being built right now and there are plenty of 5.8 strokers out there...this was as different as it gets..ill keep everyone posted as i get info

[jazzcat2001]

i also want something that i can rev out to 7K with no problems...i have a small turbo that might find its way onto this car but if it doesn't hey ive got a fuel injected 4V car and thats just fine for me

[debo85lx]

Ditch the small turbo and go with a T76 :D

And don't forget the upgraded brakes & parachute :lol:

[jazzcat2001]

already have the small turbo...upgrading to full v8 suspension soon as warmer weather hits..ill have pics showing the current state of the car tomorrow when the suns out :cry: i hate snow

[jazzcat2001]

link wouldn't work this one can be killed

[f4fntm]

want something that i can rev out to 7K with no problemsWell, the 302 will easily do that, but I'm perfectly willing to accept pure "wow" factor as your sole rationale! Reminds me of seeing one of those cammer 427s in a classic Stang... the visual impact of those valve covers is not to be matched by any pushrod motor, with the possible exception of a hemi. :D

[gtluke]

there is a mod motor 86 svo rolling arround in florida. runs 9's on et streets.
you can't even tell the damn thing has twin turbo's on it :) they are down next to the transmission.

[mfpmax]

there is a mod motor 86 svo rolling arround in florida. runs 9's on et streets.
you can't even tell the damn thing has twin turbo's on it :) they are down next to the transmission.

http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/m/lmitch81/ttsvo.jpg

[MHISSTC]

Take some time to drool over this tasty modular treat.

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/429188

[v8only]

I hear this happening more and more often, and even saw a mod aero fox at the knotts ford festival last april.

To tell you the truth, I am HONESTLY curious as to why people are doing this.

(besides the boost factor as mentioned above)

I LOVE technology, and wanted the 4.6 to be the next 5.0 in a real bad way, but it's not, it'll likely never be legendary, and from what I understand, can't take near as much abuse as a 5.0.

I hear that the aftermarket bolt ons cost an arm and a leg (heads, intake etc) and that they have problems working correctly with the obd2 anyhow, and just about all you can do cheaply is to boost it and leave it at that.

What happens if someone wanted to build a n/a 400 + horse mod motor?? How attainable is this on the average mans 9-5 job??

Lastly, is this motor finally coming around and becoming the "next 5.0" in terms of modability??

This is probably a stupid idea, but has anyone thrown a huge carburator on top of one yet??

Just a billion questions because I have never owned an sn95, but know I will have to one of these days

[MHISSTC]

I like the idea of mod motors because new technology is always cool and because one can get a substancial amout of power in additon to better emissions. I hate how it takes U.S. car makers a decade or longer to catch up to technology that has been in place elsewhere in the world. Look at how long cars in Europe have been using overhead cams, dual overhead cams, and fuel injection.

I think one of the driving forces has been fuel prices in Europe...better engine efficency is a must when gas is several dollars a gallon. Better emissions is just a side benefit of more efficient engines. Also, I think the U.S. car makers tend to wait until a technology is fully developed in their eyes before incorporating it in their production vehicles because the American buyer and bottom line ($$) demands better reliability and cheap production costs.

Doh, not too long ago I did hear of someone putting a carb on top of a mod motor. I can't remember where though. I guess it's time for another obsessive web search!

[gtluke]

http://bellsouthpwp.net/l/m/lmitch81/ttsvo.jpg


that would be it!
what a sleeper
sorta

[debo85lx]

want something that i can rev out to 7K with no problems
Well, the 302 will easily do that, but I'm perfectly willing to accept pure "wow" factor as your sole rationale!

The 302 can rev to 7k, and it may be as easy as ordering parts and putting them in - but it's surely not cheap. You're looking at a completely upgraded bottom end to handle the stress of such high rpms, as well as a new cam to increase the power band and, finally, the top end to match the cam :) If you've ever seen a dyno graph of a stock 5.0L motor (and I'm sure you have), you'll notice that power drops off well before 6k. So, rather, getting it to rev to 7k may be easy - but getting it to make power all the way up to 7k is the difficult part. </soapbox> My experience with this comes from extensive research of building a 331 that would turn 8k, because DAMN that would rule.

I like the idea of mod motors because new technology is always cool and because one can get a substancial amout of power in additon to better emissions.

I agree about the better power and emissions - however, the same power can be had of a pushrod motor, as well as emissions. The pushrods are just weaker from the factory (if we're comparing a 5.0 to a 4.6 solely), and therefore require much more pampering before pushing 7-800 horses. As for the emissions, it's all in the tune. With the proper gear, you could easily make a 5.0L spit out as little, or less, emissions than a 4.6L.

And, IIRC, modmustangs.com had a post just the other day with a pic of a DOHC with a carb setup. I'd love to go carbed and do away with all that wiring, but if I ever get to build my motor it's going to have to be SpeedPro (I just love to tinker waaaaaay too much). :D

Me, personally, I don't think I'd ever waste the time/energy/money to throw a mod motor into a car unless I had a "spare" Cobra motor, a reputable engine guy to swap out the con rods & pistons, o-ring it, etc. Otherwise, I'd rather spend the dough on a built pushrod.

... And I'm spent. :lol:

[jazzcat2001]

the wow factor would just be amazing...sure you see a 86 coupe pull into a car show or cruise and pop the hood...out of curiousity you go look underneath and holy ****@! there is a 4V under there...i know its going to be a huge pain in the ass but i feel that it is going to be worth it..if i do all this work and the damn thing only runs 13s i wont care at all..im in for looks and reliability..i was told that running any injected motor would be a huge PITA so i figure if im going to go why not go all out

[debo85lx]

Running an injected motor doesn't have to be a PITA... but yeah, converting from carb to FI usually ends up being so :?

The best part, IMO, about being a Mustang owner is that there are so many different ways to mod it. Enjoy your conversion (I mean that, seriously), because when it's done it will make it all that much better. And be sure to keep us all updated! Pics would be good too :D

[f4fntm]

The best part, IMO, about being a Mustang owner is that there are so many different ways to mod it
Word - the Fox Mustang must be one of history's most moddable and modded cars ever. The volume of knowledge compiled and aftermarket parts available is staggering. Nice that Ford built so many of 'em, so plenty to go around! :D

[jazzcat2001]

yea too bad the modular market hasn't had the responce as the 5.0 8O oh well..its just great that swaps like this are possible

[debo85lx]

For those who read MM&FF... I got a chuckle from their "new parts" pages... FINALLY, an aftermarket non-race oriented (read: box upper) intake for the SOHC motor... adds a whopping ~17hp for a mere $1300.

Or, $1000 if you already have aftermarket fuel rails.

Yup, I'll stick with the pushrod for a while ;)

[jazzcat2001]

im actually looking into a carb set up for a 4V...make it alot easyer of a swap..there is a pretty trick distributor set up as well..not sure if i posted the pic of that but it comes out of the valve cover :twisted:

[mfpmax]

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5280

Not a 4.6 intake, but its something like what you'd want.

[jazzcat2001]

yea i think im just going to have to fight the computer and go injected

[Daymeon]

Everybody knows the 5.0 has made history with Ford. Chevy's 5.0 (trash 305) never made it. My first 5.0 experience was in my late cousin's 1986 GT. It is red with a tan interior, sunroof and an AOD. He came by my house in the fall of 1986 with his brand new Four eye (Sticker was still in the window). He told me to hop in (Boy was I a virgin to torque and speed)
and that did it for me. My god, the torque and rush was more than what I felt in my neighbor's Bandit Trans Am. I was hooked that day!

Looky here! http://www.powerheads.com and various others (I will post others tomorrow being that I left the other info in my truck and it is really raining right now) are producing 5.0 mod motors. Yeah, stroked 4.6s in either one or two cams! You can get the crank and piston kits, short blocks or entire engine! Get one and put it in your FOX! I would love to put one in my 1980 F-100. Ford Racing Performance Parts (FRPP) is selling a 5.0 MOD short block as well as Livernois and Sean Hyland motorsports. DSS and Coast High Performance are also on the band wagon. Praise the Ford!

[debo85lx]

Jazzcat,

You don't have to fight the computer. Use the stock EEC processor, but then go with one of the aftermarket add-ons (twEECer, or something of that nature) - they run on a computer, and from what I hear they are REALLY simple to work with. It's not like going with a SpeedPRO setup (where it replaces the factory computer), so it's much easier to work with.

[28]

Hi guys,I'm a roody-poo noob here on the sight.Just looking over the posts everyone has made and alot of good points were brought up.I,as a matter of fact,just sold my 96 Cobra.I loved the damn thing.The high end rush you get out of a 4 Valver is unbelieveable.And,the aftermarket IS coming around.Exhaust,bolt-ons,and other small add-ons are popping up left and right.The thing that is mostly brought up is the heads and intake.."Why are there not any being produced by the aftermarket?"..Well,the fact is that they perform absolutely flawlessly.The flow that is to be had on a 4 valve is amazing.Only thing to improve it is to have them port and polished.The Aluminum blocks are also well documented to withstand up to 1,000hp.That's a fact.I've noticed alot of ppl praising Ford for the iron block in the 03's.Don't be fooled,the iron block was brought in for cost cutting mand making the 03 an affordable working man's muscle car;which in my book is very respectable.The only weakness to these motors are the weak Hypreutectic rods and pistons.For about a grand,these can be solved.The fact that these engines,with the forged internals,can put up upwards to 500 rwhp with a properly set up turbo or blower is awesome.And all without even having to remove the stock heads..Now that to me is pretty amazing.I love all Mustangs,but my true love has always been the 4 eyed 5 liter ponies.Just the look and feel of these little muscle cars has just not been matched again by any other American auto maker.And like everyone has said.You can do and mod a 5 liter any friggin way you want..And I do love spending time fiddling with my toys...Good luck on the project and like someone else posted...Enjoy.. :)

[debo85lx]

28! Off the subject here... but don't you just love the 99/00 GT rims on the Fox?! I had them on my 90 GT vert... lots of compliments. I wished they were the polished set (like the anny editions), but at $200 for all 4 wheels I couldn't really pass up the offer ;)

And whilst I agree with your post about the 4V motors... the 2Vs aren't quite as fortunate. I did, however, realize that my post about aftermarket intakes for the 2V motors was incorrect... there are a couple others out there (I believe Reichard Racing is one of the companies that makes a "box" upper to mate with the stock lower) - they are all still $1k plus...

Honest truth... if money was no object, I'd be on a T76'd 4V like stink on s#it... but until I can convince Paris Hilton that I need to be her man slave, I'm stuck (in the best sense of the word) with a 5.x :lol:

Off the subject (again - my bad), my Cox rep just called and said I could throw down a 4 meg pipe for only $59 a month... too bad it's still only 384k up with blocked ports :cry: